Folding an O/E STR8 Draw?

dropsy

Hi,

Was playing the Merrion €25 Rebuy last Friday night and plyed the following hand. Would like to hear other people's thoughts on it.....

Blinds 300/600, three tables left. I'm on button with about 8K in chips. Dealt J10o. All fold to player to my left who calls (has big stack, maybe 40K), I call, SB folds no raise from BB (stack about 20K). Flop comes Q, K, 3 .. all different suits. BB bets 4,000, player 2 calls.......I figured odds were slightly in my favour to hit STR8 but if turn didn't hit it I was pot committed so would have to call any bet - basically, was I prepared to go out of tourney on that straight draw - anyway, I folded.

(as it happened, turn came nine, which would have made STR8 for me....BB went all in and player 2 called... BB had QK (2 pair), player 2 had J10 as well and won the hand with same straight as i would have had. So I lost, probably, about 4,000 bu folding - went on to finish in the money so not toooo bad)

Question is, was folding the open straight draw the wrong thing to do, a marginal call or the right thing to do in those circumstances?

Dropsy

Hyzepher

I think this hand is all about position - you were last to act and after a big bet it is hard to commit to a hand not yet made - easier for P2 who had a larger stack.

If you were betting first the decision may have been easier

Hyzepher

mewso

The bet of 4000 was not worth calling. It was a good bet by BB and should have folded the other str8 draw too. Unluckily for him he was called by a chaser.

Davey Devil

Agreed. Throw that straight draw into the crapper. I wouldn't call that even in the Thursday free-for-all at the Fitz.

krattapopov

never go fishing

eldiablo

tough one...
around 1 in 3 times i would go for it
(usually only in looser home games though)

but u did the right thing folding

Krusty_Clown

Well, with an outside straight, and the turn and river to go, you're odds of filling the straight, with 8 outs (4 9's and 4 As), is
2.2:1, which equates to 45% chance.

So 55% of the time, a pair of Kings and a pair of Queens (or any crappy 2-pair) is going to win it (assuming my maths aren't fundamentally flawed).. So if you can get it for cheap, it's worth a shot. But if its your entire remaining stake, you're going to lose, the majority of the time.

(correct me if I'm wrong!).

Davey Devil

According to the odds calculator on cardplayer.com, 2 handed with J,10 against K,Q and the flop K,Q,3 - two pair has a 69.9% chance of winning the hand with 2 cards to come.

3 handed with 2 j,10's vs 2 pair(k,q) - 2 pair has 69.2% chance with both j,10's having a 15.4% chance each of winning the pot.

dropsy

Thanks for all the replies.

Krusty, that was the main reason for the post in the first place - as you say, I was 2.2/1 with eight outs and there was 10,100 in the pot (2 X 4000 and 3 X 600 blinds plus SB) - meaning I would get about 2.5/1 if I hit (didn't work out implied odds) - if you go just according to pot odds the right thing to do was call.......and in a cash game that probably would be the right thing to do.

But in a tourney where pot odds say yes but you're also risking going broke I wasn't sure - I figured the fold was right even though the turn did ultimately hit my straight.

Guess sometimes there's no right or wrong answer.......although when I said that I had J10 too an old guy across the table he looked at me as if I had three heads......he departed shortly afterwards .... and on a str* draw as well (not kidding)

Derry