Angel finale

OmegaRed

Did anyone see the last ep of Angel yet. I saw it today and wondered what people thought of it???

Dr. Nick

no. never saw it.

i did, however see playboy pics of some chick who was in it.

Zhane

no i aint seen it yet

ixoy

Seen it and really really liked it. I especially liked how it ended, even if some didn't. Felt right, given how the tone and direction of the show. Much better than the Buffy series finale.

Block (8

Yeah just saw it but I didn't realise it was the finale until midway through.
Having said that after the 2nd last episode you knew it was very soon in coming.

It wasn't as dramatic as I thought it would be, you kinda think "hmmm is that it?" unlike like Buffy which I dunno somehow ended better.

Yes I watch them both, I need help

TCamen

I thought it was in keeping with the tone of the series and I really enjoyed it, esp

the touching scene between 'Fred'/Illyria and a dying Wesley. Yes I did cry

It wasn't quite as definitive as the end of Buffy, but then, they are both very different series, and I don't think Angel needed a neat little ending with all the answers.

I'll miss the show

Ronika

am i missing something. Ive been watchin it on sky- was it on another station??

Gurgle

I thought it was very good - while leaving it open in case some $$$ appeared for a season 6.

am i missing something. Ive been watchin it on sky- was it on another station??

Sometimes bad people download tv episodes from the internet.

IMADeviant

Its tragic though, I enjoyed this show far more than buffy and I was a buffy fanatic when it first came out. Angel seemed a more developed show that didn't rely on annoying dawson creekish dialogue to flesh out plots. But still like futurama before it the best shows are never fully appreciated.

jill_valentine

I just don't understand why it was cancelled. The episodes were actually getting better, and the demise of its older sister meant that thousands of Whedon addicts would have been practically compelled to watch it.

Tom

I'm currently collecting Buffy DVD boxsets, but I'll consider videos. Hell, if you have anything Buffy or Angel related, PM me.

Play currently have a sale on for Buffy DVD sets. £29.99 stirling with free delivery.

jill_valentine

Yup, great deal, but sadly I lack any means to pay through Sterling...

Joeface

Well ppl ,
Just watched the last eps..Good end to a good show,
The "Lady" is gutted....

jill_valentine

It would have been nice if they'd splashed out on some really spectacular monsters, for one last go. They looked pretty bog standard to me. Good episode though. Poor Wesley. Heh, Angels hair went all flat in the rain. I think the most heartbreaking character was Lorne. When he's not quipping, you know somethings amiss.

Did anybody else feel physically sickened by the "Thank You" at the end?

Zhane

thats the WB for ya. anyway, anyone notice the dragon? wasnt that the dragon from Buffy series 5 finale? the one where she died?

Venom

Originally posted by jill_valentine
Did anybody else feel physically sickened by the "Thank You" at the end?

My take on the "Thank You" is that it was a big fook you to the retard's who deceided to can the show as well as thanking the fans for support over the years and in the recent seasions "keep angel going" petitions etc.

de5p0i1er

Originally posted by Venom
My take on the "Thank You" is that it was a big fook you to the retard's who deceided to can the show as well as thanking the fans for support over the years and in the recent seasions "keep angel going" petitions etc.

I agree with you on that one I thought that it would last another year at least. The ending wasn't what I thought it would be. There was rumors of Buffy making an apperance and the apocolypse never happened.

jill_valentine

Mmm, SMG was filming Ju-on, and there was such a rush to wrap it up they never managed to adequatly explain why nobody at all came to help...

Buffy might have detracted from the focus a little. Faith, on the other hand, might have at least popped by....

Nike_Dude

I enjoyed the ending. It kept up with the theme of the show very well (i.e. a battle against evil that cannot be truly won)
I am however really annoyed with the wb network for cancelling it. it meant that they had to resolve every loose end that was in the series (conner, the prophecy, etc) in only a few episodes. It was annoying to see the prophecy only getting a few minutes of screen time in the last episode, considering that it was a central theme for the whole show.
It was still my favourite series of angel though:)

Almarsáre

A fitting ending to a fantastic show. I really can't believe its gone.

I didn't see the Thank You though. What exactly did it say?

LFCFan

ending sucked!

Johnmb

Originally posted by jill_valentine
...there was such a rush to wrap it up they never managed to adequatly explain why nobody at all came to help...

Buffy might have detracted from the focus a little. Faith, on the other hand, might have at least popped by....

He couldn't tell anybody, as the element of surprize was needed. Even his own group could only be told during a spell, and at the last minute. At least the ending leaves open the possibility of something happening in the future, they didn't just wrap everything up.

I am/was a massive fan of Buffy, although I was bored to tears during season seven, but I never got into Angel. I thought it lacked the emotional warmth, specific humour and character development of BtVS. I did tune in to see the crossover episodes though. I miss Buffy and I am so pissed off at how awful season seven was. I ending up just not caring about the characters anymore. It sucked.

kittex

Been a fan of both shows since they started, and while I don't think endings are ever what you hope they will be, the Angel one was just too sudden for me.

At least with Buffy they did like a 2 hour special and a documentary to amrk it and stuff. This was such a non-event. So Sudden, like they were toally embarrassed about the whole affair. And imo they should be. Cancelling such a good show at short notice, forcing sudden resolution of long running story lines...balls.

I'll miss it.

The final shot, with them in the alley facing the demons etc, was so weird looking, it was kind of stupid. They went out fighting...safe to assume they all die though?

ixoy

Originally posted by kittex

The final shot, with them in the alley facing the demons etc, was so weird looking, it was kind of stupid. They went out fighting...safe to assume they all die though?

Well I kinda disagree because

The final fight felt really right for Angel. He's about redeeming himself but he's come to realize he can never fully atone for his sins - he said as much to Connor in Season 4. So instead he decides to go out - and yes presumably dying - in last huge fight against evil. He knows it can never be wiped out, but it's the gesture, putting evil off track for that short while, that will make a difference to someone somewhere. Now sure, I would have liked a lot more time to resolve storylines, such as Illyria. But what they did with the time they had pleased me far more than Buffy, which had a whole season to do it but failed, in my mind, miserably.

kittex

Originally posted by ixoy
Well I kinda disagree because

The final fight felt really right for Angel. He's about redeeming himself but he's come to realize he can never fully atone for his sins - he said as much to Connor in Season 4. So instead he decides to go out - and yes presumably dying - in last huge fight against evil. He knows it can never be wiped out, but it's the gesture, putting evil off track for that short while, that will make a difference to someone somewhere. Now sure, I would have liked a lot more time to resolve storylines, such as Illyria. But what they did with the time they had pleased me far more than Buffy, which had a whole season to do it but failed, in my mind, miserably.

Good point, yeah. Perhaps it was something to do with the editing, too quick a shot.

I can't believe how many people feel that way about the Buffy ending though. I thought it was a pretty good (of a little obvious) way to tie things up.

Season seven of Buffy was just terrible. I felt out of love with the show because of it. I still love classic season two days though, and I will always love other bits of later season also, but to reiterate season seven sucked. Shame on the writers and producers for taking such a lax approach to it.

Johnmb

Originally posted by David Lynch
Season seven of Buffy was just terrible. I felt out of love with the show because of it. I still love classic season two days though, and I will always love other bits of later season also, but to reiterate season seven sucked. Shame on the writers and producers for taking such a lax approach to it.

TBH, while I liked seasons 6 and 7, I didn't think they were great. IMO the writers where trying to make the Buffy character as unlikeable as possible, without making her a big bad. I thought at the time that it was because they were going to continue without her, but then at the end of season 7 they tried to undo it all and get her back to the way she was. That was my main grievance with the last two seasons (and part of season 5 too for that matter!)

jill_valentine

In fairness, the Buffy finale was far, far better than most of the other episodes in the season, even if it didn't make any sense at all. (Buffys "Mortal Wound" apparently only served to make her more aerodynamic as she jumps dodgy CGI buildings. Remember when a much lesser injury nearly killed Faith? Where were all the SiTs families? Or hell, where were any of the characters families?)

It was like they were Aeon Fluxing it, each episode had barely any relation to the one preceding it. The waddled around for a whole season making vague doomladen suggestions, and every time it looked like there might be a running plotline it trailed off into nothing and was forgotten. Then they scrambled to McGuyver something out of it at the last possible second.

They had so many potentially interested ideas that they just pi**ed away. (Faith's return as Buffys equal rather than enemy or lackey, Xander, a core cast member, lost his fu**ing eye!, The first as Joyce, the First as the Mayor, the First who should have showed up as Jesse, Ford, Snyder, any of the graduation kids...Jesus, I could go on and on about how much was wasted) I might have forgiven all of that, because it actually wasn't too bad compared to S6, say, but all the characters had a sudden attack of complete personality reversal (Giles on the Internet, Xander making glib jokes about his own partial blinding and the death of his ex fiance, Buffy being a preachy judgemental bi*ch, Teenage Mutant Hero "Madd Skillz" Faith...) The whole damn point was the characters. And they pi**ed it all away. It even corrupts my re-watching of old epps. I can't watch Buffy when she was funny and likeable without having the shadow of the OtherBuffy of S7 hanging over it.

The Angel finale, on the other hand, did respect each of its characters. Sure, Wesley's Harry Pottering was a little off, but I think they did admirably, considering. Pretty bleak, but not too bleak. And hey, who's to say they don't get yet another massive Deus Ex Machina right after the credits?

Johnmb

Originally posted by jill_valentine
The Angel finale, on the other hand, did respect each of its characters. Sure, Wesley's Harry Pottering was a little off, but I think they did admirably, considering. Pretty bleak, but not too bleak. And hey, who's to say they don't get yet another massive Deus Ex Machina right after the credits?

I would be fairly confident that they could explain Angel & co. surviving if they made a movie, or got another series/spin-off next year. Yes, there were a lot of demons coming for them, but these demons were just lackeys, not anything major, and Lindsey and Gunn were able to get through a large amount of such lackeys earlier, so Angel and Illyria should have no major problems. Maybe a few slayers showing up would do the trick (it could always be explained that Giles had Angel watched as he didn't trust him, and when the slayers realised that something big had gone down, they decided to help rather than just watch).

bada_bing

Wel i have to say that Buffy season 7 was disappointing compared to the first 5 seasons and was a big improvement over season 6 which in my opinon was the suckiest buffy season ever. Though i have to say that watching Season 7 on a weekly basis did not do it any justice as the pacing of storyline of season 7 was rather different and thus was more enjoyable and more coherent when i watched it on DVD within a week.

The Shol'va

I liked Buffy Seasons 6 & 7, I never really liked 5, but 3 was definatly my favourtie. And I love every season of Angel (Even Season 4, which most of Buffyverse fandom seems to think is bad...)

jill_valentine

If you haven't yet found http://www.boilsandblindingtorment.com/Recaps.htm I thoroughly recommend it. Its freaky how exactly they sum up my problems with each episode...

My opinion of the show in gerneral has changed drastically since it was cancelled a year ago. I re-watched the season one episode Prophecy Girl the other day, an episode which I believed to be very good and one of my favourites, and it was awful. The direction, cinematography, script, plot. Bleh. It felt stilted. Maybe this is because of it is season one and with that is the small budget, poor production and inexperience of the people involved. But if you had asked me what I thought of it a year and a half ago, no one could have made me see it as how I see it now, kinda mediocre.

Season two is good, although there are some monster of the weeks and the budget isn't as big it works. This is because it was fresh, the writing and especially plotting was better and the acting was better.

Season three seemed to me like the show was being forced a little to be a teen pop show, and be attractive to the mass audience who would otherwise be watching dawsons creek. The plot was boring and it was all kinda 'lets wait for school to end'. Faith was brilliant, Angel was unnesescary. Buffy got too floral and went a bit mad with the hair bleaching.

Season Four I liked. The initiative was a bit too James Bond for me and Riley was crap but I liked Tara and Willow. Restless I loved, but the whole plot didn't work. Adam was crap.

Season Five. C'mon, this plot was pretty good. The finale was awesome. That last scene with Buffy voice over made me cry. The Body is the best episode of the whole show, acting from SMG was amazing. Brilliant script and fitting direction. This was just 'wow'. I like Glory and especially the lead up to the last episode.

Season six. I hated the trio, they were boring. The plot was crap, I felt bad for the characters. Willows magic thing was a bit too much, could have been done better. But Aly in black contacts? Yay. I liked how they made Buffy all depressed after coming back from the dead. I always saw this as how she felt about her mother being dead, she was still grieving and depressed. I like OMWF and Normal Again. There were some truly boring episodes though.

Season Seven. They should have left Spike long ago here and not have made Buffy such a bitchy cow. I hated season seven. The show seemd so tired and as if it was holding onto one story and spanning it over any number of episodes.