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just wondering has anyone have the radeon x800 pro edition im getting it only for 340 euro in the shops but im just wondering what is it like for game

Mutant_Fruit

340euro ain't too bad for a card that good and new.

As for performance, think along the lines of a 9800pro, exept TWICE the performance. i.e. 1280x1024 resolution, full AA, full anisotropic filtering, all qualities on max. at more than 60fps.

Digi_Tilmitt

And there's the possibility of modding it to an XT to enable those other 4 pipelines for even more performance.

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yo digi how do i make my x800 pro edition into a x800xt edition

TacT

google is your friend -- there's loads of guides on this plastered all over the web.

one here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?threadid=17230558

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is it dangerous to over clock your graphic card even though that link u gave me tact tells me how to do it.i dont have a clue

Mutant_Fruit

Its not dangerous to overclock, providing you don't do something crazy and go from 400mhz to 1000mhz in one jump

But it is a little (and i mean only a little) dangerous unlocking the extra 4 pipes. It is very unlikely that you will end up damaging your card beyond repair, as long as you follow the instructions. And it can easily be reversed by removing the conductive paste.

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just wondering is there any specialist who can do it for me

knucks

I think that you should know, that is very easy to reduce your €340 graphics card to a worthless doorstop in no time at all if you don't know what you are doing. These people who overclock their PC equipment are obviously experts and know what they are talking about.

You don't need to overclock your graphics card. It is s**t hot already!!!

Why would you risk it when you are pretty much guarenteed fantastic performance on all current games anyway??????????

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that a great point knucks thanks ill consider not overclocking it

Mutant_Fruit

overclocking is done via software, and it is very hard to kill a graphics card with this kind of overclocking. But there probably wouldn't be much performance gain at the moment, so there wouldn't be any point. The X800 is well capable of running games at super-high quality at large resolutions, so you wouldn't see much of a bonus in performance from overclocking.

Wait til it begins to creak, then overclock the crap out of it.

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look can anyone answer 2 question for me
1st ,is it worth over clocking the x800
2nd ,if is worth it who could do it for

BabyEater

I don't think it is worth overclocking the X800 as it handles all the games brillantly so you wont notice any difference. You would only notice a difference if you where benchmarking.

BloodBath

I'd overclock it. You can get about 20% extra performance out of it. They overclock really well. Most of them you can add an extra 100mhz to the core and the memory.

It's easy and safe to do if you just follow a guide. It's done through software. All it is, is two sliding bars. One for the core and one for the memory. You just slide them up 10mhz at a time and run a benchmark until you start to get artifacts. Then drop back 10 to your safe level. With the core i'd drop back about 20 to allow for hot days ect.


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El_MUERkO

Use ATI tool to safely overclock...

http://atitool.ocfaq.com/

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by knucks
I think that you should know, that is very easy to reduce your €340 graphics card to a worthless doorstop in no time at all if you don't know what you are doing. These people who overclock their PC equipment are obviously experts and know what they are talking about.

You don't need to overclock your graphics card. It is s**t hot already!!!

Why would you risk it when you are pretty much guarenteed fantastic performance on all current games anyway??????????

You are sort of playing on his worst possible fears here arent you. Yes, you could kill your card by over clocking it. However, to do so you would need to run it at unstable speeds for long periods of time. If you do such a thing and don't realise you are doing wrong, you don't deserve such a card! You should also be beaten with it

Do you really think that ATI release a card that runs at its absolute safest speed? No, they find the average max speeds of there cards and drop these by 10 - 20% just to be safe!!

Mutant_Fruit

opening the extra 4 pipelines is definately worth doing, if you feel confidant about it. Whilest current games may not need em, future games most definately will benefit from them.

MrPinK

The Pro to XT mod is not just a software overclock. There is some small physical modding envolved, and you got to flash the bios too. It might not be an ideal one for breaking in an overclocking virgin. It doesn't work for all X800 Pro cards either, only those with certain serial numbers. So don't get your hopes up too much.

Having said all that, the benefits are pretty high. I'd say it's worth giving it a go.

Mutant_Fruit

you don't have to flash the bios, all you have to do is reconnect the 4 cut links. It will still function perfectly well without a flashed bios, but it won't be recognised as an XT. But the piplines will still be accessed.

KdjaCL

OMG you people are actually talking about overclokcing the 2nd fastest graphics card out, for what purpose?

I overclock cos im cheap and sometimes need to ,dont do it for fun of it.

Its an X800

As for performance, think along the lines of a 9800pro, exept TWICE the performance. i.e. 1280x1024 resolution, full AA, full anisotropic filtering, all qualities on max. at more than 60fps.

Why would anyone need to overclock that?

kdjac

Sir Random

Originally posted by KdjaC
OMG you people are actually talking about overclokcing the 2nd fastest graphics card out, for what purpose?

Eh, 2nd fastest?
The X800XT, 6800GT & 6800Ultra are faster. I'd definitely try the pipe mod & o/c, just to get it up to 6800GT speeds at least. The actual pipe mod is harmless if it doesn't work, just make sure you don't get conductive paint on any other components.

EDIT:
snoopdog, what's your system specs? these cards need meaty processors or they get cpu bottleknecked. In some review tests, the cards were cpu limited at some resolutions, even on FX53 systems.

greglo23

i`d be interested in the address of that shop !

KdjaCL

Originally posted by Sir Random
Eh, 2nd fastest?
The X800XT, 6800GT & 6800Ultra are faster. I'd definitely try the pipe mod & o/c, just to get it up to 6800GT speeds at least. The actual pipe mod is harmless if it doesn't work, just make sure you don't get conductive paint on any other components.

I did say second fastest out


kdjac

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what the fastest card out the
i thought the x800 was the best

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look if anyone interested the shop where im getting it its the good old
AMERICA

shinzon

Originally posted by snoopdog
just wondering has anyone have the radeon x800 pro edition im getting it only for 340 euro in the shops but im just wondering what is it like for game

Bit off topic i know but what computer shop are you getting that card for that price

Curious

Shin

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im getting the x800 in america, florida http://www.circuitcity.com/verity_search.jsp?productType=1&search=RADEON+X800&qp=0&c=1&b=g&u=c

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yo here my proceesors specs 2800 [2.08Ghz] AMD athlon xp
should i get i be able to run the card with any cpu bottleknecked

grimloch

Why would anyone need to overclock that?

they wouldnt now but may have to in a year maybe two when it starts lagging

Digi_Tilmitt

snoopdog your 2800+ shouldn't really be that much of a bottleneck.

Stuff always needs to be overclocked. If something runs at an insane framerate you just increase the settings/AA/AF. It's not as if an x800 has unlimited power, even in today's games you could still probably find a way to get it to go slow, in which case overclocking would be useful.

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look im just wondering if my x800 be powerful enough to play half life 2 and doom 3 on very high resolution on the highest detail.i know nobody knows what the details of both games are but would u think its powerful enough

2.08ghz
512mb ddr
windows xp
x800- [soon enough]

Digi_Tilmitt

well it's hard to say but i'd say you would probably able to play at full settings on say 1280 x 960 or whatever. You could do with some more ram alright.

Mutant_Fruit

if the X800 can't play any upcoming game at high resolutions, then nothing can. So you are definately quite future proof. I'm sure you'll have nice performance in games such as Far Cry (which are actually released) but who knows about HL2 etc. Will they ever come out?

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look if i wanted to overclock it who could do it for me any company that will do it for me

BeatFreak

Heh, I think some of the guys might be confusing you a little.

The X800Pro is the fastest card that is freely available at the moment. Depending on the specs of the rest your machine every game that is available at the moment and in the near future will run perfectly at reasonably high resolutions (1280x1042) probably higher depending on the game.

The only reason people want to overclock is 1. To squeeze and extra few fps out of thier ageing hardware to make a game more playable or 2. They are enthusiasts who like having thier hardware tweaked to the last/want to gain a few extra points in a benchmark/play at stupidly high resolutions with full AA and AF where non clocked hardware wouldn't manage playable fps.

By the sounds of it you don't fall into either 1 or 2 so in my oppinion there's no need for you to overclock your card at the moment

But if you do decide that you'd like to overclock it anyway because, well because you can (:D ). Then all you need is a GFX overclocking tool like ATItool which allows you to adjust the core and memory speeds. Keep clocking her a little harder untill artifacts start appearing and then you've found your maximum overclock.

It's really not that difficult and I doubt you'd find any companies who would overclock your machine for you, it's the kinda thing you learn a little bit about yourself and then experiment with what you know.

I'd like to go into more details but lunch is nearly over If you use IRC pop into #overclocking.ie on quakenet and I can answer any questions you might have

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very good advice beat freak thanks i wont bother with overclocking it

BKtje

ook im just wondering if my x800 be powerful enough to play half life 2 and doom 3 on very high resolution on the highest detail

Basically it would be only just playable with everything on full at a very high resolution. You'd need a high end pc (overclockedp4 or amd64) to have no slow down* at all (even then id still expect some) .

No one knows for sure of course as the games aint out yet and therefore not tested. Usually games are released with settings that aren't playable with even high end pc so that people can turn things up when the game gets a bit older and have new pcs.

While this isnt always the case it usually is. That said even if it would be perfectly playable on the very top of the range pcs yours unfortunately isnt one of these (top end would be an amd939, p4 3-4ghz or an overclocked amd 757 high end, with a gig of ram and a top end card).

Your pc will play it at near to top settings with a decent resolution but id imagine you'll still experience some slowdown.

I got a 1.8 (ie 200mhz slower) a 9700pro and 512mb ram (for another week anyway) and i cant play 2k4 anywhere near with highest settings. Especially in onslaught. While u may say well i got 200mhz extra and this whopper of a card you gotta remember 2k4 is already a fairly mature engine and hl2 and doom3 (especially from what ive seen) will be much more taxing. Im not trying to put a downer on you just trying to tell you what you can reasonably expect for your system.

Overclocking would help but id imagine your cpu might still be the bottleneck. Hardware modding is a no-no unless you know what your doing and even then you could still feck up. Software overclocking is easy has has been said but id say play the game and if you feel you need a little extra fps then give it a go.

*By slow down i mean most of the time its ok but when the action really hots up frames will plummet.

ARKANGEL

well i have a amd 64 3400+ with 2 gigs ddr 400 memory and a x800 pro..and i still get minor slow downs playing games like lomac and battlefield vietnam using everything pushed to the maximum....so there are bottlenecks even in high end systems:(