I think I had a spiked drink

LegacyUser

Hey
As the title says I think I drank a spiked drink. I was out on friday night with a few friends I had about 6 pints between 10 and 1:30 and 3 vodkas and a red bull from 1:30 till the club turned off the music and opened the doors , about 3:00am. all night a female friend was getting a LOT of attention from a middle aged guy , a friend who works in the club we were in told me that he was one of the strangest individuals he ever met but I thought nothing of it for the rest othe night. That carry on went on for a while and a friend of hers put his arm around her shoulder and sat down on the couch with her , and that seemed to be that , but the guy was still allways hovering around her. Anyway as we were leaving I noticed she never touched her drink to any extent so I made a wee jibe at her and she said it tasted weired. I took it and drank it anyway (in hindsight I cant help but be suspicious that the drink may have been spiked) , but I thought nothing of it because the club is not known for having the best stock of drink in the world . Just before I headed out I went to the jacks , and leaving them is the last solid memory I have. I remember being in my friends house and remarking how unbelievebly wasted I was , I rember being in his toilet and seeing sick in the bath and in the toilet and then his voice at the door asking if I was really allright . then I woke up the next morning. I have no recolection of the taxi ride home but I must have given the guy directions because we live miles out in the country ,
I was on the internet when I came back as well , but the only way I know that is because there was a glass of water by the computer in the morning and my jacket was on the chair in front of the computer which my brother said was left on when he was going to work that morning . I dont even remember walking back to my friends house which is a good mile and a walk that you need to keep looking over your shoulder. another thing is that I've been getting closed eye visuals all day , the forms are not the random stuff you usually see and patterns were kind of waving when I looked at them. While I know that what I drank was probably more than is healthy , I usually drink more when I go out and remember every detail of the night , Im not saying I would be sober but never once in my life have I been so utterly destroyed as I was last night. evern when I drank 3 litres of cheap red wine in my first week at college I was able to rember what happened , even if it was just hazy , but last night is a total and utter blank. even as I type this now I feel stoned and my fammily has been giving me funny looks all day.

Anyway I want to know , do you thing that the drink could have been dodgy or is it possible that what I am used to drinking could have just hit me really badly on the night?
As I said Im not in the best form mentally , so sorry about any typing errors that have inebitibly crept in.

Sarky

6 pints, 3 vodkas, and another drink? You're lucky you remember going to the toilet.

It might have "just" been a blackout, but surely you must admit that it was rather silly to drink something that tasted funny left behind by a woman who was getting attention from a suspicious wierdo?

Try talking to the folks you were out with, see if they can help fill in any blanks, maybe doing that will form a clearer picture of exactly what happened. I wouldn't rule anything out until you have a better idea of what all the "missing scenes" are.

SprostonGreen

I never ever black out, I always remember everything from a night on the piss.

A few months back I had a few drinks and then an E, once the pill kicked in, I have little or no memory. We were at a mates house and I was in bits, my mates brought me home and I sat up drinking with them for about 45 mins.

I have absolutely no recollection of this, the pill was laced with rohypnol. My mates who brought me home dont do pills (neither do I normally, years ago I did) and they said everybody at the party on yokes were completely off their heads, not in the usual way.

So to answer your question, yes the drink was spiked, probably with rohypnol.

Sleepy

Rohypnol isn't actually that available in Ireland...

For years I could go out, get absolutely ****-faced and never forget a thing. As I got older I started getting black outs and to be honest, the older I get the less I remember of the nights before if I'm on the rip. I dunno is it something to do with the liver being damaged from such heavy drinking when I was younger or whatever...

Either way, whether you were spiked or not, just be grateful you got home in one piece and learn the lesson from the night: don't drink anything that tastes funny, especially in such circumstances.

LegacyUser

I hear that man it actually just sounds to me like you drank too much. I've had it happen to me many a time before.

Seeing as you already had 9 drinks you might not have noticed a stronger taste of alcohol from the last drink you drank. But it could have been the one that sent you over the edge.

And those "close eye visuals" that you talked about - I've had these too and they usually accompany the foggy head that comes from a night of drinking.

echomadman

think of it as free drugs

So to answer your question, yes the drink was spiked, probably with rohypnol.

rohypnol turns drinks blue, if it was spiked it was more likely ghb or somesuch, In future you'll think twice about drinking a drink that someone has already told you "tasted funny"

LegacyUser

it could easily have been blue , it was a bacardi and coke and the lights were fairly low where we were sitting.
Does anyone know a site with info about the effect of drugs like ghb and rhohipnol when mixed with alcohol?, all I can find is info aimed at women about how to stay safe.

D!ve^Bomb!

did you ever see that add on the tv about drinkin sensibly,, maybe you should take notes the next time it comes on and bring them with you when you go out..

Boston

If the man says he can handle six pints and three vodkas then you hsoudl really take his word for it. Its not a huge amounth of drink, and shouldn't explan his black out.

LegacyUser

The thing is that that is the ammount that I allways drink and I allways spend the night with the same person. I remember many nights spending ages talking with my friend on the way back to his house , usually making sure he doesnt make a fool of himself!.
Im just glad he was there for me when I needed him.
Now I know it's not a healthy ammount to drink but there really is no precident for that type of loss of control.
What I did want to know is wheather anyone had ever had a lost all ability to function after drinking exactly the same ammount that they drink every night they go out ,and I know that her bacardi and coke was just a single , It was my round! My friend who works behind the bar of the club will check the tapes for the nightand see if anything happened. Frankly it's the girl who Im worried about now , it must have been a very bad shock for her, I can only imagine what's going through her head.

seamus

What was the dink that you took?

If it was a pint and it tasted weird, it could have been a bad pint. That'll never do you any favours, particularly if you down it and leave.

Victor

The vast majority of people who have been tested having claimed to have had a spiked drink have in fact ingested a poison that causes a mind-altering state. It's called alcohol.

smiaras

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yellum

Originally posted by smiaras
One of the main doctors in A&E in a dublin hospital was quoted in the last year as saying that young irish people are using it as a scapegoat for their excess drinking.

Roche that make Rophynol investigated all cases of daterape where people claimed their drinks were spiked. All the bloodtests done came back negative for these daterape drugs. Its nearly always drink.

sceptre

Originally posted by smiaras
Correct me if I'm wrong fellow posters but isn't rophynol some sort of tranquiliser, and effectively leaves you incapicitated when it takes full effect?

Yes and no. Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol is a brand name, going out with a nurse has caused me to use generic names where possible, despite Hoffmann-La Roche's patent) is a sedative and belongs to the same family of drugs as valium and the like and it's often prescribed as a sleeping pill in Mexico and parts of south America and Asia. When combined with alcohol though, it can cause blackouts, cause memory loss, impair motor skills and cause loss of inhibition (the latter can happen with or without alcohol).

Initially the drug causes the taker to seem drunk with a loss of co-ordination and slurred speech (bloodshot eyes as well). The sedative effect can kick in after 20 minutes. The drug's effect peaks after about 2 hours and effects can last for about 8 hours. Sometimes it can cause excitable or aggressive behavoiur (despite it being classified as a sedative)

Now, enough about flunitrazepam. No-one's using it any more. The tablet form it comes in is probably too much hassle I suspect. The more recent possibility is Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate (GHB). It's a substance naturally found in the body but a synthetic version was used by bodybuilders in the 80s. Comes in a liquid form (colourless) or a white powder. It's also been used as a surgical anaesthetic on this side of the Atlantic. It produces a similar affect to Rohypnol (pretty much - the primary effects are hallucinations and euphoria but you can add in dizziness and drowsiness when mixed with alcohol). Effects last about 4 hours on average.

That's pretty much /all/ I know about the drugs by the way, I'm sure syke can probably correct any sciencey mistakes I've made. Rohypnol hasn't been FDA approved in the US but isn't actually banned, GHB has been banned there. I've no idea what the position is here as I don't tend to follow anything Irish and science-related due to a lack of any half-decent Irish science publication that I know of (or that the UL library stocks)

loismustdie

you remember a good bit and even bits you don't recall like givin the address you did correctly at the time so you couldn't have been that out of it. you're just bein parnoid probably. most drugs won't hit you that quickly and are also tastless in drinks

also FDA in america takes forever to approve new products but would ban straight away if it's dangerous

also threadstarter, was it last night or friday night>

anyway, nothing bad happened so why not forget and be more careful in future

daveg

My GF had a simular experience in Longford 2 weeks ago. She had gone out with her female friends and I had stayed behind in Galway. I got a phone call from her mother the next morning saying she had arrived home completely wasted at 3am and had spent the night sitting on the couch staring into space till her sister came home at 7am. She had no recolection of the night past the pub (thank god her friends looked after her). She said she was acting really weird and they assumed her drink was spiked. I was worried sick at sped up to Longford to make sure she was ok. We took her down to casualty and got a toxicology test (btw she had feck all drink the night before... just a few glasses of wine). Turned out negative. Doctor said it was probably just a bug she had which accelerated the effects of drinking. Scared the shít out of me at the time.

Moral of the story you may not have had your drink spiked.

Stark

If you haven't eaten for a while, low blood sugar will make you feel spaced out and dizzy and give you symptoms similar to drunkeness. Alchohol gives you an insulin spike and stops your liver from releasing glucose. Remember to have your "soakage"

Johnny Versace

I saw a programme on RTE recently, and a (female) doctor who deals with rape said there has never been a case of drinks being spiked and a girl raped in Ireland. She said it is always too much alcohol.

So, you can't always believe what the tabloids tell you...

Catch_22

its age in the last year or so I find i have nights that I dont remember much of far too often ( eckors birthday last weeek being the most recent example ) but a couple of years ago I was easliy drinking ~10 pints most nights and rarely forgot anything.

Then one time i woke up, it was like "where am i ? , ok im in my parents house, hmm how did i get here" managed to locate my jacket in the dining room beside a plate covered in crumbs , i had made toast but had no memory of getting home doing this or anything else, just a **** load of drink though

LegacyUser

YEAH...loike i was saying, the drink probably had a triple vodka in it or if it tasted "funny" it was probably a long island ice tea lashed with whiskey or some other mad shít.

It wasn't rohypnol. Well, I'll admit the one in a million chance that it could have been, but otherwise it wasn't.
One of my friends thinks he was spiked one night when we were on holidays in crete and believe me I was with him afterwards and if you were spiked you'd know all about it.

Miguel_Sanchez

If your drink was spiked you wouldn't be be able to go home and log onto the net.

That's all that needs saying about that.

Emboss

What difference does it make now anyway?

You'll know in future!

tsk tsk

zAbbo

What a retard, of course you drink wasnt spiked, it was the amount of alcohol you had.

ferdi

you had 6 pints - 16 units of alcohol
you have 3 shots vodka - 3.5 units of alcohol

so thats about 20 units in one night

the amount of units women are not recommended to exceed is 14 per week.

you were wasted.

The Corinthian

Don’t you just love humanity’s capacity for self denial? Once it was a case of “the drink made me do it”. Now that that is no longer a valid excuse, we have evolved a “I did it because my drink was spiked” self-justification to take its place.

Roffle. :rolleyes:

silverside

before anyone says drugs in drinks are all a myth, some reputable study in the uk found that something like 20% of all unattended glasses in nightclubs had drug traces. I can't remember where I saw it but am almost sure it was either in the Times or on the BBC website. The students union in the college i am in here are paranoid about it as well. They removed the jugs of water they used to leave sitting on the bar, they have signs up everywhere saying that unattended drinks will be removed.

I've never heard of anyone I know's drink being spiked but I'd love if someone could dig out that report. I don't think it's my memory playing tricks on me.

silverside

ok heres that link

it wasnt 20% spiked, it was 8 out of 200, but still significant IMHO

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/3256331.stm

Johnny Versace

Well, we're not the UK, and that programme I saw on RTE was the rape doctor person from the Mater (I believe), and she said there has been no cases of spiking a drink and then rape in Ireland. She said it was always too much alcohol.

Originally posted by silverside
before anyone says drugs in drinks are all a myth, some reputable study in the uk found that something like 20% of all unattended glasses in nightclubs had drug traces. I can't remember where I saw it but am almost sure it was either in the Times or on the BBC website. The students union in the college i am in here are paranoid about it as well. They removed the jugs of water they used to leave sitting on the bar, they have signs up everywhere saying that unattended drinks will be removed.

I've never heard of anyone I know's drink being spiked but I'd love if someone could dig out that report. I don't think it's my memory playing tricks on me.

Sleepy

Still significant but an English survey, not an Irish one. I'm always curious as to the usage of the word "traces". I believe there's probably traces of most things in most drinks/foodstuffs/air/water. Not saying that people shouldn't be careful but at the same time, no need to be paranoid about something that's a minor threat if you're at all careful.

Sleepy

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
that programme I saw on RTE was the rape doctor person from the Mater (I believe), and she said there has been no cases of spiking a drink and then rape in Ireland. She said it was always too much alcohol.

Of cases she's had reported to her. No doubt there have been drug-assisted rapes and drinks spiked in this country, just no-where near the amount of people that claim to have had spiked drinks. At this stage, I'd want to see someone's toxicology chart before I'd believe them but I'm sure there are a few genuine cases out there.

Typedef

I think I had a spiked drink

That's gotta suck.

Get a blood test, find out for sure.

Gordon

Indeed. Goto doctor etc.

Gordon

Originally posted by What_Happened??
The thing is that that is the ammount that I allways drink and I allways spend the night with the same person. I remember many nights spending ages talking with my friend on the way back to his house , usually making sure he doesnt make a fool of himself!.
Im just glad he was there for me when I needed him.
Now I know it's not a healthy ammount to drink but there really is no precident for that type of loss of control.
What I did want to know is wheather anyone had ever had a lost all ability to function after drinking exactly the same ammount that they drink every night they go out ,and I know that her bacardi and coke was just a single , It was my round! My friend who works behind the bar of the club will check the tapes for the nightand see if anything happened. Frankly it's the girl who Im worried about now , it must have been a very bad shock for her, I can only imagine what's going through her head.

You posted a new thread instead of reply to this thread right?

martarg

Two girls I know on two different occasions, years apart, have had a similar experience, and to this day we are not sure whether they had something in their drinks or not.... both times they drank something they were offered (big mistake, but they were young and naive), and suddenly lost their strength completely. They were conscious all the time, but could not move a muscle. The first time there were guys around who groped a little too much with the excuse of giving her first aid while she was lying on the floor. Luckily the second girl just found a couch and waited for it to pass... neither girl had drunk a lot, I believe, but we are not sure whether it had to do with blood pressure, alcohol, or stuff in their drinks. Does anyone know of a drug that could cause that sort of effects?

Stark

yeah there are drugs that can do that alright.

Gordon

And the name of whatever it is isn't going to be mentioned.

LegacyUser

Cheers for the replies guys
Sorry about posting a new thread there, my mistake.
I went to a friend of mine who is works in the emergency services and who was herself a victim of date rape, her oppinion was that there was a fair chance that the drink was spiked. Although she knows my drinking habbits and how I act when drunk , it is obiously not conclusive. I'll never know now and as my original post stated quite clearly, I dont deny that the drink my have just hit me pretty badly on the night.
To the people who could do little more than critsise my admittidly poor drinking habbits , I would have though it quite obvious that the motive behind posting here was to establish wheather someone went out on friday night with the intention of raping my 17 year old friend.

martarg

Whoops, you're right, not a good idea to ask for details, sorry.... But then, is it possible that it was simply a drop in blood pressure, or the effects of alcohol? Does it definitely sound like a drug, or only maybe?

Loxosceles

OK that's why when I used to drink, I drank at a local, not at clubs, where at least someone could be looking out for me. You are lucky that your friends were not so irresponsible as to let someone else you didn't know, offer to take you home in a taxi, first of all. And that the spiked drink was luckily meant for someone else who didn't drink it.

I can still stand after 6 pints and 3 vodka redbulls. Going out for the evening, it takes your liver 1 hour to process each 8 ounces of beer, I believe, so if I'm out for 6 hours, or like 7 PM to close at 2 AM, if I have 6 pints I can barely feel them. You weren't that blotto just on drinks.

I'd say go get a tox screen at the hospital pronto before it leaves your system, like NOW, because what happened, if it did happen and I think it did, is seriously illegal and is a case for bringing attempted rape charges against someone. That is dangerous sh!t. Get to the hospital and get a blood screen immediately for any pharmaceuticals.

Silverfish

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