Analysis of 88 towns in 'Need' of BB According to Dermot Ahern

spongebob

1 Cavan Has DSL
2 Monaghan Has DSL
3 Newbridge Has DSL
4 Carrigaline Has DSL
5 Maynooth Has DSL
6 Cobh Has DSL
7 Skerries On Eircoms DSL schedule
8 Tramore
9 Midleton On Eircoms DSL schedule
10 Longford Has Cable
11 Youghal On Eircoms DSL schedule
12 Nenagh On Eircoms DSL schedule
13 Trim On Eircoms DSl schedule
14 Kildare
15 Laytown- Bettystown
16 Carrick-on-Suir
17 Dunboyne Has DSL
18 Buncrana
19 Tipperary
20 Fermoy
21 Passage West
22 Roscrea
23 Edenderry
24 Birr
25 Kells
26 Clane Has DSL
27 Newcastle West
28 Loughrea (on Eircoms list for DSL)
29 Portarlington
30 Ardee
31 Carrickmacross
32 Donabate
33 Ratoath
34 Ballybofey/Stranorlar
35 Kinsale Has DSL
36 Mountmellick
37 Mitchelstown
38 Bantry
39 Dunshaughlin On Eircoms DSL list/Has DSL
40 Castleblaney
41 Sallins
42 Kilcoole
43 Cahir
44 Cashel
45 Kilcock
46 MuineBheag(Bagenalstown)
47 Ballyshannon
48 Clara
49 Kilrush
50 Charleville
51 Monasterevin
52 Newtownmountkennedy
53 Blessington
54 Rathcoole
55 Lusk
56 Tullow
57 Templemore
58 Boyle
59 Kinsealy-Drinan
60 Duleek
61 Castleisland
62 Athenry Has DSL
63 Blarney
64 Claremorris
65 Skibbereen
66 Clones
67 Enniskerry
68 Kenmare
69 Bundoran
70 Dingle
71 Rathangan
72 Castlerea
73 Gort
74 Dunmore East
75 Coothill
76 Portrane
77 Oranmore Has DSL
78 Abbeyfeale
79 Carndonagh
80 Bailieborough
81 Kanturk
82 Balinrobe
83 Thomastown
84 Banagher
85 Athboy
86 Dunmanway
87 Prosperous
88 Moate

I make that 19 out of 88 . 69 appear to warrant inclusion.

Who compiled the list and on what basis ?

M

De Rebel

Muck

Maybe you can clarify this for me. I've asked the same question in another thread. What the minister has announced is another 88 fibre rings that will sit in the ground doing nothing along with the existing(ish) 19 fibre rings that are sitting in the ground doing nothing until (1) the MSE is up and runnning and doing the good stuff its going to do (2) there are active and hopefully competing last mile(s) in place in each of these areas.

In other words, the Minister is not announcing or delivering broadband, he is announcing one component in the jigsaw. We are still sadly lacking a clear picture of how the whole lot comes together to form a cohesive plan for delivery of broadband nationwide.

Am I right or wrong?

eoinm1

Nenagh, Co. Tipperary Has Eircom DSL

And with a bit of luck might get included in the coverage range for Limericks Wireless service 3.5 GHz

spongebob

Originally posted by De Rebel
Muck

What the minister has announced is another 88 fibre rings that will sit in the ground doing nothing along with the existing(ish) 19 fibre rings that are sitting in the ground doing nothing until (1) the MSE is up and runnning and doing the good stuff its going to do (2) there are active and hopefully competing last mile(s) in place in each of these areas.

In other words, the Minister is not announcing or delivering broadband, he is announcing one component in the jigsaw. We are still sadly lacking a clear picture of how the whole lot comes together to form a cohesive plan for delivery of broadband nationwide.

None of the 88 projects will actually be completed and nanded over to the MSE before 2005 . The funding announced will fibre enable 22 towns a year for 4 years, crudely averaged. My purpose in starting the thread was to point out that the basis for the investment is somewhat odd to say the least. The 19 towns in the origianl tranche will all have functioning fibre BB, available from the MSE by the end of 2004 (with the exception of Waterford which was de-prioritied for funding in 2002 and may not be ready for handover until 2005 and also remembering that it became 20 towns whne Kiltimagh, Co. Mayo. became a suburb of Ballina despite being 30 miles away

The last mile will have to be wireless. Not a single county council has done a damn thing about the mandatory provisioning of carrier neutral ducting that could carry FTTH or alternative copper of any sort except Limerick City and maybe the county who have a development plan coming out next year. This policy was recommended almost 2 years back in February 2002 by Aherns own civil servants amongst others in an excellent report to the Taoiseachs office. but Martin Cullen has not done a tap about it, the muppet in that time and Ahern can't make him. Nor will it make any diffference in the likes of Galway which adopted a county development plan with no ducting policy in May this year so thats out the window till 2008 unless Cullen gets his finger out .

Ahern will have to mandate access to the tower infractructure before the MSE is created , these towers exist and are controlled by ESB RTE etc in or right beside many of the towns on that list . A combination of cheap backhaul and cheap last mile delivery infstructure would indicate that there exists the joined up thinking from which joined up policy comes in the first instance. The GBS entities need somewhere to stick the wireless gear after all.

A fully joined up policy would do quite nicely minister, what about the towers, Dermot Ahern 100% shareholder on behalf of us all ? Hopefully before christmas. The allocation and acceptance of 3.5Ghz licences recently appears not to have been counted in either .

M

Señor Juárez

so if the bandwidth is there, what do they plan to do with it? will they resell it to local providers (as they should be doing?) what will the pricing be like?

thegills

1 Cavan Has DSL

You could argue that DSL is not really broadband. Fibre is the only medium that can deliver 'real' broadband at present to multiple users. The real issue is connecting this fibre into national available carrier neutral fibre and as Muck pointed out, freeing up valuable tower space for wireless services to bridge the last mile gap until more next-generation DSL type services are available or PON's become widespread.

Between Coillte, ESB, RTE and the Emergency Services there is enough towers / masts to cover the country with wireless internet services; the issue is backhaul out of these remote sites.

thegills

Señor Juárez

tbh the price of an uncontented megabit is... €100ish? someone correct me on this.

we've all heard this argument about the definition of broadband, but id be pretty happy if i just got the damn thing...

Headshot

hey boys is dsl available in a town just outside tipperary called golden if not when will it be anyone know

Mr_Man

Not sure how accurate the list is since some of the towns which have no designation after them are on Eircom's list of exchanges to upgrade. Newtownmountkennedy is one which immeadiately springs to mind.

M.

Moriarty

Snoopdog, have a read of this thread. If your exchange isn't listed anywhere there it will be - at the very least - another year before you will be able to get adsl.

Ronan|Raven

Castlerea is also on eircoms list and is being upgraded within the next two months (supposedly!)

Headshot

hey moriarty just like to say thanks for the help an no my town isnt on your list.but anyway i rang eircom yesterday and they said they hope have every where done by september can i believe them

flamegrill

Originally posted by snoopdog
hey moriarty just like to say thanks for the help an no my town isnt on your list.but anyway i rang eircom yesterday and they said they hope have every where done by september can i believe them

No, the people you would have spoken to wouldn't have any actual dates available to give you. It's probably a guess on the person behalf, god love them.

tuxy

Originally posted by eoinm1
Nenagh, Co. Tipperary Has Eircom DSL

And with a bit of luck might get included in the coverage range for Limericks Wireless service 3.5 GHz

yup im using it right now

eoinm1

Originally posted by tuxx
yup im using it right now

I take it you on DSL.
I'm on it as well.

I have called some of the winners of the Wireless broadband and none of them expect to be up and running before november. I'd say the service won't be strong enough to reach Nenagh any way.

Eóin

thegills

I have called some of the winners of the Wireless broadband and none of them expect to be up and running before november

Who did you call? Did they give you any reasons why it would be November?
thegills

eoinm1

Hi Thegills

I called Leap and Irish Broad band bot said that the expected to be up in the 4th Q of 2004.
The licence they went for will expire in November 2004 (I think).
They did not give any reason.

Eóin