Lying on current salary at job interview.

Coney Island

I recently had a job interview and when they asked me what my salary was I lied and raise the figure of 7,000 Euro (as I am currently well underpaid!). I then specified how much I wanted from the new company to start working for them.
Now, my concern is that when I leave my current job and receive the P45 from my current employer, my new employer will figure out that the salary I was earning before was much lower than what I said, and that I was lying about it........ my question is, will they find out? Any way I can get out of this trouble without being caught (should I get the job)?

Lump

That was a bit stupid to do. You should *NEVER* lie on your CV or at the interview, the employer will normally find out and then they won't be able to just you from step one.


John

seamus

Depends on the nature of your employer. If you're working in a big company with a separate HR/Payroll department, and you give it straight to them, you'll be fine, but if it's a very small company, i.e. where the boss does the payroll or you have to give it to your boss before passing it on, it could cause hassle.

Or it may not. It may have just been one of those things he said in an interview, and won't even remember.

Why did you lie?

Fudger

hmmmmmmm potential problem but if its a big organisation the chances of the person who interviewed you seeing the p45 are pretty slim. ie: accounts wouldn't give a f*ck. If they agreed to pay you the fiqure you said well then they obviously view it as reasonable and your worth it. Otherwise they would have told you to take a run and jump.

I wouldn't be too bothered about it. If it became an issue just look confused and curse your old company for screwing you out of money that you where under the impression you where gettin and that you could never fiqure out why you seemed to be spending so much...........

Coney Island

Well, if I don't get this job or the fire me because of this I will move to the UK and look for a job there....

Would a UK employer still find out? do I have to handle the P45 the same way as here in Ireland or it works differently as it is located in another country?

Ro

You can get a version of your P45 without your current salery information. Just go into the tax office with your P45 and tell them that you don't want your next employer to know your salery details and they'll sort you out.

Coney Island

Originally posted by seamus
Depends on the nature of your employer. If you're working in a big company with a separate HR/Payroll department, and you give it straight to them, you'll be fine, but if it's a very small company, i.e. where the boss does the payroll or you have to give it to your boss before passing it on, it could cause hassle.

Thanks for this....well the movement is from the biggest IT multinational to the second biggest (don't wanna make names).....so hopefully they won't find out. I will make sure i will handle my P45 to HR/Payroll directly.

Coney Island

Originally posted by Ro
You can get a version of your P45 without your current salery information. Just go into the tax office with your P45 and tell them that you don't want your next employer to know your salery details and they'll sort you out.

Really? this is greaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttt!!!!! God bless you!

Genghis

If you are caught (and I would doubt that you will be), bluff your way out of it. Tell them that you were only just awarded a €10k pay rise. Or say that you earned a bonus that you couldn't take when you left and this amounts to the difference. Or tell them that you included the full package when you gave the higher figure - incluive of car allowance, tuition fees / exam fees, pension, health insurance, staff discounts, etc.

whosurpaddy

Originally posted by Ro
You can get a version of your P45 without your current salery information. Just go into the tax office with your P45 and tell them that you don't want your next employer to know your salery details and they'll sort you out.

exactly. take your p45 and go to tax office and ask for a p21. this is the form you want to give to new employer.

your not the first and you wont be the last to do this.

Peace

You could also claim that you included benefits in kind in your salary estimation?

egan007

Originally posted by Coney Island
I recently had a job interview and when they asked me what my salary was I lied and raise the figure of 7,000 Euro (as I am currently well underpaid!). I then specified how much I wanted from the new company to start working for them.
Now, my concern is that when I leave my current job and receive the P45 from my current employer, my new employer will figure out that the salary I was earning before was much lower than what I said, and that I was lying about it........ my question is, will they find out? Any way I can get out of this trouble without being caught (should I get the job)?

disregard anything on this forum - you can detatch the piece of ur p45 with ur previous details on it. Say what you like - all you are doing is a bit of haggling for your benefit - that's no crime.

insructions on detatching salary is on the p45

Lafortezza

Once you get your P45 from your previous employer if you read the small print on one of the pages it says something like:

"Give this form P45 to your new employer.
If you do not want your new employer to know your previous pay amounts contact the Tax Office and arrangements can be made to suit."

Tax Office helpline 1890 60 50 90

casper-

Completely disregarding this P45 business (which is interesting to find out about anyway) -- this has been the standard way to get a raise when you switch jobs for as long as I can remember.

Anyone who's interviewing people and doesn't expect them to inflate their current/previous salary is living in a dream world imho.

seamus

Originally posted by casper-
Completely disregarding this P45 business (which is interesting to find out about anyway) -- this has been the standard way to get a raise when you switch jobs for as long as I can remember.

Anyone who's interviewing people and doesn't expect them to inflate their current/previous salary is living in a dream world imho.

Why would anyone aply for a job that didn't pay more than they get now, unless their curret job is crap, or they're changing career?



I would have thought that getting a new job includes more pay...

Lump

When you move to the UK they have no contact with the Irish Tax collector. You have to apply for a National Insurance number.


John

casper-

Originally posted by seamus
Why would anyone aply for a job that didn't pay more than they get now, unless their curret job is crap, or they're changing career?



I would have thought that getting a new job includes more pay...

Well, yes a new job would probably be more pay (or perhaps in a better company, etc.). I guess it's just that if you're in any sort of position where you can bargain with your prospective new employer (i.e. _they_ want _you), stating a higher salary than you currently have just gives you the opportunity to raise your base salary in the new position.

Obviously this isn't going to work in all situations; I should have probably clarified more.

Salubri

Never lie about anything you can be pinned down about on your CV or in an interview. You leave yourself open to dismissal for starters but far worse than that in my opinion is the chance that your new boss will find out and simply not trust you from then on. Working for someone who doesn't trust you is absolutely the pits.

Why lie anyway - tell them what you earn and say that you believe that you are worth far more. You have asked for a raise in your previous employment but have decided to move on as your employer obviously does not value you. Being under-estimated makes you feel unimportant to your employer and therefore is a de-motivator. Say how much you want and leave it in their court to haggle. They won't push you down much, as you have already expressed, that would lead to an immediate lack of motivation. (They will push you down, all prospective employers anticipate an inflated first request - adjust your figure accordingly - it's the game!)

Otherwise - just tell them you don't want to say how much you earned previously:
good reasons include;
- It reflects badly on your former employer.
- You would prefer to have them decide on your worth from examining your merits
- You believe that your current salary does not in any way reflect upon your abilities.

All this doesn't help much in your current situation (see above for that) but you might not make the same mistake again. If you decide to go to the UK, good hunting

minority

dont sweat it. everyone does it.
You can as said before get the tax office to sort it out for you.
You're employer has no right to know your previous salary.
If by some mad twist of ridiculous faith it did become an issue ---- 'I took an extra unpaid month off that year..... personal reasons'
Problem solved

KdjaCL

Could you not say if asked you missed some days or took unpaid holidays?

P45 only shows figures doesnt show hours or whatever way you were paid. You could even say you ojly went in one week in the year and this is what you got.

You wont get busted that way.

kdjac