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Suggestions - Building a PC
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17-12-2003 11:28pm#1
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Instead of changing Motherboards I changed RAM, My brother told me to keep the Motherboard and I dont know who to believe
He told me to get the Corsair 512MB DDR XMS2700LLPT TwinX (2x256MB) Platinum CAS2 (MY-015-CS) which costs £92
If you were to get spaekers which would you go for? I am not too fond of the ones I have listed because the big speaker looks a bit out of place
:dunno:
Apart from that I should be ordering my new pc Tuesday 23rd
Its my birthday 22nd and going to The Thrills in Dublin
Thanks for your advice....0 -
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right let me get my teeth in here your pc is going to by very similar to mine
if i was you i wouldn't waste my money on the xp3200+ i'd get a xp2500+ and overclock it to xp3200+ speeds its what i did and it wasn't that much trouble
the motherboard you choose is probably one of the best if not the best nforce2 motherboards on the market. there is also the newer AN7 nforce2 motherboard by the same manufacturer which you should take a look at.
the ram is quality stick with the pc3200 especially if you getting a 3200+
the graphics card is quality i have one of those
i also like the case and psu, i have the same case with the transparent side window and an antec 480W psu.
antec make very good psu's
some of the best aircooling heat sinks on the market are made by thermalright they are available on overclockers and you can get them from www.hitide.ie you then stick your choice of an on top and the high end ones will take up to a 92mm fan
western digital hdd are noiser then others but are good performers, you could go s-ata if you wanted to. i went for a 160gb seagate s-ata and i don't think its as quite as everyone made it out to be
but it is 7200rpm. my main recommendation with a hdd would be 8mb cache and you have that.
don't know much about speakers but the onboard sound on the abit nf7-s is highly rated so you don't need soundcard.
happy shopping and btw you'll bench about 17500 in 3dmark01 with that spec0 -
Hey Dataisgod thanks for your reply but I would rather take the safe way and pay for what you get and not bother about overclocking. Ok sometimes it might work but its a big risk :dunno: My brother overclocked and since that believe me I dont want to even try it. For a extra couple of quid you can have the same pc :dunno: I guess if you know what your at then overclock away
About the RAM you can thank my brother... Hes only 14 and he knows ****ing more than me :dunno: I know nothing about PC's but once you got a 14 year backing you up I guess you cant go wrong
He also says he wants me to get Dual channel memory <<--- What is this ****? Should I get it.....
I will think about getting a Serial ATA Hard-drive but will have to look into it more. I know its faster for using multiple drives but is it much better for the only one drive?
Thnaks again for helping me,
Its just I want to buy the best there is and I do need the help and guidence
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Listen your RAM will be 200Mhz your CPU will be 200MHz and your MB will be.....166Mhz. Tell me this what's the point off that!:dunno:, use what you have to the max get a MB with a nForce Ultra 400 chipset so that way everything will be humming along at the full 200Mhz. The easiest way to gain a little extra performance in benchmarks is to increase the speed of the RAM <--> CPU bus, by limiting yourself you are crippling your computer. There is no point in you getting such top of the range RAM and CPU if you dont use it properly. Click here (twice there are some probs with the web site) for a --HOLD IT-- overclockers made a mistake:mad:. The board you are going for DOES support 400Mhz, they dont mention it on the web site but if you go to the Abit site it does.....the board I suggest is the same you are buying:D DOH!. Anyway I suggest buying from Komplett (the linked site), you dont save anything shopping from OCs (€107 each) and delivery is cheaper.went for a 160gb seagate s-ata and i don't think its as quite as everyone made it out to be
YOU have never heard a western digital have you?:D.0 -
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Ok Offler I will do more research into it, Even though it is better is it safe in the long term? I dont mind paying extra money as long as what I buy works perfectly :dunno:
But then again your the experts I know nothing
Will look into it thanks mate 0 -
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Sorry Offler my reply yesterday didnt make much sense I actually didnt read all the stuff you had posted I must of scrolled down by it. Thanks for the time to explain all that to me and I will actually go for a new MB but I would rather buy from overclockers than komplett cause I wanna get all the stuff from the one place unless I cant help it. What MB would you recommend me to get in the Overclockers website?
I am also changing my hard drive to a Seagate Barracuda Serial ATA V 160GB - OEM (HD-009-SE) Link >http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Seagate2.html <<-- Would you recommend this hard drive or is there better ones?
And about pricing the parts on komplett I think it works out more expensive. The processor itself on komplett cost around €400 and its only €220 on overclockers :dunno:
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Was looking at your choice of memory - I'd be inclined to go for PC3200 rather than 2700 memory e.g. Corsair 512MB DDR XMS3200LLPT TwinX (2x256MB) Platinum CAS2 (MY-017-CS) - this is designed to give CAS2 performance at 400MHz, rather than the 2700 which gives CAS2 at 333MHz, assuming no overclocking...
Of course it's a little more expensive
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Originally posted by MadKevo
Was looking at your choice of memory - I'd be inclined to go for PC3200 rather than 2700 memory e.g. Corsair 512MB DDR XMS3200LLPT TwinX (2x256MB) Platinum CAS2 (MY-017-CS) - this is designed to give CAS2 performance at 400MHz, rather than the 2700 which gives CAS2 at 333MHz, assuming no overclocking...
Of course it's a little more expensive
/MK
Sorry MadKevo I copied and paste the wrong memory the one actually in my shopping list in overclockers is 'Corsair 512MB DDR XMS3200C2PT Platinum Registered CAS2 (MY-032-CS)' Thanks
logistic im actually going to keep my current Monitor its a 19" Gateway which I like a lot 0 -
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Hmmm now you've left me all confused
But if you only got it im sure you have at least 12 months guarantee? If so why not just leave it back or change it for another one?
I really dont know what hard-drive to get but im sure there cant be much of a difference between them all 0 -
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Originally posted by thomasmckinless
did u check this weeks deals on o/c's 9800pro and hl2 worth checkin out m8
I think you mean 'Hercules 3D Prophet 9800 Pro 128MB DDR & Half Life 2 Bundle - Retail (GX-017-HE)'
I am ordering the PC Tuesday so I will be looking for 'Next weeks only' hopefully its a good one 0 -
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Originally posted by OfflerCrocGod
Well the MB is just great the RAM (PC3200) is swell the 160Gb SATA HDD is excelent - overall it would rock. One thing, komplett DONT have an Athlon3200+ for sale, they do have an Athlon64 3200+ for sale; that is a very diffrent beast all together the €400 price for a 3200+XP sounded mad:D. Go ahead with that h/w it will be a very nice Box:cool:
Hey thanks offler means alot. Ya see one minute im happy with what im getting next minute my brothers are down my back saying its not worth it but I know it is My brother thinks his PC will be mopre powerful and it cost him £1300 last year... Like cmon he only got a 2500+, same grahics card... only thing is he overclocked it... I dont like to overclock... Way I see it pay for what you get 0 -
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Originally posted by Spawn
I know thats what my brothers all say but like whats £40/£50 <<--- I rather be safe than sorry
Sorry Data that reply was for Mutant_Fruit thats why it was so short
Regarding the RAM I am getting the 'Corsair 512MB DDR XMS3200C2PT Platinum Registered CAS2 (MY-032-CS)' <<-- Costing £92 (I think this is outragous for 512mb / RAM) But I guess if its the best RAM I may as well get it. My brother said its stupid to get such good RAM if you are not going to overclock (Is this true)? If not what RAM do you think I should go for.
I think I will stick with the 3200+
Regarding the hard drive I think I will go for the 'Seagate Barracuda Serial ATA V 160GB - OEM (HD-009-SE' But then again im having doubhts because its costing me £110 and I dont think I would need the half of it because im only 56k and wont be downloading many programmes / software but both my brothers are on 600k and 1mb so they download what I want for me.
My budget was £900 but now in total my shopping list is £950
Below I have listed exactly what im getting :-
PowerColor Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB - Retail (GX-006-PC) £220
AMD Athlon "Barton" XP3200+ 400FSB (Socket A) CPU - OEM (CP-058-AM) £170
Antec Plus 1080AMG Metallic Gray File Server Case - 430W TruePower PSU (CA-001-AT) £110
Seagate Barracuda Serial ATA V 160GB - OEM (HD-009-SE) £105
Corsair 512MB DDR XMS3200C2PT Platinum Registered CAS2 (MY-032-CS) £95
Creative I-Trigue 2.1 3300 - Retail (SP-016-CL) £80
Abit NF7-S v2.0 nForce2 (Socket A) Motherboard (MB-028-AB) £73
Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop - OEM (KB-010-MS) £47
Coolermaster Jet 7 ACB-V83 Cooler (Socket A) (HS-011-CM) £32 <-- Do I need this?
Asus DVD-E616P1 16X DVD-ROM / 48X CD-ROM - Retail (CD-002-AS) £25
Total of £954 My budget is £900
I guess if I wanted I could remove the Coolmaster cause theres not much need for such an expensive cooler if im not going to overclock it is there? I could also remove the wireless Mouse and Keyboard and wait a few weeks after when I get the money to buy them. (I have a spare Keyboard and Mouse anyway). If I remove these two things that leaves me at £880 around which isnt so bad.
I will be ordering Monday Night if not Tuesday. Im selling my Dell PC Monday for €400 once I get the money for that sorted Even though its only like £300 0 -
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with regard to ram its not stupid to get good ram if your not going to overclock it. for the system you getting you are getting the exact ram you need to match such that the fsb and ram are running in synch. the next important thing with ram is the timings. this is why you see things associated with ram such as 3-4-4-8, 2-3-3-7 etc.
i won't go into details (the real reason being i don't know the details ) but basically in general the lower these numbers the better. the ram your are getting has a low latency version or LL version, if you can afford this i would get better to go for this stick of ram 0 -
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Nice system, it seems like your brothers are trying to mislead you just a bit, by getting you to buy a Athlon 64 and a socket A mobo
IMO, you should stick to a Socket A mobo and the 3200+ as the Socket 754 mobo's still cost an awful lot, as do the processors themselves!0 -
Sorry I havenet been around the past 3 days
Well about this PC there is going to be a short delay on it. Aparently my brothers told my dad its a waiste of money and that I dont need such a powerful system. (I sense a bit of jealousy) My tweo brothers go to college they have built there own pc's but overclocked. So my dad took there advice and said can you take it down another £100 :ninja:
I said no way so we've rowed, talked about it and have now decided to order it next week instead :eek: Im going to sell my Nokia 7250i for €300 and then I can pay €550 and dad can pay rest
But thrust me that pc is mine
Dempsey regard what you saying about shopping around I have. Im not going to save myself massive amouts if I can save anything at all. I just want to buy all from the one place instead of buying off lots of different places. Leaves it more convenient0 -
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Well to make you happy I might just do that
I really think Komplett will work out far more expensive. The AMD 3200+ was something like €400 from Komplett. I think Overclockers is the cheapest place I will get this stuff but as you said I may as well shop around while im at nothing else 0 -
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I really think Komplett will work out far more expensive. The AMD 3200+ was something like €400 from Komplett
Thats not the same processor your comparing. Komplett dont stock the "Socket A" version of the Xp3200+ , they have the AMD64 "Socket 754" version which is by far a better performer.
On the whole Xp3200+ V Xp2500+ point , you can probably save over €100 if you go for a 2500+ and overclock it. The thing is there are risks involved, sometimes you get lucky sometimes you dont. If you want to give yourself a good chance of reaching Xp3200+ or more from a 2500 you need to invest in decent cooling. This leaves you with plenty of headroom for a voltage increase if need be.
The Xp2500+'s that are on the market now are generally multiplier locked, its fine for people looking for 2.2ghz (200 x 11 - 3200+) as its just an FSB increase that is needed. The general rule is the newer the stepping the more lightly it is to reach the upper market CPU speeds.the abit NF7-s rev2.0 is a quality motherboard and supports 200mhz processors so there is no issues there. you are looking at a s-ata drive now i believe. as mentioned i use a 160gb seagate s-ata drive. with regards to performance at the moment s-ata drives don't outperform current p-ata (i.e. ide) drives but they do come with the advantage of nice thin cables which can give better airflow.
Couldnt have put it better myself.... great board.... and spot on about SATA (cept for the very nice WD raptors)
Seriously try Komplett, even try the uk site for sterling comparisons www.komplett.co.uk , they should be cheaper (specially on delivery).
BTW if your thinkin of a silent pc WD drives are noisey, Seagate are a lot quieter (think that was mentioned before) ...... other than that nice system.0 -
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