Does the pearl Jam good stuff stop at Ten.

Seeker

I recently got Pearl Jam's first album 'Ten' and really enjoyed the first eight songs and the live version of 'alive'. A few days after this I also bought VS. I've only listened to it once and came away from it not really impressed. Is it worth getting any other Pearl Jam albums or is Ten the only good one?

Cianan2

I thought Vitalogy was good. Maybe thats just me.

Quatre Mains

Most Pearl Jam albums are a mixed bag. IMO you should go for the Live on Two Legs album 1st, it has most of the best tracks from the 1st 5 albums.

MarkMI6

I suppose if you don't like the creative and explorative side to their music then you won't like anything beyond Vitalogy, but fans (like myself) generally thing their music is evolving and getting better and better. Riot Act was an amazing album, **** record sales.

Can't understand how you don't like Vs, but since you don't then you probably won't like anything beyond Ten. Your loss I'm listening to a recent live version of In My Tree just now and it's quite brilliant.

Seraphina

i love it all, i dont get how people can only like ten, but then i suppose if rock and angst are all you're looking for, you couldn't appreciate the rest properly anyway.

Doctor J

I like Vs too, but after that Yield is the only thing which comes close.

flogen

what Markmi6 said

If you didnt like Vs, shame on you... nah, seriously though, maybe try No Code or Yield.
IMO, i think every album is brilliant, as Mark said, Riot Act was great, but didnt sell well (got good reviews though)... thankfully theyre such an established band that they dont need to sell in huge numbers, the record label knows they have a strong and loyal fanbase..

anyway, their weakest album for me would be Binaural, and thats still great, just the one out of the 7 studio albums that I would listen to last.

Flogen

one-angry-dwarf

I think that while ten is excellent as a record, other pearl jam albums have some of their best songs (do the evolution, corduroy, brain of j), but also some of their worst (evacuation). ten is their most consistent with very few bad songs. but if you liked ten id recommend getting a few more cds and giving vs a few more listens. it took a while to grow on me, as did no code, but they're both great.

ferdi

Does the pearl Jam good stuff stop at Ten.
- no.

therecklessone

Originally posted by flogen

IMO, i think every album is brilliant, as Mark said, Riot Act was great, but didnt sell well (got good reviews though)...

Sadly, no Pearl Jam album after Vitalogy has sold well. No Code sold in the region of 1 million, the next three nowhere near even that (Riot Act approx 250,000).

Still manage to play to hundreds of thousands on their tours, mostly all on the strength of Ten/Vs/Vitalogy.

The jock

what are your favourite songs out of all of the pearl jam albums.
these are mine:
off he goes
insignificance
i am mine
better days
long road

staringelf

hmm. thats a tough one. mine are (in no particular order):
release (ten)
off he goes (no code)
state of love and trust (film soundtrack i think, not on any official album anyway although i thought lost dogs should have included it)
i am mine (riot act)
black (ten)
once (ten)
nothingman (vitalogy)
dissident, rvm, indifference and elderly woman.. (all from vs)
in hiding (yield)
brain of j (yield)

that was tough, i left out lots that i could easily have thrown in but they are my top 10 if i was pushed.

flogen

i know it sounds stupid, but there are very few songs of theirs that i wouldnt put on my 'list', its all a matter of time a mood.... some songs are brilliant one day, ok the next, and vice versa, but they seem to be the perfect soundtrack for anything... certainly one of my favorite bands..

ive mentioned it in another thread, i have all their studio albums (as well as the Dublin gig and lost dogs), and now Im starting to get them on vinyl, have ten and no code... sounds really nice too (and no code is packaged beautifully.. im a bit of a sucker for that kind of stuff )

Flogen

therecklessone

Originally posted by flogen


ive mentioned it in another thread, i have all their studio albums (as well as the Dublin gig and lost dogs), and now Im starting to get them on vinyl, have ten and no code... sounds really nice too (and no code is packaged beautifully.. im a bit of a sucker for that kind of stuff )

Flogen

Perfectly understandable. Vitalogy is worth getting on vinyl as well, beautiful package.

I've a shed load of the bootlegs (25 or so) and I have to say some of the live versions of their own stuff kick ass, as well as the better covers (Crazy Mary sends shivers down my spine). The many versions of Daughter are worth the price of the CDs alone, especially the version from the last Seattle show in 2000, and the one that made it on to the Touring Band DVD.

All time favourite = Off He Goes :cool:

cournioni

Ten is the only album I could get into by Pearl Jam.

nlgbbbblth

State of Love and Trust and Breathe are on the Singles OST - usually quite cheap and has good tunes. Do not buy it on vinyl though - very poor sound quality due to it being over an hour long

as for the albums, I would rank them as follows

1 No Code
2 Vitalogy
3 Riot Act
4 Yield
5 Vs
6 Binaural
7 Ten

the Angry Love bootlegs (4 volumes) are worth getting. Try Borderline
#1 has Ten outtakes and live stuff
#2 has Vs outtakes and live stuff
#3 has Bridge School Benefit live stuff
#4 has all the Fan Club Xmas 7" singles on CD

the live albums for the 2000 tour are good - hard to know which ones to buy though.

brandnewspoon

vs is probably their only other album that matches ten in terms of pace although the rest tend to vary a lot but are much more explorative in terms of their own musical ability, my own fave being yield. if any of you liked this as much as i did then you should really consider getting single video theory- it really puts the album into perspective as well as being a great documentary.

id be really interested in getting the vinyls, where do you guys get them? and what price range are we talking about here?

therecklessone

Last time I checked, Borderline in Temple Bar had a few.

Other than that try online.

flogen

i have angry love 1... pretty decent, some nice stuff on it (i like the way they encourage bootlegging....), although alot of the b-sides are on lost dogs (not the different versions and live stuff though)

also, Vitalogy is my next buy, once i get money (i think its one of the best CD designs ive ever seen).
You can get them in Sound Celler, although he seems to have cut back his Vinyl selection... price wise, i got Ten in HMV on sale, it was less than a tenner I think, i got no code as a present, so i cant give you a price.
check out www.pearljam.com though, they have some vinyl there, from about $10 to $20 (for lost dogs, cos its so big), which is a good price IMO (and if you have it). I think theyre out of stock of some stuff there though...

The thing about Pearl Jam is, theyve kinda led me onto so much more grunge. I used to like Nirvana, but tbh, lost interest in them... they have some great songs, but there was always something about them... something that bored me
anyway, I got into Pearl Jam, then heard about Temple of the Dog (downloaded Hunger Strike, loved it, so wanted more... for those of you who dont know, TOTD was a once off colaboration between Pearl Jam members and Soundgarden members... twas made just before Ten I think. it was a homage to Andrew Wood, singer of Mother Love Bone, who died of an overdose. Chris Cornell was close to him, as were the others, except Vedder, and this was their vent/tribute, beautiful album, some really great songs). After getting TOTD, i was interested in hearing some Soundgarden. Bought Superunknown, loved it, bought down on the upside, loved it. Am planning to get more. Liking Soundgarden led me onto Audioslave.. guess what? I loved it... now Im moving backwards to Chris Cornells solo album (what ive heard is really good, the mans a genius), and more recently to Mother Love Bone... just because i had to learn more about them after hearing TOTD. Im sure I'll soon be listening to all the PJ solo projects, and tracking down Bad Radio stuff (if it exists).

*phew*

Flogen

MarkMI6

For more Seattle music try Screaming Trees, Mark Lanegan's solo work, Mudhoney, The Melvins, Green River, Three Fish and Mad Season.

For related music, try Kyuss, The Replacements and Paul Westerberg's solo work. I'm sure I know of more but I can't think of any ATM I'll update this post if I can think of 'em.

Edit: related music - Meat Puppets, Live, Desert Sessions CDs and that's about it unless you go off into odd side projects and stuff never released outside of Seattle/America. There's a hell of a lot of great music in these bands though so have fun (:

You might even class Sixteen Horsepower in amongst them, they've by no means got straight links to any of 'em but the odd time you can feel a sort of eaarly 90s alt rock vibe off them. Not often but bugger it they're great anyway.

nlgbbbblth

yeah Green River Dry As A Bone/Rehab Doll CD is great. Try Sound Cellar for it,


as for Pearl Jam vinyl, no problem getting them as they came out. Nowadays Borderline is best - should have no problem getting them on EBay/GEMM

therecklessone

I can't believe nobody's mentioned Alice In Chains...:(

Get Dirt and be blown away.

9lives

I love yackin' on about Pearl Jam. To be a PJ fan in Ireland you normally have to have been around since day one or just happened to stumble over them on the net such is the lack of coverage they get in the mainstream press.

I personally don't listen to "Ten" all that much. I wasn't in to it at the time and before 2000, the only album I had was "Vitalogy" (which I loved). I bought "Vitalogy" when it came out because I dug 'Spin the Black Circle' (a mere sound clip on TOTP as they had stopped making videos at that point).

I agree with nlgbbbblth and flogen regarding 'Binaural' being one of their weakest. Their mid-90s phase with "No Code" and "Yield", although both have some damn mediocre moments, they also reach career-highs ('Hail Hail', 'Habit', 'Faithful', 'In Hiding'...the list is quite long).

"Riot Act" is probably their best album in my eyes, but I can't believe the sales figures I read below. It's really quite sad.

Give "Vs" another go. I think it's a way better album than "Ten" - perhaps it will grow on you.

- 9L

nlgbbbblth

Originally posted by therecklessone
I can't believe nobody's mentioned Alice In Chains...:(

Get Dirt and be blown away.

Agreed; a fine album and their best although Facelift is impressive

The Jar of Flies and Sap EPs are excellent too
and I have a soft spot for the Unplugged LP

nlgbbbblth

speaking of Pearl Jam live albums I got this in HMV yesterday and it is seriously good

Pricey - €33 but worth it!

reviews here

***********************************************
Mansfield Ma: July 11th 2003 - Triple CD marathon!

first disc is a great acoustic set

Disc: 1
1. Long Road
2. Of the Girl
3. Sometimes
4. Off He Goes
5. All Those Yesterdays
6. Driftin
7. Thin Air
8. Sleight of Hand
9. Footsteps
10. All or None
11. Parting Ways
12. Indifference

Disc: 2
1. Can't Keep
2. Breakerfall
3. Brain of J
4. Spin the Black Circle
5. Ghost
6. Green Disease
7. Tremor Christ
8. Given to Fly
9. Nothing as It Seems
10. Cropduster
11. Faithful
12. Why Go
13. Wishlist
14. Leatherman
15. Nothingman
16. Betterman
17. 1/2 Full

Disc: 3
1. MFC
2. Blood
3. Encore Break
4. Breath
5. Habit
6. Down
7. Mankind
8. U
9. Black
10. Jeremy
11. Encore Break
12. I Believe in Miracles
13. Know Your Rights
14. Fortunate Son
15. Rockin' in the Free World
16. One Note
17. Encore Break
18. Yellow Ledbetter

flogen

heres something interesting, in boston they recently played three gigs, and they attempted to(and succeeded i think) in playing every track they had, and not repeating anything from the other nights.... would have been brilliant to see all three gigs, or at least get the three bootlegs

true about the coverage 9lives, but tbh, i think thats how they like it, and theyve done what they could to make it like this..... sure Vedder nearly killed himself with drink and drugs after the explosion of interest for Ten

Flogen

therecklessone

Originally posted by nlgbbbblth


***********************************************
Mansfield Ma: July 11th 2003 - Triple CD marathon!

first disc is a great acoustic set

Disc: 1
1. Long Road
2. Of the Girl
3. Sometimes
4. Off He Goes
5. All Those Yesterdays
6. Driftin
7. Thin Air
8. Sleight of Hand
9. Footsteps
10. All or None
11. Parting Ways
12. Indifference

Disc: 2
1. Can't Keep
2. Breakerfall
3. Brain of J
4. Spin the Black Circle
5. Ghost
6. Green Disease
7. Tremor Christ
8. Given to Fly
9. Nothing as It Seems
10. Cropduster
11. Faithful
12. Why Go
13. Wishlist
14. Leatherman
15. Nothingman
16. Betterman
17. 1/2 Full

Disc: 3
1. MFC
2. Blood
3. Encore Break
4. Breath
5. Habit
6. Down
7. Mankind
8. U
9. Black
10. Jeremy
11. Encore Break
12. I Believe in Miracles
13. Know Your Rights
14. Fortunate Son
15. Rockin' in the Free World
16. One Note
17. Encore Break
18. Yellow Ledbetter

Have it, and it is definitely a highlight of the 2003 bootleg series. The acoustic CD is worth the money alone.

This show is the third of the three Boston shows flogen refers to. And the band didn't quite manage to play every track they've recorded, but very close to it. I think they missed 7/8 of the studio tracks. AFAIK, the intention was to play every track (including numerous covers) they had rehearsed for the tour, which they managed to do between the three shows.

therecklessone

That CD is available here Djangos for $17.99. They also have a shedload of the other bootlegs, and if you spend $50 or more on new CDs you get free p&p.

Cheaper than €33 from HMV. Sorry it wasn't in time to save you a few quid nlgbbbblth...:(

nlgbbbblth

Originally posted by therecklessone
Have it, and it is definitely a highlight of the 2003 bootleg series. The acoustic CD is worth the money alone.

This show is the third of the three Boston shows flogen refers to. And the band didn't quite manage to play every track they've recorded, but very close to it. I think they missed 7/8 of the studio tracks. AFAIK, the intention was to play every track (including numerous covers) they had rehearsed for the tour, which they managed to do between the three shows.

the other shows were 2 and 3 July; are they available for retail sale do you know?

flogen

I think they missed 7/8 of the studio tracks

just thinking about it and it would be pretty hard for them to play certain tracks... such as Foxymophandlemomma (or whatever it is), is that included in the 7 or 8???!!

Flogen

therecklessone

Yeah it is, bit I think there are more obvious ones than that. I got a handbook to the bootleg series from Tenclub last summer, I'll have a look and get back to you.

nlgbbbblth, did you check that link to Djangos? I'm not sure if I saw the other 2, but try there and then amazon.com after that. Good collection to have.

nlgbbbblth

Originally posted by therecklessone
Yeah it is, bit I think there are more obvious ones than that. I got a handbook to the bootleg series from Tenclub last summer, I'll have a look and get back to you.

nlgbbbblth, did you check that link to Djangos? I'm not sure if I saw the other 2, but try there and then amazon.com after that. Good collection to have.

yes checked it just now thanks
some great prices on it

no sign of those two shows nor on Amazon either.

checked a Pearl Jam site and it suggests available through I Tunes only I think

Dun

Yeah, I have those three albums, and they basically have all their studio catalogue with the exceptions of:

Garden (notable exception there)
Glorified G.
WMA (Doesn't even appear in Daughter)
Leash
Satan's Bed
Who You Are
Red Mosquito
Around The Bend
No Way
Pilate
Red Dot

And none of the more experimental tracks (Pry to, Bugs, Aye Davanita, Hey Foxy.., I'm Open, Push Me, Pull Me) were played. They did perform Arc, but it doesn't appear in the album. Over the course of the 2003 tour they played it 9 times, but it hasn't appeared on any of the official bootlegs - there's a theory going round that it might've be an unspoken memorial to the 9 Roskilde victims.

None of the tracks are repeated over the course of the three albums, with the exception of Yellow Ledbetter which was played on the 3/7 and 11/7 shows (I think the crowd were crying it for it on that last night).

In addition, they also played State of Love and Trust, Leaving Here, ****in' up, I got ****, I am a Patriot, Crazy Mary, Soldier of Love, Driven to Tears, Baba O'Riley on the 2/3 July nights. The 11th of July ones are above.

And whoever posted that the bootlegs can only be bought through iTunes now is correct - there's only a couple of ones that you can buy from shops. You can get the CDs of Tokyo (3 Mar ), State College (3 May), Mansfield (11 Jul ), New York x 2 (8/9 Jul), and Perth (23 Feb) for £8.99 sterling for most of them here at Play.com.

therecklessone

*obsessive alert*

All the tracks that don't appear...

Garden
Rats
Leash
Glorified G
WMA
Last Exit
Pry To
Bugs
Satans Bed
Aye Davanita
Hey Foxymophandlemama, Thats Me
Red Mosquito
I'm Open
Mankind
Around The Bend
MFC
Push Me, Pull Me
No Way
Pilate
Red Dot

Also some notable b-sides missing...

Wash
Dirt Frank
Undone
Last Kiss
Black Red Yellow

Dun

Originally posted by therecklessone
*obsessive alert*

All the tracks that don't appear...

Mankind

MFC

Both of them were played on 11/7/03 in Mansfield - see Disc Three listing up above, tracks 1 & 7.

therecklessone

I stand corrected.

Right so, I'm off to specsavers...

nlgbbbblth

Originally posted by Dun
Yeah, I have those three albums, and they basically have all their studio catalogue with the exceptions of:

Garden (notable exception there)
Glorified G.
WMA (Doesn't even appear in Daughter)
Leash
Satan's Bed
Who You Are
Red Mosquito
Around The Bend
No Way
Pilate
Red Dot

And none of the more experimental tracks (Pry to, Bugs, Aye Davanita, Hey Foxy.., I'm Open, Push Me, Pull Me) were played. They did perform Arc, but it doesn't appear in the album. Over the course of the 2003 tour they played it 9 times, but it hasn't appeared on any of the official bootlegs - there's a theory going round that it might've be an unspoken memorial to the 9 Roskilde victims.

None of the tracks are repeated over the course of the three albums, with the exception of Yellow Ledbetter which was played on the 3/7 and 11/7 shows (I think the crowd were crying it for it on that last night).

In addition, they also played State of Love and Trust, Leaving Here, ****in' up, I got ****, I am a Patriot, Crazy Mary, Soldier of Love, Driven to Tears, Baba O'Riley on the 2/3 July nights. The 11th of July ones are above.

And whoever posted that the bootlegs can only be bought through iTunes now is correct - there's only a couple of ones that you can buy from shops. You can get the CDs of Tokyo (3 Mar ), State College (3 May), Mansfield (11 Jul ), New York x 2 (8/9 Jul), and Perth (23 Feb) for £8.99 sterling for most of them here at Play.com.

there's some difference between £8.99 sterling and €33

therecklessone

I'd also recommend the State College show (May 3), its another 3 CD set. Very long, and great setlist:

Disc: 1
1. Release
2. Save You
3. Animal
4. Corduroy
5. Cropduster
6. Elderly Woman Behind the Counter in a Small Town
7. Even Flow
8. Grievance
9. I Am Mine
10. Improv
11. Rearviewmirror
12. Nothingman
13. Daughter

Disc: 2
1. Lukin
2. Whipping
3. MFC
4. Jeremy
5. Improv
6. Blood
7. Encore Break
8. You've Got to Hide Your Love Away
9. Gimme Some Truth
10. Breath
11. Do the Evolution
12. Black
13. Alive
14. Encore Break
15. Last Exit
16. Mankind

Disc: 3
1. Down
2. Betterman
3. Satan's Bed
4. Leaving Here
5. Encore Break
6. Crazy Mary
7. Porch
8. Fortunate Son
9. Rockin' in the Free World
10. Yellow Ledbetter