FF candidate shows remarkably innovative approach to electoral trickery

therecklessone

http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0628/wexford.html

Pat Rath lost out to sitting councillor Lorcan Allen by less than 400 votes - after letters were sent to several thousand voters, purporting to come from the Taoiseach, asking them to give their first preference to Mr Allen.

Mr Allen today took full responsibility for the letter following a meeting with the General Secretary of Fianna Fáil, Sean Dorgan. He apologised to Mr Rath for the deception, an apology which was accepted by the party.

Is this not an offence?

He should be forced to resign his post. Or he could follow the example of SF's Martin Christie http://www.politics.ie/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=5618

Phil_321

It's an absolute disgrace.
I agree, he should be forced to resign.

Victor

Originally posted by therecklessone
Is this not an offence?

Probably only if Bertie made a complaint.

DublinWriter

Yes, but you forget the Fianna Fail motto - 'The end justifies the means'.

At least it was only themselves they were shafting that particular time. Makes a refreshing change if you ask me.

jd

Ah, Lorcan Allen.


/me doen't think too much of lorcan..

DublinWriter

Them's litigious words if you ask me!

As much as I love boards.ie, I don't want to see them having their arsed sued by some rug-wearing FF'er and shut down as a consequence.

I suggest you meant 'thick' in a lovable, naive and sociable sense. His intellectual capabilities remain beyond reproach, comprendè? Nod if you agree.

Sparks

Originally posted by DublinWriter
I suggest you meant 'thick' in a lovable, naive and sociable sense. His intellectual capabilities remain beyond reproach, comprendè? Nod if you agree.

Of course, first you'd have to legally define the absolute level of competency and intelligence conveyed by the term "thick" and then prove in a court of law that it was intended in a deregatory fashion instead of being used as a shorthand for "sub-par in competency and intelligence", then you'd have to prove the defendant's defence was not accurate (and since he's provided an academic example already, I think a defence should be mountable), and then the defendant's in trouble.

Unfortunately, this being Ireland, the legal bits don't matter much, because the effective end result is imposed poverty for all but the lawyers...

Big Ears

He should be sacked / forced to resign .

Victor

Originally posted by Big Ears
He should be sacked / forced to resign .

Ah, but we live in a democracy, where we only sack politicians en masse.

mike65

Pisht! They're all at it, including Sinn Fein (Martin Ferris)according to The Last Word this evening.

Mike.

therecklessone

Originally posted by mike65
Pisht! They're all at it, including Sinn Fein (Martin Ferris)according to The Last Word this evening.

Mike.

Martin Ferris has been sending out bogus letters from Bertie telling people to vote for him? I thought Marto was into the aul arms smuggling, not forgery...

These chuckies are putting us all to shame with their multi-tasking.

De Rebel

i've nothing to say on this, just lurking here waiting to see Cork's indignant defence of The Party

therecklessone

Form an orderly queue please...;)

Phil_321

Originally posted by De Rebel
i've nothing to say on this, just lurking here waiting to see Cork's indignant defence of The Party

I voted FF (almost) all the way at the elections and I think this is a disgrace. I can't imagine too many FF supporters feeling otherwise. I think they're trying to brush it under the carpet, more corruption/dishonesty is the last thing they need.

DublinWriter

Originally posted by De Rebel
i've nothing to say on this, just lurking here waiting to see Cork's indignant defence of The Party

Thank God, I'm not the only one!

mike65

Originally posted by therecklessone
Martin Ferris has been sending out bogus letters from Bertie telling people to vote for him? I thought Marto was into the aul arms smuggling, not forgery...

These chuckies are putting us all to shame with their multi-tasking.

Ha Ha!

No Ferris was using offical Dail notepaper, postage, etc as part of the campiagn to try and get his daughter elected or re-elected. btw this is second hand rumour I would'nt like to be quoted as primary source! :ninja:

Mike.

leeroybrown

If Lorcan Allan has any sense left he should resign his seat. FF should also kick him out of the party.

On top of this, he used official Dail envelopes and comitted fraud against the electorate in Wexford and the country by impersonating the Taoiseach (the office of Taoiseach not the individual). Treason might be a bit too much but he should be treated in a similar way someone would be if they did the same thing to defraud people of money.

tapper

Obviously none of you have ever had any involvement in a political campaign in your lives. this kinda **** goes on in every campaign in the country!
and everyone uses oireachtas envelopes, even those that have never been elected to anything.

therecklessone

Originally posted by tapper
Obviously none of you have ever had any involvement in a political campaign in your lives. this kinda **** goes on in every campaign in the country!

Are we supposed to take that as some sort of excuse? It happens all the time, so its not a serious question of honesty at all?

:rolleyes:

jd

Originally posted by De Rebel
i've nothing to say on this, just lurking here waiting to see Cork's indignant defence of The Party

Must be on holidays?