Traffic reversal and pedestrianisation on Stephen's Green

vinnyfitz

I see there is a consultation process underway - deadline for responses Friday May 28th.

Details from the City Council

Not very widely publicised methinks.

gibo_ie

now this is the most sensible traffic managment i have ever seen from dublin corpo!!!

BUT the only place you can go from Cuff street is Dawson street!!! nowhere else at all?
Now i am no expert but if they changed the bus lane on leeson street for normal traffic and allowed one lane to use this it should alievate the problem of all traffic from cuff st having to go back to pearse street via dawson street!!!
This means no access south at any point!!

I just dont get it!!

Victor

Originally posted by gibo_ie
BUT the only place you can go from Cuff street is Dawson street!!! nowhere else at all?

And Nassau Street, Westland Row, Merrion Square and all points beyond. Just double back on Molesworths Street for Merrion Row and Baggot Street.

Originally posted by gibo_ie
Now i am no expert but if they changed the bus lane on leeson street for normal traffic

This would congest the Leeson St / Stephen's Green Junction too much.

Originally posted by gibo_ie
from cuff st having to go back to pearse street via dawson street!!!

???? Which you do currently ....

Originally posted by gibo_ie
This means no access south at any point!!

Where are you suggesting people are coming from / going to?

gibo_ie

Originally posted by Victor
And Nassau Street, Westland Row, Merrion Square and all points beyond. Just double back on Molesworths Street for Merrion Row and Baggot Street. This would congest the Leeson St / Stephen's Green Junction too much. ???? Which you do currently .... Where are you suggesting people are coming from / going to?

Actually i made a submission on this plan and was told that this was a major flaw, and if the plan is made 'more permenant' this issue will be looked at.

Yes ictor, you are right you can go to Nassau Street, Westland Row, Merrion Square but as i pointed out none of these are south!! and to get to leeson st you have to travel via all of the above!! A bit pointless sending traffic around in circles???

you end up on the Green North at two diffrent stages on this route, and with dublin traffic its probably about 10 mins later too!!

Victor

Originally posted by gibo_ie
as i pointed out none of these are south!!

As I said "Where are you suggesting people are coming from / going to"?

gibo_ie

coming from: city center/ Dame Street
going to: leeson st/Stillorgan/ N11/ Bray

only other option is to cross pearse street ro go east link!

loyatemu

the map on that link is one of the worst I've ever seen

not only is it extremely difficult to read but they've got the key the wrong way round!! The broken lines represent the proposed flow, not the existing flow. Great work there DCC.

Also - its not true that traffic from cuffe st. can only go up dawson st
it can't even go up dawson st - SG west will be access only - anyone arriving at the green off cuffe st will have to head towards the surgeons car park.

Victor

Originally posted by gibo_ie
coming from: city center/ Dame Street going to: leeson st/Stillorgan/ N11/ Bray

From O'Connell Street: D'Olier St., College Green, Nassau St., Kildare St., Baggot St., etc.

OR

From O'Connell Street: Westmoreland St., Townsend St., Westland Row, Merrion Square, Baggot St., etc.

AND

From Dame St. (no right turn on College Green): Westmoreland St., D'Olier St., College Green, Nassau St., Kildare St., Baggot St., etc.

OR

From Dame St. (no right turn on College Green): Westmoreland St., Townsend St., Westland Row, Merrion Square, Baggot St., etc.

Any more questions?

gibo_ie

Ok smart guy , here is my starting and finishing points; tell me your best route as the ones suggested so far would add so much extra time...
Caple St to Donnybrook.

loyatemu

the map on that link is one of the worst I've ever seen

not only is it extremely difficult to read but they've got the key the wrong way round!! The broken lines represent the proposed flow, not the existing flow. Great work there DCC.

Also - its not true that traffic from cuffe st. can only go up dawson st
it can't even go up dawson st - SG west will be access only - anyone arriving at the green off cuffe st will have to head towards the surgeons car park.

Victor

Originally posted by gibo_ie
Ok smart guy , here is my starting and finishing points; tell me your best route as the ones suggested so far would add so much extra time...
Caple St to Donnybrook.

Making it easy aren't you.

Parliament Street
Cork Hill
Werburgh Street
Bride Street
Hetyebury Street
Harrington Street
Bleeding Horse
Charlemont Street*
Grand Parade*
Sussex Road
Morehampton Road

* Alternate via Hatch Street and Adelaide Road.

OR

Parliament Street
Lord Edward Street
New Street
Patrick Street
Clanbrassil Street
Canal
Sussex Road
Morehampton Road

OR Go to O'Connell Bridge and follow directions in previous post, but it would probably be slower.

gibo_ie

Parliament Street
Cork Hill
Werburgh Street
Bride Street
Hetyebury Street
Harrington Street
Bleeding Horse
Charlemont Street*
Grand Parade*
Sussex Road
Morehampton Road

Have tried this way but you get seriously stuck in traffic from end of Bride Street on!!

Parliament Street
Lord Edward Street
New Street
Patrick Street
Clanbrassil Street
Canal
Sussex Road
Morehampton Road

Closer to my route now but clanbrassil st and canal in the morning time??? Have you ever tried this, its like the bleedin M50 carpark!!

Here is what i do currently

Parliament Street
Dame St
Trintiy St
William St South
Mercer St
Suffe St
Around the Green West and North
Merrion Row
Pembroke St onto
Leeson St
and Straight to Donnybrook

Now the ONLY place where i even slow down for traffic is coming onto Cuffe St sometimes as traffic can build up.

This journey takes approx 20mins in the morning by car. The routes you have suggested have taken me quite a while longer but nonetheless i will try one of them tomorrow morning as i would welcomingly be proved wrong if it helps me getout of traffic quicker,

cheers Victor!!
M

Victor

Oh, how about getting a bus?

Originally posted by gibo_ie
Closer to my route now but clanbrassil st and canal in the morning time??? .

Whats wrong with Clanbrassil St in the morning?

Originally posted by gibo_ie
Now the ONLY place where i even slow down for traffic is coming onto Cuffe St sometimes as traffic can build up.

Not for traffic lights

gibo_ie

Oh, how about getting a bus?

BUS?? In this city??

Take the 10 mins to walk to O'Connell St. Wait for the 46x to decide to come along (supposed to be every 8 mins) This takes between 45 and 60 mins to reach donnybrook!!)

Thats what is wrong with the bus!!

vinnyfitz

I suspect DCC are hoping you would go
North Quays
Matt Talbot Bridge and e.g
Westland Row
Merrion Square etc...

Do you ever try that?

seamus

Originally posted by loyatemu
the map on that link is one of the worst I've ever seen

not only is it extremely difficult to read but they've got the key the wrong way round!! The broken lines represent the proposed flow, not the existing flow. Great work there DCC.

Also - its not true that traffic from cuffe st. can only go up dawson st
it can't even go up dawson st - SG west will be access only - anyone arriving at the green off cuffe st will have to head towards the surgeons car park.

Yes that map is awful. So awful in fact, that I thought I could a better one in mspaint for phase 1. And I did, although there may be one or two errors (like, I think traffic will be two way between Glovers alley and Kildare st, but I don't see why it would be).

But eh, yeah, attached It's very very rough, but it makes more sense then theirs.

Edit: See lower down for map

vinnyfitz

Not bad Seamus but a couple of comments
there will be no right turn up Earlsfort Tce from Green South. If you are mad enought to go into Cuffe St at all you have no option to get off the green until you get to Dawson St
and your plan give the impression cars will be able to turn right up green east as they do at the moment. This will be bus only.

Victor

Originally posted by seamus
I think traffic will be two way between Glovers alley and Kildare st,

Only between Glovers alley and Dawson Street - for access for Stephens Green North to the car parks and for egress from Grafton Street for deliveries. There is hope for some arrangement for taxis (it's likely to be too tight for buses to turn there).

seamus

Good stuff. Updated.

Victor

Wrong pic dude.

John R

Originally posted by gibo_ie
BUS?? In this city??

Take the 10 mins to walk to O'Connell St. Wait for the 46x to decide to come along (supposed to be every 8 mins) This takes between 45 and 60 mins to reach donnybrook!!)

Thats what is wrong with the bus!!

Absolute crap. I regularly get a bus on this route home at the height of rush hour and rarely is there more than 5 minutes between buses and journey time from O'Connell street to Donnybrook is more like 20-25 minutes

seamus

Originally posted by gibo_ie
BUS?? In this city??

Take the 10 mins to walk to O'Connell St. Wait for the 46x to decide to come along (supposed to be every 8 mins) This takes between 45 and 60 mins to reach donnybrook!!)

Thats what is wrong with the bus!!

Why would you go to O'Connell St? Go to the stop between Kildare and Dawson St. The 46a comes once every 5 minutes, and then takes about 25-30 minutes (in very heavy traffic) to get to Donnybrook.
If a 46a has just left, you can be pretty sure that one of the other busses - 10 for example - will be along soon.

Maybe you're getting the wrong bus.