MAN for Sligo?

iwb

I caught this on the eTenders site.
http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/search_show.aspx?ID=MAR023066
I guess this is part of the MAN extension project. I didn't think it had been announced yet though. Maybe Sligo CoCo is ahead of the pack.

BigEejit

tá sé bríste

iwb

Sorry, I tested and it worked from here. Don't know why it won't work for you.
You can go to www.etenders.gov.ie and navigate to recent tenders. It is the latest one at the moment.

obewan

Well I hope it doesn't take as long as some other rpojects we had here like: The New Bridge/Mid Block Route or Multi Storey Car Park etc;

but it's welcome news anyway.

Mick.

BigEejit

D'oh .... for some reason Peerguardian is blocking it

thegills

This will be MAN number 20. It is a new project and will be funded out of the budget set aside for the current 19 MAN's as there has been some savings. It will be exactly the same as the current MAN with all the same people involved.

It appears that fixed price contracts seem to work as soon as the market place can properly assess the risks.

iwb

Thanks for the clarification gills. A small point but it is actually number 21 as Kiltimagh was under Ballina but it really is a separate piece of infrastructure as far as I understand it.

bminish

Originally posted by iwb
Thanks for the clarification gills. A small point but it is actually number 21 as Kiltimagh was under Ballina but it really is a separate piece of infrastructure as far as I understand it.

Yes Kiltimagh is a separate piece of infrastructure and only encompasses Kiltimagh

The recently announced Kiltimagh Broadband project is from Rural Broadband is using a 2 way Aramiska satellite system for backhaul and WiFi to reach the users
This project isn't connected to the MAN at all.

.Brendan

iwb

Thanks Brendan. For the sake of clarity and not to labour the point, Kiltimagh is getting a MAN infrastructure, separate to this Satellite/Wifi project as far as I know. Is this also your understanding?
It was on the map for Ballina under the MAN projects but it is probably 15 miles away from Ballina and there is no interconnecting fibre so I consider it to be MAN #20.
I wasn't aware of the other project there. Where can info be had on it?

bminish

Originally posted by iwb
Thanks Brendan. For the sake of clarity and not to labour the point, Kiltimagh is getting a MAN infrastructure, separate to this Satellite/Wifi project as far as I know. Is this also your understanding?

Yes, I was at the launch and they confirmed that it is indeed completely seperate from the MAN project although it's not immediately obvious from the brochure

It was on the map for Ballina under the MAN projects but it is probably 15 miles away from Ballina and there is no interconnecting fibre so I consider it to be MAN #20.

I wasn't aware of the other project there. Where can info be had on it?

well Ruralbroadband.ie have a page on it Here
the brochure is available as a PDF, the on line version is identical to one they were handing out at the launch and includes pricing but does not give details of the FAP and monthly volume limits.

I guess Kiltimagh isn't on the short list for ADSL then

.Brendan

eircomtribunal

Originally posted by bminish
although it's not immediately obvious from the brochure
Brendan

That's expressed very mildly, Brendan. From their web site:

"Rural Broadband has delivered broadband to Kiltimagh, Co Mayo as phase 1 of the governments initiative in which 19 towns across the country will be broadband enabled."

Other interesting morcels from the web site:

"Other key members of the team are ex-Eircom managers, and currently perform as national specialists in broadband products and services. They are vastly experienced in ISP operations, not only with Eircom, but have experience in all geographic areas.


3 or 4 adjacent communities in Mayo have been identified for local expansion.

RBL has also identified a number of other communities in Donegal, where it expects to offer broadband in 2004."


Peter

bminish

Originally posted by eircomtribunal


"Other key members of the team are ex-Eircom managers, and currently perform as national specialists in broadband products and services. They are vastly experienced in ISP operations, not only with Eircom, but have experience in all geographic areas.

There were quite a few people at the launch and ruralbroadband had at least 4 people there. Including 2 UK based consultants.

I spoke with 2 ex Eircom people one of whom said He had been involved with the ADSL trials in Dublin ( I'm speculating this was in conjunction with RTE ?) They seemed quite willing to discuss technical issues with me and I mentioned 2 possible, relatively local sources of backhaul neither of which they seemed aware of, but they did however seem fairy committed to the Aramiska System and claimed that the return on investment would be around 14 months.

Presumably they are fairly confident that Kiltimagh won't trigger for ADSL very soon then..

The system felt fairly responsive for satellite but of course there were no other users on at the time.

3 or 4 adjacent communities in Mayo have been identified for local expansion.

I also discussed this with them, they are not interested in the rural areas around towns (persumably since thier P to MP model won't work very well in that role.)


.Brendan

spongebob

Originally posted by eircomtribunal
"Other key members of the team are ex-Eircom managers, and currently perform as national specialists in broadband products and services. They are vastly experienced in ISP operations, not only with Eircom, but have experience in all geographic areas.

Jayzuz Kiltimagh gets a MAN and THEN gets a third world solution bolted on top with the obligatory Dublin based consutants thrown in. . What a total waste of money .

M

Xian

Am I the only one who's reminded of the Christmas shops - opened in November, closed in January? Thought not.

spongebob

I had a look at the latest DCMNR document Here (8 pages but its colour ) . Not a mention anywhere.

Dunno who funded this.

M

eircomtribunal

Originally posted by Muck
Dunno who funded this.
M

From their web site: "Rural Broadband in conjunction with IRD Kiltimagh have brought a broadband Internet service to the area."

Peter

edit
"More recently, through its involvement in the Irish LEADER Network, (Comhar LEADER na hEireann), IRD Kiltimagh Ltd. established contact with Rural Broadband Ltd. Rural Broadband Ltd has worked on a number of similar type projects and has been instrumental in bringing broadband to numerous rural locations throughout the UK and Ireland. Linkages were established with Mayo County Council who assisted in getting to the stage where Rural Broadband Ltd. was able to install equipment to enable broadband in Kiltimagh.

For its part, IRD Kiltimagh Ltd., has given a small amount of space in its buildings for the locating of this equipment. By moving in this direction, the group has ensured that Kiltimagh is the first of the nineteen towns selected under the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural resources pilot project, to be live with broadband. Another first for Kiltimagh!"
From: http://www.ird-kiltimagh.ie/commerce/broadbandmedrel.htm

iwb

I wonder how they came up with first of the 19 (20) towns to be live? Cork is live as are many others with some sort of broadband.
Do they mean first one live using the MAN infrastruture? Are they using any of the MAN infrastructure?
I am not trying to knock them as I think any community that has the get up and go to do something should be highly commended but I am curious.

bminish

Originally posted by iwb

Do they mean first one live using the MAN infrastruture? Are they using any of the MAN infrastructure?

The confirmed to me when asked that they are not using ANY MAN infrastructure whatsoever and that they were unlikely to, at least in the near term since the Kiltimagh MAN doesn't go anywhere to connect to backhaul.

They did however say that the MAN project has done a lot to raise awareness of Broadband in Kiltimagh

.Brendan

spongebob

Ballyhaunis has proper Wireless backhaul and not a mickey mouse consultant driven VSAT solution. I understand they can ping www.eircom.ie at 8-10Ms in Ballyhaunis where it would be 800-1000ms in Kiltimagh.

"Add to this the availability of broadband and we have the ideal location and package for a new or expanding project to locate some or all of its activity. Kiltimagh is the ideal location for decentralisation of IT type projects"

How can you decentralise an IT project to a town where you cannot run VPN software over the backhaul lads ? 2 way VSAT does not support meaningful firewall VPN (Piix or Checkpoint) , crypto enabled PcAnywhere or SSH. Telnets and Vi sessions are like wathching paint dry and are not encrypted mores the pity , ISDN is far more practical for Telnet.

I note that the speeches at the launch did not promise same Either .

2 way VSAT is fine for web mail and ftp (with provisos on packet size as you wait a long time for acks and nacks )

M