British University Outdoor Champs Invite

Aryzel

We've been informally invited to send a team to British University Outdoor Champs.

It's at lilleshall, on the 19th of june and everybody shoots an albion (3doz each at 80yds, 60yds and 50yds) except ladies recurve who shoot a windsor(3doz each at 60/50/40yds). (not sure target size yet)

Team would be 4 max, i think. and its not confirmed or anything, depends on their final numbers and if they can fit us in.

Anyone interested?

trig

Its a 122cm target for all distances. And thats a 5 zone target, scored 1,3,5,7,9. There is no 10, or any other even number for that matter.
Also the distances in meters work out as 80yrds = 73m, 60yrds = 55m, 50yrds = 46m, 40yrds = 36.5m.
Pretty damn awkward
I can't go I'm afraid. I'll be out of the country at that time.

mhairesa

when you're used to shooting ladies fita those distances sound rather easy!!!! but the scoring it kind of makes up for it, but you never know the brittish ladies could be worse than i am and i could get a half decent placing!! (as if) but i think it would be worth it for the experience! and im sure we'd have a laugh as a team.
what way would funding work out for it? how many ppl would be allowed to go?and who would get to pick?

halenger

Sounds like fun.

Renegade_Archer

Me and Sinead got invited last year, but didnt get around to going... Id be interested in going if Im in the country and Im shooting half decently at the time.

Aryzel

I was asking about the world university stuff on Saggitarius board, and the guy runing the British uni champs, sent me a message. I don't mind organising this, i'd like to go, even if i'm not shooting, but if some of ye probably know much more about this kinda stuff than me, ye shot in euronationals ect., and i can give him your email address if ye want to arrange things?


Funding:
Probably self funding, but you can its intervarsities so you can put it against club expenses, if your out of money you could probably get refunded in october, no idea how useful IAAA is for funding?

Number of people:
Should have numbers by 20th May at the latest, but probably 4 people or so.

Picking team:
There is a FITA in Kilkenny on the 5,6 June another with Blackheath at Summerhill on 13th (to be confirmed). Or simply have a competitive practice session at Dublin Archers one of the Fridays/Sundays.
I guess a possible team shortlist would be Ciaran, Sinead, Maire, Keith, Ewan, Daniel, (Noel will be america i think).

trig

I could be wrong about this, so I'm open to corrections but I think the organisers website says that the deadline for entering a team (under general entry anyway) was months ago. As in the 20th of January.

Yes, I've just checked that was the deadline for general entry. The general entry seems to be a statement of "Ireland is sending a team and Mr X is the contact". An intent to participate as it says on the form. Each country may send a maximum of 12 archers but only 3 may compete in each individual category. There is a "Quantitatives" entry but that seems to be for just getting numbers and categories etc. That deadline was the 21/4/04 anyway so we're still too late. Somebody would have to contact them and ask for special treatment from what I can gather.

These forms are on the organiser's website under the "Sport Aspects" tab then "Inscriptions".

Sorry to burst your bubble. The organiser's contact email address is info@uniarc04.com if you want to give it a shot Aryzel.

Aryzel

ahh, sorry maybe i wasn't been clear, was talking about the world uni champs, and the guy organising the british champs, invited us to the british uni champs

trig

Yeah, copped on to that as soon as I posted it and read your post again. Ah well.

Its a good idea to go over, but those Windsor and Albion rounds are quite strange. Does it strike anybody in Britain as strange that the rest of the world shoots standardised FITA rounds and they're the only people shooting these imperial rounds?
And you'd think students would be the most progressive archers. Go figure. Still, nice of them to invite us. I hear their indoor nationals was one of the biggest tournaments in Europe this year. You think Ciaran, Keith, Daniel and Ewan can compete with them?
I hear one of their women has already qualified for Athens so the Cuthberts might find the going a bit tough. Second instead of first eh?

madrab

sounds interesting but there is the problem of having absolutely no money


anyone wana sponser me/give me money/rent me/buy me?

:-)

Renegade_Archer

I'll rent ya, but you have to supply the gloves.

Aryzel

DIT would be basically be sending over a team to compete against, universities from England, Scotland, and Wales. Also would be representing ireland.

If you can't knock a few quit out of the college for that......

Aryzel

if found the results from last years competition, however since they are in the weird british rounds i've no idea whats good :P

they are in file: 03results.xls

www.irreal.net/downloads

if anyone can figure them out

halenger

If my simple quick maths is right it seems comparable to about 2439 in our scoring system.

I think so anyhow. Basic maths was score / number of hits (432 considered to be max). Which yields an 8.13 average.

Could be very wrong though.

toxof

They were either
St. Geroge - 36 @100yds - 36 @80yds and 36 @ 60yrds
Albion -36 @80yds - 36 @60yds and 36 @ 50yrds
Windsor - 36 @60yds - 36 @50yds and 36 @ 40yrds

This is 108 arrows, so those who hit them all are good, unless the comp was a windsor.

I would say it was either an albion or windsor.

The top few scores are very good.

toxof

comparable to about 2439 in our scoring system

You cant realy compare them.
You are thinking of indoors which is only 30 arrows per round. And unlike here they only shoot 9 dozen arrows, where we shoot 12 dozen.
They are wimps

And as TRIG noted earlier they dont even use a 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 target face. So its like a different sport

halenger

Twas only intended as an extremely general comparrison.

Just to translate them into scores we understand.

Nothing to do with distances.

Anyhow yeah they seem pretty good.


I'd think we'd mainly go for the experience. I'm sure winning/doing well would be nice but we're kinda being invited as an after thought. Wonder if we won would they ever invite us again?

toxof

I wont be able to go, I will be in America all summer.
The rest if DIT are intrested, except TRIG, he will be in Canada.

I think any one who does well at the first few Irish comps and if there is space then the first to fill the spaces should go.

Renegade_Archer

Got the job offer today, so looks like I will be in Germany for the summer.

So I wont be around for the British Universities.


However, Id personally be more in favour of setting a qualifying score, and bring those who meet it. I know this might sound a bit harsh, but end of the day this is a fairly serious competition, and ppl missing the targets would make us look bad. Im not saying the score has to be something massive, just enough to prove one wont make a muppet of oneself (AKA the 585 in the Junior EuroNations - not impossible to get, just required a certain degree of cop on...)


Feel free to ignore this, just my 2c....



Regards


Ewan

Aryzel

we are probably going to have quite limited numbers so its likely that only the pretty good archers we have will go anyways. there is also the chance that there will be no room for us remember.

But just in case, i imagine that getting at worst 30 hits out of 36 at 70m for gents, and the same for ladies at 50m is a reasonable basic minimum.

Aryzel

having ~6/8 misses would place someone around mid third of the results from last year, in general, sorta :P for the gents.

Sinead and Maria are the only two possible ladies shooters, and i don't think they would have any trouble getting all hits at 55m, especially since its all 122cm targets.

Renegade_Archer

Ah yes, 122cm faces at 50m. Memories.


*Gets all nostalgic and weepy*

halenger

122cm at 50m?! Yikes... Even I could hit that.

That for the ladies competition?

Renegade_Archer

122cm / 50m is used in two competitions from my youth:


The Junior Euronations (122cm at 60,50,and 40m)


and


The Irish Open (Junior Section)





Happy days.

Aryzel

Gents: 36arrows at: 80,60,50 yards = 73,55,46 meters all on 122cm Target
Ladies: 36arrows at: 60,50,40 yards = 55,46,36 meters all on 122cm Target

Scoring colours:
White = 1
Black = 3
Blue = 5
Red = 7
Gold = 9

trig

Well Sinéad and Keith are available to go and Ciarán is a maybe. I think everything is waiting till after his finals. Thats all the top notch archers that DIT have available.

I have applied for funding for the DIT MEMBERS of the team. Its hard enough to get funding at the best of times but at the end of the year its next to impossible so I wouldn't hold my breath. I won't know if we'll get anything till next wednesday at the earliest. Assuming people are staying in Lilleshall, a nights stay and entry fee come to £51 which is about €75 each for one night.

And don't forget entries have to be in by the 20th of May. I think it might be a good idea to appoint a team manager and let them organise the detail from here on in. You interested Aryzel? You seem to have the contacts with the BUSA anyway. Assuming thats OK with everybody else of course.

mhairesa

podge, how would DCU be about giving money for it? would it be too late to ask for funding?

Did anybody think of asking the IAAA? the worst they could say is no!!:)

halenger

No chance sorry. There's no more SCC meetings until October so there's no money there. There's some in our bank account but that'd you'd have to discuss with the new committee.

Anyhow I'm no longer on the committee etc. Retirement.

I'd love to be able to go and shoot. I really really would but I've not the experience under my belt.

Must try get to a competition or 2 soon.

Is there just the Carlow competition before the date?

toxof

Did anybody think of asking the IAAA? the worst they could say is no!!

I asked Richard for funding for it.
His replay "no Way"
they are broke and are sending three archers to the european championships.
Its costing them thousands for those three alone.

halenger

Originally posted by toxof
they are broke

Lol!! Funniest thing I've read in weeks. Like hell they are. Might I suggest going to the AGM. That's the only time I've ever heard mention of the ridiculous amount of money they're hoarding in their bank account.

toxof

I was at the AGM. I know you were but were you awake. Last year they had €14K and nearly €6K of that went to Keith Hanlon and Richard Darcy for the world championships.

This year there funding was cut and they have lowered the price of student/junior membership and already this year Keith has gone to three different International events, all partly funded be IAAA.
At the european championships this summer there are three archersgoing. the entry fee is €250 and €100 per official. Accomadation is €100 per night.

Also this summer the IAAA are hosting the Euronations. They do cost money to organise.
They do not have the money to spend on students, I wish they had but they dont.
At Galway Robert Dagger was talking to us about sending a team to an international intervarsity event next year, if we can shoot 550s.

If you need money from the IAAA you ask the year before, so they can budget for it.
If you dont believe me ask Richard for funding yourself..

madrab

toxof has issues!


:-)


iaaa-lover-boy

Aryzel

After or near the 20th May, the BUSA guy will let me know how many spaces they have left, and we are invited to fill them, so their isn't really a entry deadline for us. I don't mind organising things, shouldn't be much more complicated than an normal intevarsity really......?

As for funding, i know i'll pay for the competition myself and then, take the money back of maynooth in september ( note 'take' not 'ask for' ).

I'd like to go, and provided i'm able to hit 70m ok (30,50 are no problem) i'll probably shoot if there is enough room. Oh, and does Gary shoot outdoors? a full university team is 4, so if DIT is able to send a full 4 it would be cool, or if ye can get a fake DIT student card for Maire :P

Renegade_Archer

Hey now, dont rule out Daniel just yet... he aint got the Junior EuroNations experience but as the UL IV showed hes a capable shooter

halenger

I'm sure Maire would be quite proud to represent DCU.

I'm love to go and shoot but unless they've a tonne of places and I start practising that's not really gonna happen!

Must reread this thread and find out what the distances are again.

halenger

70m is tough without a lotta practise. I've hit it but not terribly reliably.

Keep us all informed of the details anyhow. Some of us might like to go along to see the competition etc.

trig

All I've been able to get out of DIT sports council is €100. Thats all we've got I'm afraid. The max number of team members we could supply is 3: Keith, Sinéad and Ciarán, but Sinéad is doubtful, and Ciarán has yet to commit.

And btw, you should all be able to hit 70m. Even a bit of outdoor practice would be enough to make sure you do. Even Podge

halenger

Oi!!

I can hit 70m, not consitently though.

Haven't felt happy/comfortable with archery at all this year. Don't seem to be able to get the practise in or get the bow fitness. Quite frustrating.

We'll see what happens. Might go outdoors this week since our halls are out of action due to exams. Anyone gonna be there Tuesday/Friday?

More than likely will go the week after anyhow.