Net1 Experiences?

The Clown Man

www.net1.ie

Has anyone tried out these guys yet?

Their 1200/800 package looks pretty good but I just want to make sure that the lines are stable with little/no loss and do not clog up at 4pm on a friday.

What are the ping times like? Are they stable and low?

Any info would be much appreciated. Copy/pasted 'ping /t's would be great too.

Ta.

The Clown Man

*Bump*

No one?

I'm just afraid that the lines will be mad unstable like was the case with the other two wireless networks that come to mind when they started.

iwb

They look pretty new. It sounds like you will have to be the guinea pig. If you do sign up, please report back with your experiences.
I have to say, it is great to see all these wireless providers popping up.

jesus_thats_gre

I know of someone who has the service somewhere between Dundalk and Drogheda and its meant to he absolutely terrible.

slartibardfast

I use them, pings are the worst part of the package so I really can't recommend it for online gaming.

However as a fast always on net connection goes it meets my needs.

I am on the lite package and I easily get my 32kbytes per second down, and because of it's a synchronous wifi connection uploads are equally good.

P.S. You millage may vary as it's radio based etc.
P.S.S. Uptime on their service would appear to be far better than a mates digiweb connection although thats hearsay!

Fairly Average Pings:
~ # ping www.boards.ie
PING www.boards.ie (82.195.131.128): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=0 ttl=53 time=65.6 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=76.7 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=114.3 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=237.8 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=4 ttl=53 time=260.4 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=5 ttl=53 time=265.1 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=6 ttl=53 time=134.7 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=7 ttl=53 time=156.8 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=8 ttl=53 time=175.8 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=9 ttl=53 time=182.1 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=10 ttl=53 time=190.4 ms

Edit: I've never noticed major slowdowns on friday or anything like that.

Turner

My god those pings are terrible.

slartibardfast

yeah I guess I can live with it not really much of an online gamer! LAN parties are much more fun.

For downloading opensource(damn there is so much to keep up-to-date with) stuff off heanet, mirror.ac.uk or where ever, as a €35 per month net connection @400kbits/s it represents a serious bargin

steve-hosting36

Got a traceroute?

The Clown Man

Cheers for the info!

I'm sure they'll improve over time as they get used to their new network but I think I'll wait until it's running at 100%. Can't afford to rely on a line that may not be stable.

Thanks anyway.

edwardo

I'm in the laytown area and so far netsource are the only (not satellite) option available. I filled in the form on their website a couple of weeks back and finally managed to get them on the phone today. According to the guy I spoke to they didn't anticiapte the demand in the laytown/bettystown/julianstown area, and only put up a temporary transmitter with enough bandwidth for 20-30 people. They should be setting up a 20 meg dedicated transmitter in the next couple of weeks, I've no idea what contention they're operating on or what kind of demand they're facing, but hopefully this should help 'teething problems' somewhat. I'm encouraged by the fact they're refusing to add new users willy nilly, till they have the bandwidth in place to cope with them.

iwb

Netsource? Did you mean another provider? I wasn't aware they were offering wireless broadband now.

edwardo

iwb wrote:

Netsource? Did you mean another provider? I wasn't aware they were offering wireless broadband now.

Netsource should read net1. Pardon me, I was very sleep deprived posting that.

- Posted this as a reply rather than an edit, cause the edit option for that message is missing - presume its time limited or sommit.

CyberGhost

we need more info on these guys please!

edwardo

CyberGhost wrote:

we need more info on these guys please!

They called over to me last week and did a signal test. Official verdict was "an akward yes", so hopefully I'll be able to provide information about the installation and service quality soon.

On the other hand, if theres a delay in installation or it doesn't happen for whatever reason, that'll be valuable information too.

slartibardfast

I ought to have mentioned I'm on the lightest package.

I guess it must have been a bad few days (when I posted above pings) because it's now more like average 125 / max 250 ms :-)

Anybody with the standard home package care to comment?

edwardo

Contract arrived today..The usual broadband contracty type stuff I'd imagine, with 2 bits that stood out..

"5 Your Use of Broadband Services

5.1 These broadband Services are provided soley for your use and you cannot resell or attempt to resell the Broadband Services (or any part of it) to any third party. In addition, if you have a mail server, you must not allow relay emails from outside your domain from your mail server."

Assume this prohibits connection sharing, although as the wording is resell perhaps they'd be open to free sharing ? Its something I'd recommend checking with net1 if anyone's thinking of doing it. Not entirely sure what the email bit means, perhaps they're just trying to ensure people don't set up an email service ?

"5.5 You must not use the Broadband Services:

...

5.5.2 to deliver, knowingly receive, upload, download, use or re-use any information or material which is abusive, defamatory, obscene or menacing, or in breach of any copyright, privacy or any other rights; or

5.5.3 to send or procure the sending of any unsolicited advertising or promotional material"

Heres hoping they enforce 5.5.3, and 5.5.2 is there just to cover legal requirements. Can't see them keeping many residential customers if they enforce a prohibition of P2P - the fact that the contract does not specifically prohibit use of P2P services to me implies that this is just a legal nicety.

So far the company seem great to deal with, with the exception of being really slow to get back to phone calls, tech support requests etc. Placed a call enquiring about installation equipment at about 1 today, and they didn't get back by 2 forcing me to call up again..I understand they are a small company, but it is annoying when you have to sit by the phone waiting to arrange stuff which could be dealt with in a 2 minute conversation. I guess whats really anoying me is the 5 year wait for broadband, not the one hour one for a call back. Have to emphasise that when you do get them on the phone they're really friendly and helpful.

Due to current lack of a checkbook I can't sign up till friday, but I'll let you know progress from there. Hopefully by the Wednesday after, should have BB *crosses fingers*.

Check out the list of tariffs they posted with the contract, here. Going for the Home max package.

CyberGhost

the fact that the contract does not specifically prohibit use of P2P services to me implies that this is just a legal nicety.

what?

you mean they close their eyes about p2p?


dude, those are wrong tariffs IMHO

aren't this the packages?

http://www.net1.ie/packages.html

edwardo

CyberGhost wrote:

what?

you mean they close their eyes about p2p?


dude, those are wrong tariffs IMHO

aren't this the packages?

http://www.net1.ie/packages.html

I'd imagine the tariffs that arrived in my post this morning are more up to date than their website..Just a guess ;P. Also theres a possibility contention differs depending on where you are, I'm just at the far end of the actual coverage (not the coverage map, which is misleading as it doesn't take into account line of site, or the actual placement of transmitters) so perhaps my contention is worse for that reason.

Currently all ISP's in Ireland "close their eyes about p2p", although some screw it up by reducing priority / bandwidth on ports which are normally involved in p2p. Which depending on how you look at it is either screwing the customer, or understandable bandwidth conservation.

CyberGhost

edwardo wrote:

Which depending on how you look at it is either screwing the customer, or understandable bandwidth conservation.

erm.... Screwiiiiiiiiiing!!!!!!!!



how's your progress?

edwardo

Lets see how long till installation..I'm tingling with anticipation, and still waiting for the blighters from komplett to send me my network card. Grumble .

CyberGhost

I just called them up, they are not available in south Dublin

only North!

nl

Yes I got the net 1 wireless broadband reciently. I got the 600/400 package. Overall im happy with the service but occasionally iv been disconected.
Dont know if this is to do with my setting or the stability of the link.
I hav'nt a clue what my ping times are since i hav'nt played any online games yet.
Might try a bit of Colin Mc Crea and see how I get on. As soon as i get the info ill post.

nl

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\niall>ping www.boards.ie

Pinging www.boards.ie [82.195.131.128] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=62ms TTL=52
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=58ms TTL=52
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=62ms TTL=52
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=232ms TTL=52

Ping statistics for 82.195.131.128:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 58ms, Maximum = 232ms, Average = 103ms

C:\Documents and Settings\niall>

ronano

oh this looks promising, i am in julianstown, thank god someone is finally getting some sort of bb out here

acunning

I live outside julianstown and have a net1 connection at the moment, I have nothing negative to say about the service, it meets all my needs for downloads and updates so ping times don't worry me. I have had no down time since I was installed three month ago. But it seems to be the trend so here's what my ping times are like.

someuser@somebox $ ping boards.ie
PING boards.ie (82.195.131.128) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from boards.ie (82.195.131.128): icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=55.6 ms
64 bytes from boards.ie (82.195.131.128): icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=112 ms
64 bytes from boards.ie (82.195.131.128): icmp_seq=3 ttl=55 time=35.6 ms
64 bytes from boards.ie (82.195.131.128): icmp_seq=4 ttl=55 time=38.1 ms
64 bytes from boards.ie (82.195.131.128): icmp_seq=5 ttl=55 time=21.6 ms
64 bytes from boards.ie (82.195.131.128): icmp_seq=6 ttl=55 time=30.7 ms
64 bytes from boards.ie (82.195.131.128): icmp_seq=7 ttl=55 time=25.1 ms

--- boards.ie ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 6004ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 21.693/45.598/112.117/29.010 ms

Mo'

Just been connected this afternoon on the Home 600/400 package.

Pings as follows:

Pinging boards.ie [82.195.131.128] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=287ms TTL=55
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=318ms TTL=55
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=220ms TTL=55
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=733ms TTL=55

Ping statistics for 82.195.131.128:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 220ms, Maximum = 733ms, Average = 389ms

will wait and see....

edwardo

Very interesting how different acunning and mo's pings are. It's interesting how the service is varying from area to area. I'd love to know whether this is due to varying contention, user settings, distance/line of sight or what..Maybe people could post some more detail with their pings, such as how far they are from their local antenna etc ? Incidentally, what program is everyone using to ping boards ? Excuse my ignorance.

Still waiting on my install, with what might be termed sick anticipation.

edwardo

Very mixed pings

C:\>ping boards.ie

Pinging boards.ie [82.195.131.128] with 32 bytes of dat

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=88ms TTL=53
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=543ms TTL=53
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=523ms TTL=53
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=1141ms TTL=53

Ping statistics for 82.195.131.128:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss)
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 88ms, Maximum = 1141ms, Average = 573ms

Eeek.
Hopefully its just the weather. Plus supposedly theirs just a temporary connection in to the area at the moment which will be upgraded soon.

Not great right now.

edwardo

No matter how many times I run a ping, or where to, it always starts off small with each ping getting progressively larger, for example:

Pinging boards.ie [82.195.131.128] with 32 bytes of da

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=69ms TTL=56
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=113ms TTL=56
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=56
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=552ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 82.195.131.128:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 69ms, Maximum = 552ms, Average = 224ms


Anyone have any idea why this is ? Must surely be some sort of configuration error surely ?

steve-hosting36

Can someone do a tracert to see where the packets are actually going? That may help explain the latency irregularities.

Imaizumi

I have got connection from this company at my house in Meath and at My Company in Dundalk. I currently make this posting from work and here is the ping to this site:
Pinging boards.ie [82.195.131.128] with 32 bytes of data:



Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=56

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=56

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=56

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=66ms TTL=56

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=56

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=56

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=56

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=56

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=56

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=56



Ping statistics for 82.195.131.128:

Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

Minimum = 31ms, Maximum = 66ms, Average = 39ms

At My house, there are some trees in the way and this averages 100ms sometimes more. The company told me when they installed the service in Laytown last week that there would be ups and downs because the bandwidth coming into that area was onlt 2Mb at the moment - however in 2-3 weeks they told me that this will be upping to 20Mb.

So Far I am verry happy with the service - they have come to my village and where no one else is. I could not even get ISDN from Eircom.

Downloading large emails is brilliant - and I even have a VPN to work computer, so I think Internet is good for many things apart from Games.

edwardo

As you can see from my previous posts my pings are considerably worse than 100 max..I buy the only 2 megs into the area thing, but they told me it wont be upgraded for a couple of months rather than weeks..

edwardo

I ran two, one after another - I've blocked out the first 2 addresses as I'm incredibly ignorant / paranoid about networking security, shouldn't make any difference though.

_____________________________________________________

Tracing route to boards.ie [82.195.131.128]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 43 ms 35 ms 23 ms my.router [*.*.*.*]
2 57 ms * 113 ms *.*.*.*
3 25 ms 27 ms 27 ms 10.60.1.14
4 195 ms 37 ms 45 ms iilgw-fe-0-1.internet-ireland.ie [217.78.0.1]
5 * 88 ms 50 ms fe-0-0-3-2.dub20.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.67.85

6 69 ms 62 ms 75 ms so-2-0-0.par30.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.81.65]
7 62 ms 85 ms 65 ms so-4-0.core2.Paris1.Level3.net [212.73.240.177

8 74 ms 66 ms 81 ms ae-0-15.mp1.Paris1.Level3.net [212.73.240.65]
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 82 ms 77 ms 80 ms ge-7-0.ipcolo1.London1.Level3.net [212.187.131
31]
11 115 ms 95 ms 103 ms 80.253.124.21
12 66 ms 66 ms 119 ms sneezy.hosting365.ie [82.195.128.8]
13 63 ms 91 ms 65 ms boards.ie [82.195.131.128]

Trace complete.

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Tracing route to boards.ie [82.195.131.128]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 36 ms 23 ms * my.router [*.*.*.*]
2 35 ms 42 ms 78 ms *.*.*.*
3 49 ms 36 ms 41 ms 10.60.1.14
4 31 ms 56 ms 28 ms iilgw-fe-0-1.internet-ireland.ie [217.78.0.1]
5 249 ms 38 ms 55 ms fe-0-0-3-2.dub20.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.67.85

6 96 ms 96 ms 67 ms so-2-0-0.par30.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.81.65]
7 288 ms 64 ms 68 ms so-4-0.core2.Paris1.Level3.net [212.73.240.177

8 182 ms 66 ms 77 ms ae-0-15.mp1.Paris1.Level3.net [212.73.240.65]
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 118 ms 74 ms 147 ms ge-7-0.ipcolo1.London1.Level3.net [212.187.131
31]
11 497 ms 101 ms 83 ms 80.253.124.21
12 120 ms 92 ms 92 ms sneezy.hosting365.ie [82.195.128.8]
13 134 ms 105 ms 80 ms boards.ie [82.195.131.128]

Trace complete.