is this a good metal setup?

derrylahan

ok so i have started a metal band and i've been saving up (not there yet).
i own a cheap sx guitar and just a practice amp (roland cube 15) and i'm looking to upgrade for the band.

i have tried a good few guitars around but i couldnt find my perfect 'tone' or 'sound',
so i was in waltons and i was looking for a digitech metal master and he told me to go down to 'instrumental' along the quays which i never heard of before (i'm from cavan, nuf said),
first thing i see is a bc rich 'kerry king wartribe 1' which i was goin to get my uncle from america to bring over cause my local dealer doesnt do bc rich.

so i asked to try it and the guy hooked it up into a line6 spiderII amp,
which i read about in some total guitar mag, and have listen to the amp types on there site, and i wanted to give it a go

as soon i played it i was immediately impress, it was to tone i have been looking for,

so i'm thinkin of buying the bc rich and the spiderII amp, but i think i'll put a pair of emg pick ups into the guitar cause my 2 fav guitars play with them (kerry king, mick thompson)

so what do yas think of this for a setup:
bc rich 'kerry king wartribe 1' with emg 81/85 pick-ups
fed into a line 6 spiderII amp

let me know wat yas think

Jetpilot

For metal you cant really beat the 81/85 combo in my opinion, fantastic sounding! Havnt heard too much bout the wartribe 1, but I'd be more inclined to spend slightly more and get one of the higher series BC Riches (afaik the wartribe 1 is a low end BC rich with a custom paintjob, but I might be wrong). The spider II is a nice amp, I really dug the clean tone, but the distortion didnt do much for me, nothing a tube screamer cant fix though!

It wasn't me!

The amp will do grand if you hook it up with a tubescreamer and maybe a nice Digitech or Boss distortion pedal if you want a really nice heavy crunch. I really advise against lower range BC Riches though. The extra money is well worth it for a good one. Or you could try out some Ibanez's or Jackson's. Try experimenting with the rig you're going to use rather than just the guitar and amp. Bring your pedals to the guitar shop. I'd say judging by your information, an Ibanez IC200 or IC300 would be well worth a lool-in for you. They have an IC200 in Musician Inc for, I think but I'm not 100% sure, Eu700 or thereabouts. Failing that. try an Ibanez SZ520 for the same price. Also look at a Jackson Rhoads (An older one, the new ones aren't nearly as good) or a Dinky. What kind of budget are you on. Are you looking to buy an amp big enough to gig with? The spiderII 212 would be the best of the range for volume. If you have a bit more money you might want to try a Line6 VettaIII. For the shred stuff though, I'd seriously push the Ibanez name. You don't get to be the favourites of Joe Satriani, Steve Vai and Paul Gilbert without having something special. The RG line would be the best for shred but to get your money's worth you really have to shell out (Eu1500 plus). Best guitar going for shred stuff though.

derrylahan

well i'm going up to dublin 2mrw and i'm only going to buy a guitar and pick ups
i really cant see me buying a ibanez because i need a guitar of trash metal standard
i dont have a big budget (800eu inc pickups(, but i suppose it wouldnt hurt to try ouy a few jacksons before i make the final decision,
in my post i never said that i wanted to shred on it,
but weird enough i've been looking for a good teacher to teach me how to shred with no luck,
i didnt know that for shredding there a are better guitars then others
how is that?

so far the wartribe is the favorite to be bought considering my budget,

let yas know 2mrw

Jetpilot

I always found ibanez's best for shredding, due to the tremole being very flat making it very comfortable for my right hand to rest on. With your budget you should really be aiming higher than the wartribe 1, as the emgs will only cost you €200 you could spend the rest on say The Beauty . Im not even a big BC Rich fan and I still think that is sexy! Plus the speedloader is fantastic! Totally blows the wartribe 1 out of the water! Or even check out the platinum pro series! They would be a better long term investment imo.

ferdi

heard a guy playing one of these yesterday, fuppin excellent it was

Karl Hungus

As was mentioned, the EMG 81/85 combo.
T'was recommended to me, and I am exhuberantly happy with the set up.

I also swear by BC Rich guitars, but I'm not mad on the overly spikey designs (I've a Virgin and a Mockingbird myself, so I like the more traditional rounded off shapes), but something like Jetpilot has suggested is absolute perfect. It's also got a lovely mahogany body aswell, which is always a plus.

Doctor J

All you need is a reasonably high output humbucker in the bridge position on a guitar you're comfortable with. Avoid gimmick paintjobs and obscure shapes, you'll end up paying for gimmickery over quality. Depending on your style of playing, if you play a lot of lead, perhaps an Ibanez with a slim neck might be the way forward. If you play mostly rhythm and seldom do leads, think about something with a heavier body, eg Les Paul. If you don't play leads then avoid anything with a floating tremolo, it'll only annoy the shyte out of you as time goes on. Invest in a good guitar and then, if necessary, invest in a quality pickup by Seymour Duncan, EMG, DiMarzio, etc.

Ancient1

Good distortion comes from the preamp.
Distortion pedals just dont cut it at high volumes. They seem to lose a lot of their character.
I think it's an ok set up for your purposes (you're not touring right? ), but i wouldnt mind owning one of these babies

http://www.rocktron.com/products/gainiac.html

derrylahan

well i got the wartribe,
i'm very happy with it, no regrets

they didnt have the emgs,
but i think i might get a 81/89 combo rather then 81/85
my friend said that i can get moreless the same sound as an 85 for the 89 by pulling up the tone knob


also can u guys recommend a tuner that i could use that has different tunings in it like standard C, standard B, etc. and one that is also a metronome, i need a metronome

feylya

Originally posted by derrylahan
but i think i might get a 81/89 combo rather then 81/85
my friend said that i can get moreless the same sound as an 85 for the 89 by pulling up the tone knob

Actually, it's the other way round (if wired in standard). It'll sound like an 85 when the tone knob is down and it'll sound like a single coil in the up position. IMO there's no point in you getting an 89 for the neck, especially for metal. You wouldn't use the split humbucker that often. Save your money for a good tuner.

SirLemonhead

If you're so set on getting a setup of 'thrash metal standard' then is it really worth buying an EMG for the neck? would you really use it?

feylya

Please read my post carefully before replying. I said there was no need for him to get the more expensive 89 because imo he wouldn't use the coil tap that often. He should instead get a 61, 81 or 85 for the neck.

SirLemonhead

Was that post meant for me?

I understood what you said, I just think he should hold off buying any sort of neck pickup for the moment.

feylya

Apologies. I thought you're last post was for me.

TBH, it'll cost him more to hold off because of the cost of installing pickups.

SirLemonhead

Originally posted by feylya
Apologies. I thought you're last post was for me.

TBH, it'll cost him more to hold off because of the cost of installing pickups.

I suppose...he should look into soldering them in himself though really

feylya

He should. Some people just can't solder though.

derrylahan

for emg pickups i think ya install a new set of electronics because the output socket is basically on/off switch for the battery by puting in the lead - tats my understanding of it anyway
so i cant just buy an 81 for the and keep the original becuase it of a quik connect system which therefore if i just bought an 81 i woulnt need to solder it agian after the first time, which i think they do for free anyway, but i can solder myself anyway,

so i think what u's have benn agrueing about cancels out

ok so for choosing neck humbucker-
slipknot's mick thompson uses 81/89 and i prefer the sound of him rather then kerry king nd he uses 81/85 but i've never seen mick play the neck pick up selected,
do any of u's know how much they are?

SirLemonhead

Originally posted by derrylahan
for emg pickups i think ya install a new set of electronics because the output socket is basically on/off switch for the battery by puting in the lead - tats my understanding of it anyway
so i cant just buy an 81 for the and keep the original becuase it of a quik connect system which therefore if i just bought an 81 i woulnt need to solder it agian after the first time, which i think they do for free anyway, but i can solder myself anyway,

so i think what u's have benn agrueing about cancels out

ok so for choosing neck humbucker-
slipknot's mick thompson uses 81/89 and i prefer the sound of him rather then kerry king nd he uses 81/85 but i've never seen mick play the neck pick up selected,
do any of u's know how much they are?

I'm kinda confused by what you said... But if you can afford two pickups now, then go for it I guess. I stil recommend the EMG 60 or 89...The 81 isn't meant for the neck and supposedly is very hard to get a clean tone from.

The difference in the guitar tone of those two guys is that they'd be using different amps. Kerry King still uses marshall stacks I believe....Mick, I don't know.

EMGs are about €120 or so aren't they? with the 89 being more expensive.

derrylahan

i didnt mean an 81 for neck i meant it for bridge

is an 81/85combo 120eur
cause the guy mite of said 280eur but i wasnt really listening?

SirLemonhead

At least 120 euros for one single pickup. He must have said 280 for both....ouch