3 Storey House and Sky

Kaskade

I live in a 3 storey terraced house and in the process of getting sky installed ive encountered a few problems, The rear of the house doesnt have a clear line with the dish as the row of houses is in the way so the installer said he could get a bracket to hang it out and 30cm and clear the house, this would have to be done right under the roof.

But yesterday he said that no one would be insured to go up the ladder to service/repair the dish if it was up that high so it will be sited on the roof of our shed,

Obviously I would prefer it on the house as its neater and theres less opportunity for theft/vandals,

Has anyone else encountered this with sky? or and idea's of alternative places to put the dish

Cheers

Tony

Originally posted by Kaskade


But yesterday he said that no one would be insured to go up the ladder to service/repair the dish if it was up that high so it will be sited on the roof of our shed,


Cheers

Sounds like he does not want to do it, he is either insured or not to do satellite installations and if he puts it up he should be the one to service/repair it. If he was not insured to put it up on the third storey then why would he suggest it in the first place?

Tony

BrianD

The guy is right. You can install it there but no one would be able to go up a ladder to service it because of the height. He doesn't have to service it if it is not safe to do so, Having said that he probably wouldn't be insured to install it at that height either!

At such heights he would at least need a two man crew, fall arrest equipment and possibly a hoist. I know NTL have their famous "two man crew with a long ladder" for doing cable installs on Georgian properties, many of which are effectively 3 storeys high.

Is satellite dish theft much of a problem?

leeroybrown

I've seen this problem before with painters and a tall three storey house. It was necessary to use a hoist for the highest section as ladders would have caused some form of regulation breach. The painter didn't use one so the guy who didn't get the contract (but had a hoist) complained to some official body.

Lex Luthor

anybody going over 2m from feet to ground should wear fall arrest equipment. That means every single installer should have them. Problem for them is where to tie on.

Tony

Originally posted by BrianD
The guy is right. You can install it there but no one would be able to go up a ladder to service it because of the height. He doesn't have to service it if it is not safe to do so, Having said that he probably wouldn't be insured to install it at that height either!

so why did he say " he could get a bracket to hang it out and 30cm and clear the house, this would have to be done right under the roof."

I really dont think this is an insurance issue, he simply changed his mind I feel.

Kaskade

It seems to me that he decided to put it on the bracket but after he went away he got advice that he wouldnt be insured/safe at that height and decided not to do it,

I couldnt imagine the insurance company/HSA allowing one person to get on those ladders for 3 storeys as the ones ive seen before tend to flex a bit when there being climbed,

Regrading the satellite theft unfortunately ive been naive about crime in the past and suffered for that so im sticking with better safe than sorry,

Thanks for the advice so far

BrianD

Tony, fair play if you would go up three stories on a ladder and then hang out of the eves!!

Tony

Originally posted by BrianD
Tony, fair play if you would go up three stories on a ladder and then hang out of the eves!!

Never said I would , I would simply advise the customer beforehand whats involved IE two man crew etc

Tony

BrianD

My information is that under health and safety a ladder can only be used for access and not for working (which would include installing a dish) . Also working over 2m you are supposed to be wearing fall arrest kit and somebody obviously needs to be footing the ladder if it's over 5 metres. Don't think the insurance co. would be dishing out the money if you fell from a ladder while installing a dish on a 3 storey house!

Mind you having to build a scaffold or hire a cherrypicker to comply with good H&S would make installing a dish very unattractive proposition!

I wonder how many falls there are in the satellite dish installation industry?

Tony

Originally posted by BrianD
Don't think the insurance co. would be dishing out the money if you fell from a ladder while installing a dish on a 3 storey house!

They wont dish out money if you are working 3 ft off the ground as insurance companies do not cover the installer they cover public liability IE if you damage property or hurt somebody.

Tony

BrianD

This is kind of going off topic but surely you must have employee liability? I would imagine all installers have their targets and one would hope that safety would not be risked just to keep a customer with an unusal install happy.

Tony

Originally posted by BrianD
This is kind of going off topic but surely you must have employee liability? I would imagine all installers have their targets and one would hope that safety would not be risked just to keep a customer with an unusal install happy.

there are very few employess in the satellite business 99 % are sub contract. I personally dont risk safety and some solution can usually be found. If I dont look after the customer somebody else will.

Tony

BrianD

True and unfortunately that's how people get killed or seriously injured on the job. The rush to make money often edges safety and welfare off the agenda. Anyway, thats my tuppenny worth.

make sure you have you have the harness in the van - they can put it on after you fall to keep the H&S and insurance folks happy!! :-)

Kaskade

Just like to point out that I did contact www.satellite.ie for the job first, But they didnt have anyone reliable in Galway at the time, I dont want to appear rude taking good advice from Tony and paying someone else to do the work.

Tony

Thats no problem, you are not being rude at all, even if I did have an installer in Galway its still your choice who you pay your money too, advice or not.

Tony

Satman

Originally posted by Tony
They wont dish out money if you are working 3 ft off the ground as insurance companies do not cover the installer they cover public liability IE if you damage property or hurt somebody.

Tony

Tony ,

I can assure you insurance companies DO COVER the installer if you have the correct type of insurance . It is usually limited to a certian height limit .

No one involved in satellite installation , or working at heights , either employed , sub-contractor or self employed should be operating without the CORRECT insurance . In the event of a personal injury claim where no insurance cover is in place , the tax payer ultimately picks up the tab .

Tony

Well I can show you several letters from insurance brokers declining to cover personal injury, but anyway this is really off topic and not going to go anywhere so lets agree to disagree.

Tony

I don't think it's off topic to discuss a reason why a three story house with no chimney might have trouble getting Sky installed.

The question was asked ye are answering it.
The problem being insurance with the height.
Discuss away...

I don't see how a painter getting insurance to paint the wall of a three story house should be any bigger a risk than a Sky installer, unless most insurers specify that you must have scaffolding?
Maybe thats the answer, hire out scaffolding for the day and charge accordingly...
If the man wants sky there, the mans gotta do , what the mans gotta do.
I presume NTL have got over this issue with three story houses?
I know chorus use extension ladders here locally, presumably insured while they are on them...

Creamy Goodness

i've sky installed and i live in a three storey house

the dish is on my roof but i have a sky light so the installer got up there.

but when one came out to repair the lnb he said he wouldn't do it cos of insurance.

Tony

Originally posted by Earthman
I don't think it's off topic to discuss a reason why a three story house with no chimney might have trouble getting Sky installed.

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I was referring to the personal injury insurance difference of opinion being off topic.

The Real B-man

They can mount them on the front or the back of your house i prusume its an old three story house in dublin so maybe restrictions i had sky installed on my chimney its a bungalow house but they are crap on the roof i had 8 months and the box and the LNB were ****ed most of my neighbours have it in the back garden on the wall i think it s better there easy service plus weather doesnt effect it as much

John R

It is against the law to put them on the front of your house.