Quick Processor Question???

eirebhoy

I am buying a DELL in the next few minutes but I'm stuck between getting the Intel Celeron Processor 2.6GHz or paying 160 euro extra for the
Intel Pentium 4 Processor 2.80GHz. Is it worth an extra 160? and whats the difference?

phreak

get the P4... celerons are SHIT

eirebhoy

Originally posted by Phreak
get the P4... celerons are SHIT

Actually when I include Vat it costs 200 all together. Is it really worth it for someone who uses the computer for nothing more than the internet and downloads?

Sleipnir

no. only really for heavy application use (games etc)

eirebhoy

Does it mean it will be more likely to have problems (crashes, etc.) and will it not last as long?

Stephen

It'll last just as long, won't cause crashes or anything, it just doesn't perform as well as the equivalent P4. If you intend to play any games at all or use any really cpu-heavy applications I really would not recommend a celeron. For the likes of normal Office apps and web browsing it will be fine though.

po0k

dude, just get a second hand P3 or something
you shouldn't be spending more than €600 total for you machine if all you do is browse.
Christ, Minit-ITX would be right up your alley.

Woden

no you will be more no more likely to have crashes and the chip will last just as long.

one of the main differences between celerons and actual p4's i think is the l2 cache, its about 128kb on a celeron and 512kb on a p4 and the fsb 400mhz on a celeron to 800mhz on the p4. i suppose that if it outputs less heat due to less cache it could even last longer.

eirebhoy

Originally posted by SyxPak
dude, just get a second hand P3 or something
you shouldn't be spending more than €600 total for you machine if all you do is browse.

Well, the Dell I am buying costs 540 (incl. VAT+Del) in total and a free printer/scanner/copyer combo. At the moment I am using a PIII 1Gz so I assume the Celeron 2.6 will perform better. BTW - How much would it cost to buy 256MB ram to add to the PC?

Cheers.

Woden

why are you upgrading though if you don't need to?

to add 256mb of ram to the dell pc, check there website i won't recommend upgrading it any other way as it will void the warranty.

if you looking for some comptabile ddr ram from komplett or something i'd say you could it for about €50 or so.

eirebhoy

Originally posted by Dataisgod
why are you upgrading though if you don't need to?

The PC is in bits, I'm having loads of problems with it and I'll be happy to see it go.

BadCharlie

If you are getting errors and crashing what you could do is just format the harddrive and reinstall windows that came with the computer.

Woden

Originally posted by eirebhoy
The PC is in bits, I'm having loads of problems with it and I'll be happy to see it go.

yeah can give it to me if ya want ,

well if ya have the money and you really don't want to game or whatever the celeron should do you fine

ozt9vdujny3srf

I think you should order the parts off www.komplett.ie and build the system yourself. For 600 euro you could built an O.K. system around an athlon xp processor.

Myself i would never touch a celeron with a barge pole - they are awful yokes.

If its possible you could also get a 2.4 ghz pentium 4 from the dell site, as it far outperforms any celeron,[edit haviing glanced through the site, they dont seem to sell the 2.4ghz]

anyways have a look at the following on komplett :

512mb 333mhz ddr ram
athlon xp 2500+
nforce 2 based motherboard with onboard gfx / sound
antec sonata case (@elara.ie)
ide seagate barracuda hdd (whatever size you think you need)
then your monitor / keyboard / mouse - all really a matter of preference. No point on replacing these if you are happy with what you have already. The same applies to your disk drives, no need to replace them unless you want a cd-rw or dvd drive.

As for putting the stuff together - dont worry, a monkey could do it.


(was just looking through the dell website, they charge 100 euro to go from 256 to 512 mb of ddr ram, thats ****in ridiculous, i paid 70 euros per 512mb stick of corsair value a while back)

astrofool

celeron 2.6ghz is about the same as a p4 1.8ghz, maybe a little worse (a duron 1.6ghz beats it in alot of benchmarks actually).

eirebhoy

Originally posted by BadCharlie
If you are getting errors and crashing what you could do is just format the harddrive and reinstall windows that came with the computer.

Its definitely hardware problems. I keep telling people its crashing but its actually restarting, something inside is failing. I know I can get it repaired but I just want to get rid of it TBH.

yeah can give it to me if ya want

I was told I'll get about 150-200 for the parts so thats what I'm doing.

The deals on dell end today and I still havn't made up my mind what to do. I put two 2 euro football bets on and all my teams won yesterday, 3 still have to play and I can win 160 euro. If the dell deal ended tomorrow I would wait to see if I won my bet (which looks likely) and if I did I would get the P4.

Ah feck it, the Celeron will do me for the time being and I'll build a proper one when I get the money.

Cheers all.

unkel

Originally posted by eirebhoy
At the moment I am using a PIII 1Gz so I assume the Celeron 2.6 will perform better.

Not much I'm afraid

The Dell offer is fine if you don't have a computer and need one and only use it for light applications and surfing etc. Like others said, wipe your harddisk and reinstall your operating system. You won't know what hit ya when it's all back up and running

eirebhoy

In the end I decided to go with the P4. I could have easily just upgraded the original Dell dimension 2400 to P4 for the extra 200 (which I was planning to do) but I decided to see what price the dimension 4600 would be and it was actually 740 too. So, in the end I actually got a P4 with 512MB Ram and a better system all round for the same price.:)

Standard Features: Intel 865P chipset with support for Dual Channel DDR
Equipped with Microsoft® Windows® XP operating system
Support For Intel® Pentium® 4 Processors with 533MHz System Base
Midnight grey mini-tower with 8 USB 2.0 ports, 3 PCI slots and AGP 8x slot
Integrated 10/100 Pro Ethernet
Norton AntiVirus 2003 (with 90 days free virus updates)
No Floppy Drive as standard
.

Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition (Why not upgrade to Windows® XP Professional?)

Easter Saving!: Easter Saving (GBP 14 Inc Vat) already included in system price

Choose an Accessory!: Dell All-in-One Printer A920 (Print, Scan & Copy)- 14/8 ppm; 4800 x 1200 dpi (USB cable not incl.). See recommended accessories below.

Online Saving - Free Delivery!: FREE Delivery

Enhanced Support Packs: 1 Year Collect and Return Service (-EUR - EUR 149.00)

Processor Upgrade: Intel Pentium 4 Processor 2.80GHz

Memory: 512MB Dual Channel DDR (2X256MB DIMM)

Hard Drive: 40GB (7200rpm) IDE Hard Drive

Video Card: 128MB GeForce FX5200 8x AGP card with dual monitor support, TV-Out via S-Video and DVI

Monitor: Dell 17" Value (15.9" VIS) CRT Monitor

2nd Monitor: Not Included

CD ROM, DVD, Read-Write Drives: 48x/32x/48x/16x CDRW/DVD-ROM combo drive

Speakers: Dell Stereo Speakers

Sound Card: On-Board Sound

IEEE 1394: Not Included

Dell Picture Studio: Choose Your Upgrade Below

Modem: Dell v92 Data/Fax Modem

Wireless Connectivity: Not Included

Keyboard: Dell Standard Keyboard

Mouse: Dell PS/2 Scroll Mouse

Software: Microsoft® Works 7.0

Woden

while your at it you should really go for the 9800pro upgrade for 100 well worth it. but even if you don't least you have an agp slot should you decent to game in future

data

red_ice

Originally posted by Phreak
get the P4... celerons are SHIT

Get an athlon! Pentiums are shit!

tman

aye, athlons all the way for budget pcs.
seeing as you already have a monitor & cd drives, you could've gone for a nice chieftec case, 2500+, 512mb pc3200 ram, 120gb hd & a raddy 9600xt for more or less the same price

still though, dells are decent enough machines if you just want a hassle free pc that works straight away

unkel

Originally posted by Dataisgod
while your at it you should really go for the 9800pro upgrade for 100 well worth it. but even if you don't least you have an agp slot should you decent to game in future

data

Totally agree, although the Dimension 4600 series does come with an AGP slot unlike the 2400 series


The 9800 pro upgrade is one of the best value upgrades I have seen on Dell

eirebhoy

When I ordered the PC they asked me to choose a free gift, I chose the A920 All in One Inkjet Printer but I checked the receipt and they charged me 46.44 (excl. VAT). I'm nearly positive it was free because they never gave me an option of taking a gift or not. The other "free" gifts were an MP3 player or digital camera. Does anyone know why I was charged?

unkel

The printer is free alright - has been for several weeks now

Maybe it's just the way Dell priced it internally. Was the bottom line price the same as you expected? If not sure, go back to the website and configure it again to see the price

So I take it you didn't get the 9800 pro?

eirebhoy

Originally posted by unkel
The printer is free alright - has been for several weeks now

Maybe it's just the way Dell priced it internally. Was the bottom line price the same as you expected? If not sure, go back to the website and configure it again to see the price

So I take it you didn't get the 9800 pro?

The price is what I expected but they still shouldn't tell me I'm getting a free gift.

No I stuck with the 4600, I'm going over my budget for that anyway.

jozi

only read a few post, as far as you asking how much ram is

here's a good site for reasonabley priced ram www.shop4memory.com

also pcworld in blanch seem to be cheap enough for ram