Joey- Who will get the rights?

Zhane

who do you think will win the rights to show Joey(Friends spin-off) over here, TV3 or RTE/Network 2?

just wondering

Dewey

thats a good question, i havent really thought about it. i suppose Network 2 will get the rights as they have always have the rights to friends so they will have first option. i cant see Joey being a sucess, i think it will end after the first series. there are only so many dumb joey joke a person can take.:mad:

Agent Orange

Great, a whole TV series based around Joey saying "How YOU doin'?".

I'm so excited I could crap my pants.

flogen

I'd say Net2 have 1st dibs on it, and can pay more for it too

it is going to be dreadful, Joey was the best thing in the show a while back, now its the same stuff again and again, where theyre planning on going with him is beyond me, saying that, you can see why it happened...
Firstly, the company were probably keen to make some kind of spin-off, Friends is the biggest money spinner going, why let it die just like that?? (remember, quality doesnt come into their heads here).
Look at it this way; all the other friends have jobs that are boring, acting is the best out of the 6. It also allows easy script fitting for guest appearences etc. Also, Joey is the only one not tied down to another characther. Chandler & Monica are married, Ross & Racheal have a kid, and probably get together again, Phoebie (sp?) is married to that other guy....
Finally, look at it from the actors point of view, where else can they go? Well Anniston has had a critical hit in The Good Girl, and a box office one with Bruce Almighty, also her and Pitt have a company that are working on numerous projects. Cox did ok for herself with Scream, but also has afew films on the way (they look dodgy, but still). Perry did good with The Whole Nine Yards, and is working on a sequal, along with two other movies. Kudrow has just starred in Wonderland, and did well for herself in Analyse This/That, she also has 2 films on the way. Schwimmer has two dodgy looking sh*t piles on the way, but a show about him just wouldnt work..ever....no.. ever. Now.... what does Le Blanc have on the way? hmm? Yes, you got it... NOTHING! so for him, this is his perfect chance! He hasnt had a good movie yet (although Ed was an emotional rollercoaster for me... tears, fear, hatred, anger, pain....). Even Schwimmer was in Band Of Brothers, for god sake.

anyway.. thats why its gonna happen IMO, its worth a try, the studio/actors might squeeze a series or two out of it before America cops on and realises its the same joke for 30 minutes an episode, 12 episodes a series.

(all that info from www.imdb.com btw, incase you all thought I was a stalker... because I'm not, I just like to listen to them breath sometimes)

Flogen

Cork

I think Fraiser did very well as a sequel to Cheers. It is far too early to write off "Joey". It will be compared to cheers. But really there are not too many good comedy sitcomd in the US these days.

Fraiser, Sex and the City, Just shoot me etc. have ended.

Malcom is getting older.

There is a big market there for quqlity comedy.

TCamen

I think a more important question is "Will anyone watch it?"

The premise is lame and most of the actors signed on are sucky apart from Drea de Matteo (Adrianna in The Sopranos). Then again she must have an previously overlooked level of suckiness to even sign on to 'Joey' so who knows :rolleyes:

Can't stand that guy Paulo Costanzo guy. He was in Road Trip & 40 Days + 40 Nights....quality movies

Ashley Scott has gone for Dark Angel, to Birds of Prey to Joey. She's a mediocre actress with terrible instincts for choosing scripts "Wow, I'm on Joey. This can't POSSIBLY get canned like my other shows!".


It's not that I want Joey to fail, but even if this was a new sitcom minus the Friends spinoff character, it'd still sound lame. And the creators know all about lame sitcoms..Veronica's Closet and Jesse *ahem*
I think they seriously lucked out with Friends, but of course they'll continue churning out more sitcoms for NBC until all their Friends good faith runs out. Hopefully very soon after Joey fails to interest audiences.

Again, is there anyone bothered watching this wherever it ends up on TV?

Giblet

1 series then *poof*


Mark my words.

Cork

Veronica's Closet and Jesse

Point taken.

But the 5 actors of "friends" gelled together well.

Give "Joey" a chance.

weemcd

i heard there will also be a phoebie show, i really think the producers shoule quit now the franchise has been dragged to death. if it was still joey and chandler in a different city or something it might have worked, but now i dont think so.

ixoy

Hopefully noone will get the rights because, otherwise, the dark side in me will feel compelled to watch it, just like a child may place their hand on a hotplate despite knowing the pain and scarring that will result.

I have less and less hope for this show as the weeks go by, and Joey's intelligence reverts to that of primordial ooze. He works entirely by contrasting agains the others, not as a solo character. Indeed the only one who I could, maybe, tolerate on his own is Chandler.

Comparisons with Fraiser are also not to be made, as Fraiser wasn't a major character ever in "Cheers" so we knew little enough about him. We know far too much about "Joey", so there's much less room for him to develop. Fraiser was also saved by some great supporting casts, particularly - of course- the wonderful David Hyde Pierce. The casting news, and character outlines, for "Joey" sound dreadful. I'll give it a chance, as we all will, before, I'm sure, his mug will be wiped from my TV screen by my changing the channel.

Pigman II

Originally posted by ixoy
Hopefully noone will get the rights because, otherwise, the dark side in me will feel compelled to watch it, just like a child may place their hand on a hotplate despite knowing the pain and scarring that will result.

Well I'm sure I WON'T watch just like I've never watched 'Lost in Space' or 'Ed'. There's morbid curiosity and then there's Matt LeBlanc.

Originally posted by ixoy
Comparisons with Fraiser are also not to be made, as Fraiser wasn't a major character ever in "Cheers" so we knew little enough about him.

Frasier was a major character in Cheers. He made 20 guest appearances throughout season 3+4 and (as a member of the main cast) made 180 appeances in season 5-11. The only reason you may or may not have known anything about him (or Norm, Cliff and the rest for that matter) is because the show was almost entirely contained within the bar. That was the format of the show, so any lack of knowledge about the character was not due to his lack of screentime.

Irregardless, when you move a character to a new enviorment (eg Boston to Seattle, the Enterprise to DS9 or NewYorkCity to UpHisOwnArse) you basically wipe the slate clean and it generally doesn't really matter what went before.

Overall I agree with what you and the majority of people are forecasting. This show is gonna SUCK!

Zhane

i really hate when people prejudge a show before its even made yet. what makes you think that it will suck? It might, but you cant make the judgment until you actually see something, otherwise your just being prejudice....although some of us Irish are famous for that. :rolleyes:

Fuhrio

I think the plan is that joey becomes a successful actor, and moves outta new york, thats just something i heard, i could be wrong, i have to say i dont think this will ever be as good a spin off as frasier,i think he'll get a few series out of it until he moves on.

Pigman II

Originally posted by Zhane
otherwise your just being prejudice....although some of us Irish are famous for that. :rolleyes:

And you are being prejudical by automatically assuming that everyone here with a bad word to say about 'Joey' is Irish :rolleyes:

TCamen

i really hate when people prejudge a show before its even made yet. what makes you think that it will suck? It might, but you cant make the judgment until you actually see something, otherwise your just being prejudice....although some of us Irish are famous for that.

So we should all be falling over ourselves praising it? Yes it hasn't been on TV, but most ppl here have been making reasonable arguments why the show will most likely be crap. It'd be different if there was just lots of negativity without any reason.
As it stands, I totally think everything about this show screams 'mediocre' at best, but then that's just my opinion. Don't worry though, I'm sure everyone here is wrong, and the show will be The. Best. Sitcom. Ever.

Joey rules (even though I haven't seen it).

sceptre

Originally posted by ixoy
Comparisons with Fraiser are also not to be made, as Fraiser wasn't a major character ever in "Cheers" so we knew little enough about him. We know far too much about "Joey", so there's much less room for him to develop. Fraiser was also saved by some great supporting casts, particularly - of course- the wonderful David Hyde Pierce. The casting news, and character outlines, for "Joey" sound dreadful. I'll give it a chance, as we all will, before, I'm sure, his mug will be wiped from my TV screen by my changing the channel.

Originally posted by Pigman II
Frasier was a major character in Cheers. He made 20 guest appearances throughout season 3+4 and (as a member of the main cast) made 180 appeances in season 5-11. The only reason you may or may not have known anything about him (or Norm, Cliff and the rest for that matter) is because the show was almost entirely contained within the bar. That was the format of the show, so any lack of knowledge about the character was not due to his lack of screentime.

You're both making the same point really. And you both reckon this will suck AND blow, I suspect for the same reasons.

There was plenty of character development left in Frasier when Cheers ended. We'd seen Frasier Crane within the confines of the bar but didn't know all that much about the guy's personal or even professional life when the series ended. As for Joey Whatisface, he's a two dimensional character with little left to develop. He's a failed actor with his name made on one part he once played (oddly enough like the guy who plays him). We've seen most of whatever personal life the guy has, we've seen him act and we've seen him fail dismally at it. There's not much else.

Having said that, if people actually watch it they could stretch it to a few seasons. Joey is a crap actor in season one and no-one hires him. With hilarious results. In season two he gets a job and we get to see whatever rubbish he comes out with. With hilarious results. In season 3 they've realised they've nothing new to do so they make his girlfriend pregnant and we see the same plotlines we've seen in ever other "my girlfriend is pregnant" series. With hilarious results. In season 4 he gets fired from his big job and tries to turn the babby into a superstar. With hilarious results. Don't worry, it won't last that long. Two dimensional characters never do. Except for anyone ever played by Tony Danza. Tony will be guesting on "Joey" at some point anyway.

Giblet

Tony Danza should play Joey, you might not know the difference.

Seriously though, wouldn't it be great, if Joey became a male nanny to some family, and there was lots of sexual undertones?

Dr. Dre

Originally posted by Giblet
Tony Danza should play Joey, you might not know the difference.

Seriously though, wouldn't it be great, if Joey became a male nanny to some family, and there was lots of sexual undertones?

Urgh....make the bad man stop....

sceptre

Originally posted by Giblet
Tony Danza should play Joey, you might not know the difference.

Seriously though, wouldn't it be great, if Joey became a male nanny to some family, and there was lots of sexual undertones?

From last week's popbitch:

>> The one with the court case <<
Friends set is not so friendly

Friends is expected to get the biggest TV
audience in America since the finale of Mash
when it finally creaks to a halt next month.
At the same time a woman who worked on the
Friends set is taking a harrassment case to court.

Amaani Lyle claimed the set was rife with
explicit sexual comments from the show's writers
and producers. Some of the worst remarks were
aimed at Courtney Cox and Jennifer Aniston
and about David Schwimmer's sexual preferences.
She has also claimed that several writers wanted
to turn Joey's character into a serial rapist
and had constructed full scenes of how he would
rape the women.

Friends writers and producers agreed there
was "sexually coarse, vulgar and demeaning
language" on set but that this helped the show's
writing staff to develop better scripts

Joey's got skeletons in his closet.

ixoy

Ah yes, I remember reading that. Wouldn't it make the new series interesting? A new twist, a black comedy. We'd see his normal life and, at night, hints of his nocturnal activities. New characters could include the undercover cop who is trying to investigate the crimes but falls in love with Joey. The S1 cliffhanger could include a twist in the saga.
It'd all work especially well given that the media, in the States, is full of reports of the death of the sitcom genre. So we need ones with dramatic elements. I think this is an interesting premise and NBC should look into it.

segadreamcast

Originally posted by Giblet
1 series then *poof*

What...Joey will turn gay?

sceptre

Originally posted by NoelRock
What...Joey will turn gay?

Ah, in that case,

Season 5: Joey discovers why he prefers sandwiches to women. With hilarious results.

begbie

I'd say tv3 cause it probably won't be that good a show. Not that rte can say they only show good shows!

Zoton

It'll probably be the same as the spin off from "my big fat greek wedding". Record numbers for the first episode and then cancellation after a few weeks.

begbie

There was a spin off to "my big fat greek wedding"!!! :eek:

Elmo

There was a spin off to "my big fat greek wedding"!!!

No there was a TV series made from the Movie.

It's not that I want Joey to fail, but even if this was a new sitcom minus the Friends spinoff character, it'd still sound lame. And the creators know all about lame sitcoms..Veronica's Closet and Jesse *ahem*

Yes indeed however they also did Will and Grace (Not one of my favorites). TV3 got that.

I would say RTE will get it

zAbbo

Will and Grace is a far superior show to Friends

Elmo

Will and Grace is a far superior show to Friends

I am surprised it has survived as long as it has.

The only funny characters in this show are Your wan and your man, you know the other two.

An american version of Gimme Gimme Gimme where the main roles go to the Couple downstairs. (You know the black dude and the white chick)

IMO

TCamen

Yes indeed however they also did Will and Grace (Not one of my favorites). TV3 got that.

Marta Kaufman & David Crane are created 'Friends', 'Veronica's Closet', 'Jesse' and 'Joey'.

David Kohan and Max Mutchnick who created 'Will & Grace' are responsible for other sitcoms, but they are not associated with 'Friends' + the others at all, except that they all air(ed) on NBC.
Kohan & Mutchnick have created/produced various sitcoms:
Boston Common (exec producers)
Will & Grace (creators)
Good Morning, Miami (creators)

They have nothing to do with 'Friends' except that 'Will & Grace' currently airs on the same night on the same channel.

quote:There was a spin off to "my big fat greek wedding"!!!

No there was a TV series made from the Movie.

Definition of a spinoff from Hyperdictionary.com

[n] a product made during the manufacture of something else.
[v] produce as a consequence or an unplanned result.

'My Big Fat Greek Life' was indeed a consequence/ unplanned result of the movie 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding'. Therefore it is a spinoff.
It was a terrible sitcom that deserved to get canned. Much like 'Joey' will.

Go Figure!

Originally posted by Elmo
I am surprised it has survived as long as it has.

The only funny characters in this show are Your wan and your man, you know the other two.

An american version of Gimme Gimme Gimme where the main roles go to the Couple downstairs. (You know the black dude and the white chick)

IMO

Well its a damn sight better then Gimme, Gimme Gimme ever was and I actually find all of the cast very funny. Karen Walker is a classic sitcom character if I ever saw one. This whole discussion is pointless anyway there is no point commenting on Joey until we have seen it. Any comments made at the moment are pure speculation and have no foundation. To answer the original question I would say Network Two will buy the rights and broadcast it in Friends's current slot on Monday nights at 9.00 from next January.;)

Elmo

TG4 could get it.

'My Big Fat Greek Life' was indeed a consequence/ unplanned result of the movie 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding'. Therefore it is a spinoff.

By changing the name we have a spin off?
same characters,
different situations,
life based in the same part of town.

My Big Fat Greek Life
Based on the Movie
My Big Fat Greek Wedding

MASH and Clueless where both spinoffs I guess.

TCamen

By changing the name we have a spin off?

Yes, amazingly spinoffs can have different names e.g 'Frasier' was a spinoff of 'Cheers'.
But seriously, in the case of 'My Big Fat Greek Life', they're the same characters, played mostly by the same actors, in a continuation of the same story. How could it not be a spinoff?

Elmo

Yes, amazingly spinoffs can have different names e.g 'Frasier' was a spinoff of 'Cheers'.

Yes Frasier is a spin off from Cheers but only deals with one character (at that a reoccuring character) not all of the character from cheers

Again Joey will be a spin off for the same reason.

As for Law And Order and CSI the spin off are just in name and in style.

However

Clueless, MASH and My Big Fat Greek Life are not spin offs because

they're the same characters, played mostly by the same actors, in a continuation of the same story

Rather it is a TV Series based on a Movie.

TCamen

OK, last thing I'm going to suggest for you, so that you might understand the concept of a spinoff. Go to the Internet Movie DataBase IMDB

Type in ANY of those movies you've mentioned, for example 'Clueless'. Go to 'Movie Links' on the side panel, and under spinoff you will notice it mentions 'Clueless' the TV series.
Similarly ' My Big Fat Greek Wedding' lists 'My Big Fat Greek Life' under spinoff.
These series originated because these movies existed and were successful. Also by that token, movies such as 'The South Park Movie' & 'The Addams Family' are movie spinoffs of successful TV series.
Here's a rudimentary list of various Movie Spinoffs of TV series.

Spinoff Movies

Yes Frasier is a spin off from Cheers but only deals with one character (at that a reoccuring character) not all of the character from cheers

I don't know where you got the idea that a spinoff can only contain one character from a movie/other TV series. By that theory 'The Lone Gunman' is completely independent from 'The X-Files' because it features 3 characters originated from it's parent show. Yet it is indeed a spinoff.
Anyway I hate to clog up this 'Joey' thread with off-topic stuff, so that's all I'm gonna say about it. :cool:

Elmo

Anyway I hate to clog up this 'Joey' thread with off-topic stuff, so that's all I'm gonna say about it.

Ok fine.

But

Spin Off IMO is a show that happens because of another show.

Where when something is based on MOVIE/BOOK etc they are not Spin Offs but Continuations of similar stories to that Movie or Book.

IMO Clueless (both movie and tvshow) is based on the Book Emma it is not a spin off to Emma.

I mean the movie and the TV show are basically the same, something that is the same as is not a spin off. IMO.

As for the movie of the X-files I beleive that it just a movie continuation of the series, the movies of Star Trek are not spin offs however Star Trek TNG, Enterprise etc are spin offs. (Prehaps Spin way out of Control.)



Joey is a spin off. and that is final we both agree with that.

Thank you for your time.

I agree to disagree.

flogen

while is see your point elmo, i have to disagree with you.
my opinion of a spin off is something that is spun off the back (and usually success) of another show/film/video game/whatever, which is directly linked in some way.

The star trek films are a spin off of the tv show, just like the star wars cartoon is a spin off of the films. clueless is a spin off of the film which is an adaptation of the book. the difference is the show would not have existed had the film been a flop.

generally all spin offs are continuations of a story. Mork and Mindy was a continuation of a story behind a character that appeared in Happy Days, Joey will be a continuation of the story in Friends of Joey leaving NY. The Star Trek movie was a continuation of the TV series... basically a long episode, but still a spin off as it is a new medium.

The point is, and we can all agree, that Joey looks dodgy, it might prove me wrong, but i approach it with alot of sceptisism

Flogen

Elmo

Mork and Mindy was a continuation of a story behind a character that appeared in Happy Days

Mindy was in Happy Days? or Mork? i assume Mindy.

Unusual spin off for happy days.

What's the story with that?

Seriously, I know they sound like daft questions but I did not know this.

Now my life has been turn up side down.

I hated Happy Days, but saddly enjoyed Mork And Mindy.

ixoy

Originally posted by Elmo
Mindy was in Happy Days? or Mork? i assume Mindy.

Nope. According to tvtome, Mork first appeared in Episode 110 - "My Favourite Orcan". And yes "Happy Days" had indeed jumped the shark at this point (or, more pointedly, the Fonz did in Episode 91 - "Hollywood (Part 3 of 3)").

Elmo

Mork first appeared in Episode 110

Sorry for getting so off the topic but one more question

Was Robin Williams Mork in Happy Days?

or was it the younger version of Mork (i.e. a younger verison if ya know what I mean)

ixoy

Originally posted by Elmo
Sorry for getting so off the topic but one more question

Was Robin Williams Mork in Happy Days?

or was it the younger version of Mork (i.e. a younger verison if ya know what I mean)

It was Robin Williams and it was his first big TV break.

TCamen

Nanoo Nanoo.

That is all.

Oh and 'Joey' rocks.

Elmo

It was Robin Williams and it was his first big TV break.

Sorry people sorry Last question.

Did he look older in Happy Days which is Set in the 50's?

And since you get younger as you get older where he is from he should be older in Happy days.

Oh and back to Joey, YES HE DOES INDEED ROCK.

Friends was good tonight.

I think Joey will miss Pheobe.

sceptre

Originally posted by Elmo
Did he look older in Happy Days which is Set in the 50's?

And since you get younger as you get older where he is from he should be older in Happy days.

Well, if he used time travel to get from the 1950s to 1978...

flogen

And since you get younger as you get older where he is from he should be older in Happy days.

something tells me they didnt plan that much into Morks species when he was meant to be a once off character in 1 episode.

Flogen

Elmo

something tells me they didnt plan that much into Morks species when he was meant to be a once off character in 1 episode.

Good answer and now I can rest and get the whole mork mindy happy days thing out of my head.

However....

Well, if he used time travel to get from the 1950s to 1978...

This does raise some questions.

1. Is time travel possible?
2. If so could we ever get this tread back to where it began?