Dun Laorghaire port. points.......

Teddi

uhhh.....i got my points from the college today....

i applied to fine art and graphic design....

in both i got 600 out of 600..........im really chuffed....its only...i appied to n.c.a.d also and i got 620 out of their higher mark...1000........but no-one ever gets near that....

i know a teacher in n.c.a.d and he said that the best points this year were in the mid 600's......so im well chuffed with that too....

but im a lil confused now....coz i was dead set on n.c.a.d...but dun laorghaire obviously liked me...lol....

anyone know what i should do?......the core year is good in n.c.a.d...im a bit lost to what direct i want to go in thats why the core year is advantagious.....shud i just leave D.L alone??....

wiensta

**** what dun laoghaire think, do what youd prefer.

I can assure that once your in a course there things change with the tutors, there actually all in competition at the interviews.

DadaKopf

Definitely go where you want to go.

I never went to art college, but judging from last year's end of year's shows in NCAD and Dun Laoghaire, NCAD was better in both fine art and graphic design.

Obviously, the students had a lot to do with it, but I found the fine art in Dun Laoghaire particularly underworked and the graphic design out of date, possibly reflecting bad teaching.

NCAD's fine art students' pieces seemed more 'finished' but possibly also more pretentious. The graphic design was much better - generally a much higher standard, more up-to-date, but not quite up to DIT's level.

This is just personal opinion, of course. Dun Laoghaire's photography department is excellent, so it's a good college, and I remember one or two very good graphic design pieces.

peeps

really the quality of work in fine art courses changes each year with the different students that are in a year, you could get a group of people that really inspire and challenge each other to do better work or you can get a group that are not motivated enough.
i personally dont think dun laoghaire is good for fine art, its better for the more technical courses like photography, animation or film and tv.
core year is definatly a good thing if you are unsure of which area you would like to specialize in.

spectacleinrock

dun laoighaire ..... tech skills????
Not a chance, they dont care about your tech skills its all about how your mind works! which is a prob cause you do need technical skills personally i think the fine art coming out of ncad is really dated, but then dun laoighaire while being very experimental lacks direction. Take a trip around both colleges see which one you can actually imagine being in for the next 4 years... thats what it really boils down to. If your going to be a successful artist, its all about your drive- and who you meet a long the way. And as ireland is so small you meet the important people along the way in any of the colleges here. i agree with the graphics comment - last years stuff was really dated in dl but i really think that was to so with the year rather than the course

The only thing about the fine art course in both id that if you are a painter do not go to DL but if you are into installation , new media etc do - it has far far far better facilites due to the fact it is now the national college of film, and has a fantastic photography course.

pork99

If I was starting again I would go abroad.

Maybe the Netherlands for Graphic Design? London for either fine art or graphics.

When I was in Limerick art school (back in the 90s) studying for a graphics degree we had an external examiner from Utrecht Art Academy. There was also a Dutch exchange student, he was chatting to her in Dutch and she said that he told her that he thought art & design courses in Ireland are about 10 years behind the equivalent in the Netherlands.

Also, I could be wrong here, I've heard that in European colleges the standard degree is the equivalent of a masters degree here. (Takes a year or 2 longer to get obviously but I've known people take 6 or 7 years to get a BA degree here; maybe 1 or 2 years in Ballyfermot, 3 years in Athlone IT, 2 years in NCAD)

It makes sense - up to about 35 years ago there was only one art college here, NCAD and it only taught fine art and art education. Design courses were introduced there in the mid 70s. Other countries such as the Netherlands and Britain have had design education since the 19th century.

I have found that unless you graduate from a Dublin college your degree is not taken too seriously in this country anyway. Which is a bit tragic because you only have to go as far as Birmingham or Manchester and no one has even heard of NCAD, Dun Laoghaire IT, Limerick IT or the Crawford etc you are just an Irish designer

btw I don't have a very high opinion of the design degree in Limerick but from what I know from friends who went to NCAD their one is not much better.