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26-03-2004 7:36pm#1
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Originally posted by ][cEMAN**
To each their own opinion I suppose. Though jedi aren't meant to be all powerful to begin with. That's why when you get your force sensetive slot it's just that. Force sensetive - not a jedi. And you have to train him through his padawan stage before he reaches knight. Yes Bounty Hunters can kick his ass, because he's not yet powerful enough to stand off against him.
forget the all powerful bit... the truth is that Jedi in SWG are nothing like jedi in star wars PERIOD... I will take ONE simple FEATURE of Jedi to prove my point Light sabres...
in SWG.. .Light sabres..
1) Deal KINETIC damage. Which is the same type of damage as someone using his firsts. Not to mention the fact that it is EASY to get armor to have 80% resistance to this. So hitting someone with a very powerful sabre does no damage.. this is in line with the star wars universe??
2) Light sabres cost MILLION of credits. Now in this time line jedi are supposed to be POOR, supposed to be hermits and in hiding. Yet somehow they are supposed to be millionaires at the same time to have a light sabre?
3) Light sabres break within 2 weeks of play. Again, this makes sense in star wars how? I thought Light Sabres were forever? Almost un breakable?
Also maybe YOU don't realise, but to get to Padawan alone is like mastering every single combat profession in the game. Yet a Master Brawler can beat a Jedi Padwan with relative ease.The thing is, if jedi's were ALL POWERFUL then they wouldn't have all been killed off.
And as for not resembling the star wars universe? Lets see - it's based after empire strikes back and before Return of the Jedi. The universe is overrun by imperial soldiers, and the rebels are hounded at every corner. The imperials in the game are vastly overpowered because they have the backing of the empire to get equipment easier than the rebels.
yes but thats not how it IS in the game. in the GAME on MOST servers, it is the REBELs that dominate the game and VASTLY outnumber the imperials. The imperials don't have any advantages that make things easier for them. The rebels are NOT hounded at all in any corner and run around happily without a care. The imperial crack down is a JOKE.... 5 weak ass storm troopers that die to a single rebel player? please.........The cities are based on the actual star wars universe, and contains all of the characters from it. It contains most of the professions that would exist in the real sw universe, and a load of the creatures from all of the films. You can't be the main characters because that's stupid, but you can find them and interact with them.
yes this is true, but this is possible in EVERY SINGLE player game. This is an MMORPG. The interaction with NPCs you're talking about is a single player feature... But even then the game does not FEEL like star wars. Where is the raging conflict? The Galactic Civil war is a JOKE right now.But then I suppose none of this means anything because you've deemed it unworthy of your high standards. I guess it's easier to load up a game like KOTOR and just instantly become a fully trained jedi. Yeah - cause THAT'S more realistic to the star wars universe..... [/B]
actually the vast majority of people who have played it would agree on the major points of the game with me. You speak about jedi like someone who hasn't played one, or spent the time unlocking the slot.
Tell me, do Jedi in star wars go around mindlessly slaughtering every single animal they see in the wilderness in order to progress on the path to jedi master? Because that is the only way to currently progress as a Jedi in SWG.
If I am wrong and they do, then I will accept that SWG indeed does represent star wars, but somehow, I dont' think this is the case.0 -
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Originally posted by Memnoch
forget the all powerful bit... the truth is that Jedi in SWG are nothing like jedi in star wars PERIOD... I will take ONE simple FEATURE of Jedi to prove my point Light sabres...
in SWG.. .Light sabres..
1) Deal KINETIC damage. Which is the same type of damage as someone using his firsts. Not to mention the fact that it is EASY to get armor to have 80% resistance to this. So hitting someone with a very powerful sabre does no damage.. this is in line with the star wars universe??
2) Light sabres cost MILLION of credits. Now in this time line jedi are supposed to be POOR, supposed to be hermits and in hiding. Yet somehow they are supposed to be millionaires at the same time to have a light sabre?
3) Light sabres break within 2 weeks of play. Again, this makes sense in star wars how? I thought Light Sabres were forever? Almost un breakable?
Yeah kinetic damage. Sorry if the blade doesn't slice through flesh and bone, but it is a game for kids as well.
Light sabers don't cost millions of credits. They do if you want to buy the parts to assemble it. The parts can be found, and in the case of those of us who help our jedi friends, pearls can be looted from Krayt Dragons. And the hiding part is right. They have to hide because until their powers develop a TRAINED AND EXPERIENCED FIGHTER can still kill them.
Light sabers break because they're made from inferior parts. Each crystal and pearl is graded. Only the really good ones last for long periods of time. And no sabers are not almost unbreakable. See example of Anakin while a padawan - didn't he keep breaking/losing his light saber? Is that why he said "master obi wan will kill me".Originally posted by Memnoch
Also maybe YOU don't realise, but to get to Padawan alone is like mastering every single combat profession in the game. Yet a Master Brawler can beat a Jedi Padwan with relative ease.
Padawans are still not completely experienced. There are good pupils and useless pupils. Who's to say that a competant, experienced, and weathered weapons expert can't take down a padawan? Considering that fencer is like training in the saber. Unarmed is training both natural and unnatural combat techniques (centre of being etc are meant to be like diluted force abilities) and pikeman is a bit like double sided saber.Originally posted by Memnoch
yes but thats not how it IS in the game. in the GAME on MOST servers, it is the REBELs that dominate the game and VASTLY outnumber the imperials. The imperials don't have any advantages that make things easier for them. The rebels are NOT hounded at all in any corner and run around happily without a care. The imperial crack down is a JOKE.... 5 weak ass storm troopers that die to a single rebel player? please.........
Sorry what are the MOST servers you're playing on? Most of the servers the last time I checked were outnumbering imps to rebels. And considering that they take into account inactive accounts as well and it's mostly rebels who've stopped playing (from my own experience) then the imps over run us. Recently the rebels have won Act3, because the percentage of rebels doing the missions was greater than the percentage of imps doing them on each server. But this doesn't mean more rebels were doing the missions - just that the number that did it made up a larger percentage of the rebels than of the imps. As the imps outnumber the rebels they have to have more people doing these missions to win.Originally posted by Memnoch
yes this is true, but this is possible in EVERY SINGLE player game. This is an MMORPG. The interaction with NPCs you're talking about is a single player feature... But even then the game does not FEEL like star wars. Where is the raging conflict? The Galactic Civil war is a JOKE right now.
You're basing this on what it FEELs like to you. Well I felt JK2 was a great game but it didn't FEEL anything like the starwars universe apart from the fact that you used a saber. As for the raging conflict, again you must obviously go nowhere near player cities that have faction bases, or major cities on planets where perticular factions are camped. On Farstar alone, Anchorhead on tatooine is attacked multiple times each day by imperials, as the rebels fight them off. And we get constant calls to defend rebel cities from large attacks. I'd say the largest i've been to so far has been about 60-100 players split between both sides.Originally posted by Memnoch
actually the vast majority of people who have played it would agree on the major points of the game with me. You speak about jedi like someone who hasn't played one, or spent the time unlocking the slot.
No i've not played jedi but I have spent the time trying to unlock it. They're actually changing this to quest based rather than mastering professions. I know enough jedi in the game though to know how it works.Originally posted by Memnoch
Tell me, do Jedi in star wars go around mindlessly slaughtering every single animal they see in the wilderness in order to progress on the path to jedi master? Because that is the only way to currently progress as a Jedi in SWG.
If I am wrong and they do, then I will accept that SWG indeed does represent star wars, but somehow, I dont' think this is the case.
Yeah this is currently the only path to take to progress to jedi master. It's not perfect but it works.
All in all you complain mostly about the jedi in the game. GET OVER IT. The game is for the star wars universe which is populated in LARGE by ordinary people, and in a SMALL AMOUNT (tiny even) by jedi's.
The game's constantly changing and updating and they're going to improve on the jedi side of the game. However, considering that they've only had jedi since november, and the game has been going since last summer (and the jedi numbers only started to pick up around the new year) they've obviously been more concerned with making the game playable for all other characters. Now that there is a large number of jedi they're aiming towards completely revamping the Jedi experience. Patience is a virtue - try it sometime.0 -
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Originally posted by TheSonOfBattles
Those books were based on the original X-Wing game, and also the TIE-Fighter game. Not X-Wing alliance or X-Wing v. TIE-Fighter.
Proof of this can be seen in that one of the first missions in the original X-Wing game is used in the First Rogue Squadron book as a simulated training exercise that Corran Horn takes part in. You have to protect a Nebulan-B Frigate against waves of TIE Bombers and TIE Fighters, and as also mentioned in the book, anyone who's played it knows just what a cunt this mission is.
I was just waiting for that point to be brought up, should have made my point clearer, when I mention Xwing vs Tie Fighter and Alliance I would include the others that are in the same genre, i.e. the original X-Wing (which nearly caused me to fail me leaving cert, it wouldn't let me study, I swear), Tie Fighter, X-Wing vs Tie Fighter, Balance of Power and Allicance.
However Alliance was the nicest to look at, X-Wing vs Tie as great for the LANs and the original X-Wing and Tie Fighter were terribly addictive single player games.
The mission you mention is the Redemption scenario, and yeah it was a pain, darting back and forth destroying dupes and squints0 -
I have a shameful secret to admit:I never completed the redemption scenerio
I know, I should be beat sideways, but I have...an excuse. I was young, and broke, and had the game on loan from a friend of a friend. He'd bought, and completed a box set of X-Wing and TIE Fighter, with a demo of X-Wing V. TIE Fighter and loaned it to me. I played X-Wing first as you do. Got stuck at said scenerio. I tried to beat it for a while, then gave up and moved on to TIE Fighter, and got most of the way through.......then the ****er had the audacity to ask for his game back. HOW DARE HE!!!!oneone!!!111!!!! I was so close :mad: Alas, like I said, I was broke, and couldn't buy the game myself, and I tried to pick it up in local stores later on, but was told they weren't selling it, and were unable to order it, as their suppliers didn't have it in their stock. Bloody independant, small business 
That is my story, my secret, my shame. It, it feels good to get it off my chest I have to say. Thank you for reading.0
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