UTV Clicksilver Pings

daveyjoe

What kind of latency are people getting when playing online games through clicksilver or any ISP.
They look pretty poor at the moment. I was playing Counter-strike last night on an english server,
my friend who is on the same exchange as me (but with eircom) was getting a latency of 47ms constant, while I (on Clicksilver) was getting
anything from 80 up to 120? Pings results to jolt are below.

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C:\Documents and Settings\Dave>ping clarity.jolt.co.uk

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=68ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=72ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=68ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=72ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 68ms, Maximum = 72ms, Average = 70ms.

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rymus

C:\Documents and Settings\Ryan>ping clarity.jolt.co.uk

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=62ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=65ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=63ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 60ms, Maximum = 65ms, Average = 62ms

daveyjoe

Are you on clicksilver aswell, Rymus?

rymus

yup.. tried a few more times and it ranged from 52 to high 60's

darkmaster2

UTV - Clicksilver here too

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=48ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 46ms, Maximum = 52ms, Average = 48ms

Kobie

C:\>ping clarity.jolt.co.uk

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=54ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 46ms, Maximum = 54ms, Average = 48ms

K.

Kobie

(Also on ClickSilber BTW).

K.

clearz

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=57
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=57
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=57
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=57

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 35ms, Maximum = 39ms, Average = 37ms


Im on IOL

radiospan

C:\>ping clarity.jolt.co.uk

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=74ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=136ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 51ms, Maximum = 136ms, Average = 78ms

(Clicksilver)

Zion

I'm on UTV

C:\Documents and Settings\Admin>ping clarity.jolt.co.uk

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=42ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 42ms, Maximum = 46ms, Average = 45ms

daveyjoe

Pings aren't as bad as I first thought that they were, still though why should my friend who is on the same exchange as me (but with eircom) get a ping of 47ms constant, which is almost half mine. Is it just one of the tradeoffs between eircom and it's cheaper, Higher-cap equivalent clicksilver. Maybe this was just a once-off I don't go gaming online that often.

I was also just wondering, although my pings have come down a bit recently and are inline with everyone else on clicksilver, does the fact that I have an 8 meter line running between my modem and the phone line have anything to do with high pings.

As an aside, are Email notifications working with boards.ie recently I haven't received an email from the good folks here at the boards in a while.

edit: Merry Christmas all

Ripwave

Originally posted by daveyjoe
Pings aren't as bad as I first thought that they were, still though why should my friend who is on the same exchange as me (but with eircom) get a ping of 47ms constant, which is almost half mine. Is it just one of the tradeoffs between eircom and it's cheaper, Higher-cap equivalent clicksilver. Maybe this was just a once-off I don't go gaming online that often.

Quicksilver is exactly the same "product" as the oreillycom DSL - UTV buy it from oreillycom at a wholesale rate, but oreillycom are not allowed to "degrade" the service that's delivered to other providers customers.

Obviously your packets will end up routing through UTVs infrastructure, but a Traceroute (tracert in Windows2K/XP) will tell you whether the UTV path to your target is longer than the eircom path.

Having said that, RADSL is "Rate Adaptive", which means that the actual speed you get can be affected by the quality of the line - this means that people who would fail to get a 512k connection can still get the service, though they might only get 400k. So it's quite possible that your line is marginal, though that shouldn't really affect the time a response takes.

I was also just wondering, although my pings have come down a bit recently and are inline with everyone else on clicksilver, does the fact that I have an 8 meter line running between my modem and the phone line have anything to do with high pings.

You're the only one who can answer that definitively - move the computer and try it next to the phone line.

Mutant_Fruit

Ping times wouldn;t be affected by running through extra cabling, however if its poor cabling (which it always is for extension cables) then it will reduce max speeds and possibly introduce packet loss (if its really long). Do as ripwave said, and try it without the extension cable.

Ripwave

Originally posted by Mutant_Fruit
Ping times wouldn;t be affected by running through extra cabling,

To get your brain back into gear after all that turkey and ham, calculate how much 8 metres of cable will add to your pings, if you assume that 8,000 km will add about 200 ms

eth0_

Originally posted by Ripwave
Quicksilver is exactly the same "product" as the oreillycom DSL -

And uh...what the **** is 'oreillycom'?

Ripwave

Originally posted by eth0_
And uh...what the **** is 'oreillycom'?

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=valentia+o%27reilly+eircom

ando

oh my, I remember being with Utv Isdn and playing games (I'm WallentInspector) :



Utv's core network is not upto speed with other Isp's for gaming.The only difference between how I connected and you Dsl guys, is the 'last mile'. Your still connecting to the same network as I was

Anyway, its the same story with Netsource DSL. I was with them for DSL for a few months and had terrible pings, they were all over the place and it was impossible to have a game. Since I've changed to eircom I've had excellent pings, all the time:

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=57
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=57
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=57
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=57

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 33ms, Maximum = 36ms, Average = 34ms

There's nothing different about the hardware or cabling in my house, its all been the same since I was on Netsource, the problem was that I was connecting to a $hit network

Tazzle

Since they lost alot of their customers, introduced the bandwidth cap for warez monkies and refused anymore residential customers netsource has been absolutely honkey dorey

No complaints from me anyway..

daveyjoe

Originally posted by Ripwave
To get your brain back into gear after all that turkey and ham, calculate how much 8 metres of cable will add to your pings, if you assume that 8,000 km will add about 200 ms

Yeah but that's not 8,000 meters of the same cable I have running from my modem to my phone line that's the high speed copper stuff.

PiE

No point complaining about pings here folks. Get on the newsgroup, email and ring UTV and complain to them.

If enough noise is made they'll do something.

daveyjoe

Originally posted by PiE
No point complaining about pings here folks. Get on the newsgroup, email and ring UTV and complain to them.

If enough noise is made they'll do something.

I posted this on the newsgroup aswell, but they don't really answer stuff on their newsgroup.

eth0_

Originally posted by Ripwave
http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=valentia+o%27reilly+eircom

Oh, you mean EIRCOM. That would be the company we know as 'eircom', and no one knows as 'oreillycom', then? Jesus.

Ripwave

Originally posted by eth0_
Oh, you mean EIRCOM. That would be the company we know as 'eircom', and no one knows as 'oreillycom', then? Jesus.

No one?

Sorry you're having difficulty keeping up. We'll try to keep it down at your level in future.

Ripwave

Originally posted by daveyjoe
Yeah but that's not 8,000 meters of the same cable I have running from my modem to my phone line that's the high speed copper stuff.

8,000 metres? 8,000 Kilometres!

The time it takes an electrical signal to traverse 8 metres of cable isn't going to make any difference to your pings. The cable might have an impact on the number of packets getting through, but it won't have an impact on how long it takes them to get through.

daveyjoe

Originally posted by Ripwave
8,000 metres? 8,000 Kilometres!

The time it takes an electrical signal to traverse 8 metres of cable isn't going to make any difference to your pings. The cable might have an impact on the number of packets getting through, but it won't have an impact on how long it takes them to get through.

Yeah, I meant 8,000km. But surely if the cable used is more conductive it will be a lot faster than Joe soaps telephone wire.

BTW: It's clicksilver not quicksilver, which is particularly true with relation to the current pings.

jonski

Originally posted by PiE
No point complaining about pings here folks. Get on the newsgroup, email and ring UTV and complain to them.

If enough noise is made they'll do something.

Been there , done that , read the no reply's

It is either beyond utv's control , or they have it at the bottom of the priority list .