Debian can run on BSD ?

Capt'n Midnight

Looking at the CO letter to IBM
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031127100124265

I wonder if SCO/McBride understand that Linux is just a kernel, and by itself,
isn't really Unix-like. Without the GNU applications, it is really just a
kernel with a POSIX-compliant layer, a kernel that can be swapped out and
replaced with BSD's or GNU's Hurd. I believe Debian already runs on BSD.

I don't see anything that would prevent someone from writing a Windows- or
Mac-like interface that runs on top of the kernel. It would in no way resemble
unix

So can Debian run on BSD ?

flamegrill

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight
Looking at the CO letter to IBM
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031127100124265

I wonder if SCO/McBride understand that Linux is just a kernel, and by itself,
isn't really Unix-like. Without the GNU applications, it is really just a
kernel with a POSIX-compliant layer, a kernel that can be swapped out and
replaced with BSD's or GNU's Hurd. I believe Debian already runs on BSD.

I don't see anything that would prevent someone from writing a Windows- or
Mac-like interface that runs on top of the kernel. It would in no way resemble
unix[/unquote]

So can Debian run on BSD ?

The same could be said for BSD, as in FreeBSD, its a kernel aswell. I would consider both Linux and *BSD to be quite similar. Debian is a distro built using the kernel that Linus Trovalds developed from the ground up. Simple answer is Debian can't run on BSD.

niallb

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight

So can Debian run on BSD ?

This is in active development, and has been for some time.
The GNU Hurd is another kernel targetted for support.

The distribution tools, such as apt will be the same,
but the packages will be compiled to a different target.

NiallB

Capt'n Midnight

So if SCO win the nusience suit and it is not possible to modify the existing linux kernel - it would be possible to migrate all linux distros to a different kernel ...

Big re - compile job - messy but doable (or could use the earlier kernel)

Yeah the SCO case looks SO strong - worst case senario is delay...

quozl

Originally posted by flamegrill
Simple answer is Debian can't run on BSD.

It can, there are NetBSD and FreeBSD versions of debian that I know of. And since they moved to using glibc they've lept forward.

The author of that excerpt was making a very valid point. You could take away linux tomorrow, and debian would be able to trundle along without it. It'd be a major setback, but much of what makes the debian project so sucessful is not the kernel it runs on.

Greg

niallb

There's also the linux 2.2 kernel...
That still sees development and it's a lot smaller than 2.4.
(Must be those millions of lines of code SCO are talking about ;-0 )

That said, Darth McBride did say something about SCO
going after BSD later next year.
Mustn't have done history in law school.

NiallB

nadir

sco are going to land themselves in trouble, someone is going to bite back, IBM should just take them over and fire the CEO.

scosucks.com

Red Alert

Personally I think if technology allowed it, proxy servers, mail servers, NNTP servers and the like should refuse connections to & from OpenServer/Unixware machines across the world. Sadly, I don't think there's a 'user OS' string in most connection protocols.

Capt'n Midnight

Originally posted by Red Alert
Personally I think if technology allowed it, proxy servers, mail servers, NNTP servers and the like should refuse connections to & from OpenServer/Unixware machines across the world. Sadly, I don't think there's a 'user OS' string in most connection protocols.

- did you ever hear the expression "don't shoot the messanger" by that logic we should block anyone who uses DOS or Windows 3.x or any version of Windows with an integrated web browser - because Microsoft lost the court case (SCO still have not lost yet)
- 'user OS' string - yeah right, strings can be changed...

Originally posted by nadir
sco are going to land themselves in trouble, someone is going to bite back, IBM should just take them over and fire the CEO.

scosucks.com

- Many people think SCO want IBM to buy them out rather than waste time in court - that way the CEO gets a golden handshake and they get money for old rope - it just a form of Blackmail. "Buy us or we'll delay linux for years..."

Microsoft use similar stalling tatics - long legal delays meant that no other DOS manufacturer benefited when the courts finally said it was illegal for M$ to charge Computer manufactures for a DOS license for EVERY computer they sold - whether it had Microsoft DOS or PC-DOS or DrDOS or CPM or even if it was shipped with NO OS.

Typedef

Yeah, but, if IBM cave in and buy out SCO, they leave themselves open to every bloody company, who is about to bite the dust, going after it and Linux, in order to get bought out.

Linux, unlike SCO, will thrive on it's own merits, because Linux systems are stable, fast, secure etc.

Buy out SCO, for ten times what they're worth and next thing you know, every bloody fringe Unix vendor tries to take your ass to court.

No pun.