Senior Archers shooting in Intervarsities

Aryzel

Just to outline this topic,
It is possible that DIT will soon have Chris Kinsella, and possible even Keith Hanlon eligible to shoot for them at intervarsities!

Already DIT is an incredibly strong them, anytime they show up with a full team they should win.

I'm not sure there is anything wrong with this, i haven't anything remotely like a solution, after all the stronger team should win, and its not fair to penalise a team for being good, handicaps are stupid because we could save on money and just toss a coin instead of having a competition.

But perhaps someone might come up with an idea that will keep the intervarsities continously competitive, perhaps the team score must include at least 2 or 3 beginners....

In the 01/02 season UL won every intervarsity
In the 02/03 season GMIT won every intervarsity
Looks like 03/04 seson DIT will win ever intervarsity,
And if Keith and Chris are in DIT quite likely DIT will win continously for several years, especially if Keith/Chris are in part-time courses.

I've no solution to this and thankfully its no longer my concern, but i thought i should point it out so that ye could think if over.

Perhaps no solution is necessary, we should just live with a dominant team, it won't last forever, but if a good and fair solution exists ye should consider it.

halenger

Keith eligible for DIT? *sigh*

This seems like a ridiculous situation really.

It had evened out a bit this year with Sinead, Ewan and Maire all being on seperate teams but then with Ciaran, Chris and Keith DIT may as well compete for international team events.

This is a very tough situation to deal with.

There was a handicap system used in the IAAA team event which perhaps we should look into.

My personal opinion is that if DIT win all this year I'll not be very fond of IV competition. It will be simply boring. I'd be more interested on a 1-1 competition with every college other than DIT! Or quite simply we'd completely ignore the DIT team score and whoever came 2nd would be a truer winner.

It can be compared to Manchester United winning the Premiership for all those years that they did.

There is simply no way to compete with a team like that. Euronations competetiors, Olympics competitiors! Professional coaching etc etc.

af666x

OOHHH I have an idea!!!! We could sell all our archery equipment now and never have to worry about winning anything at an IV ever again.

Does that mean that Stephen Faye could shoot for DCU?

halenger

No because Stephen's not currently studying in DCU.

Chris is a student in DIT and I believe Keith is taking up a part time course there.

I'm very unhappy with this situation, unless of course Keith changes his mind and starts to shoot for DCU!!

shock

Chances?

Renegade_Archer

Hey, it might not be the end just yet. Keith isnt invincible... hes damn good, but he aint invincible. I bet him once, by 1 point, over 30 arrows (282 vs 281).. but then he went on to kick my ass for the rest of the shoot :P

I am personally against handicaps, whoever has the strongest team wins. **** happens, we all cant have a strong team.

As regards shooting internationally, AS FAR AS I KNOW, you have to be under 26 to shoot in international intervarsity events, so that rules out Keith.

Dont give up hope; to a lot of people I probably looked invincible last year - as Maynooth last year and Maynooth this year proved I am by no means unbeatable.

Moral of the story: Do yer best. The odds might be very against me beating Keith but it sure as hell isnt going to stop me trying.

halenger

Well international intervarsities don't bother me too much to be honest!

I just meant they have a strong enough team to be shooting internationally.

It's all well and good trying but you can only try for so long before you really do wanna execute the team who keeeeeppppsssss winning!!!

Ya know what I mean.

Anyhow it's all well and good you trying Ewan but some of us haven't a hope of reaching those sorta levels. I'm sure some do but I'd be happy if I could manage a 500. Anything more than that consistently would be a dream!

trig

I think its time that we put forward our (DIT's) side of the story here. I just want to make a few points about our team.

First of all, I think its a bit soon to start talking about us winning everything this year. Just because GMIT and UL have done it before doesn't mean we will. Yes we got a good start but GMIT's 2434 at GMIT IV last year as well as UL's 2525 the year before would have beaten our score in Maynooth, so its not like other teams are unable to get these scores.

Also, its not like our scores are going to shoot up even higher again. Yes, we had a good day but Sinéad's score was her best so far at an IV, Ciaran hasn't trained in two years and we have a team member going up to the advanced category. All of which are likely to hurt our scores.

As for the Keith/Chris discussion, it seems unlikely that either will shoot for us at present. Chris was asked to join the team for the Maynooth IV but was unable to come and that should be the case for the remaining IVs as well. As for Keith, as far as we are aware, he is unavailable for IVs at present but that may change. It looks unfair to punish us and/or him for being so talented to me though.

Seems to me that if everyone else started looking at the 2525 UL shot in 2002 as a benchmark to aspire to or to beat, rather then mentally resigning themselves to 2nd place, then maybe everyone's scores would improve. If we can come from 2nd last (02-03) to winning our 1st IV then surely its not impossible for UCD or DCU to catch up with us.

Anyway, NUIG finished a full 845 behind DCU, yet you don't hear them talking about giving up or selling their equipment or handicapping the rest of us. I think people need to get some perspective on this.:(

Renegade_Archer

I for one do not want *any* action what so ever taken against DIT, and empathise with their position - if it is their good fortune to have some decent shooters on their team, fair play to them.
If the archer is a student of the university - they can shoot for them, no questions asked. End of discussion. Period.

</me invites Michele Frangilli to do a postgrad in UL>

halenger

Have to agree with you there Ewan.

If there was ever any form of handicap etc etc I'd want to suffer it too.

As you said NUIG were well behind. I'm sure they weren't pleased with that.

There is quite a variety of score which is good but it would also be nice to think that in any year any college could win, not just the one who happens to have 5 of the Korean Olympic Team over the the year, ya get me?

*wonders if he can get the Koreans to take up a course in DCU*

To be quite honest I'm not too bothered about my individual placing in the male category I'm more interested in the team. I personally would always home to manage to make the team and this is always a priority of mine.

We'll see how the year pans out but maybe next summer we'll think of someway of trying to make all the teams more evenly matched so absolutely anyone could win. If, of course, someone topples DIT and maybe another 2 teams manage a win then it'd be a nice change.

I wouldn't like it that 3 years running one team won all the intervarsities in 1 particular year.

Am I making any sense?

shock

Not really.
I for one am against any kind of handicap system. in my opinion your as good as you are and if someones better then thats that. I think that if one team has very good archers then the other teams should work to match or better them not impose a handicap on them.

halenger

True but building up to that level can be very tough.

If for example we're talking about building upto Keith's level we're talking a major amount of training and a very very very qualified coach, each.

Surely that makes sense? The sports council's not gonna pay for us all to have international coaches, nor should we all have these sorta coaches.

john basher!!!!

Trig, wat r you talkin bout??? your only a new bloke to all this archery stuff, your only in it about a year!! dats why ur so tired all the time????

although you are doing fairly well on the male league table, 5th r 6th is it??? although your in dit so, im not supprised.:cool:

ah sure good luck in the future, :ninja: man!!!!!!