Honda Prelude Si 4WS

ZENER

Anyone have any idea where I could find an engine and gearbox for this model.

It's a 1990 3rd Generation model with the 2.0ltr PGMFi engine - 4 wheel steering - Climate Control - Cruise Control - ABS and all electric.

Jap import model with CAT and O2 sensor on the exhaust.

A also need a clutch master cylinder and an aircon compressor if possible.

Any help appreciated.

Tinky

NeRb666

There's a place on the Naas Road that specialises in Jap engines, I think it's called IAVI, not too sure. They always have ads in the Star near the back.

ZENER

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There's a place on the Naas Road that specialises in Jap engines, I think it's called IAVI, not too sure. They always have ads in the Star near the back.

Cheers, thanks for the info.

I'm interested in doing the install myself plus they did an engine for me before - good work but overpriced.

Tinky

RicardoSmith

How hard is the 4ws to maintain and set up the tracking etc?

ZENER

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How hard is the 4ws to maintain and set up the tracking etc?

The car was in poor shape when I bought it 3 years ago, one of the problems was the 4WS. The box at the back wheels had a bad clunk from it. I dismantled it it and visually it was fine but the grease had gone off. I refilled it and put gearbox oil in it and was fine, no problems since.
It had to be tracked specially on a laser system. This worked out fine as the tracking was OK anyway.

Tinky

RicardoSmith

Can anywhere do that tracking. Personally I have found most places, using lasers or not, to be pretty dire at doing tracking. I usually end up correcting it myself.

ButcherOfNog

nice car those, actually i need a main EFI relay for a 4th gen 2.2vtec if you find one lying around. Only acts up in hot weather so i'm in no rush atm

ZENER

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nice car those, actually i need a main EFI relay for a 4th gen 2.2vtec if you find one lying around. Only acts up in hot weather so i'm in no rush atm.

Yeah they look really well on the road - I have 16" Evo-R's on it and it looks well when its waxed.

That ECU relay is actually a stock fault ie it comes free with them !! It's really easy to repair and takes about 1 hour in total to find it - take it out - fix it - and replace it.

Send me a PM and I'll call you and explain how, it was one of the many faults on mine when I got it.

Rover 620i cars with the honda PGMFi engine suffer the same problem and I've managed to sort out a couple of them and some Accords too.

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Can anywhere do that tracking. Personally I have found most places, using lasers or not, to be pretty dire at doing tracking. I usually end up correcting it myself.

The Bridgestone Centre at Blakes Cross on the N1 can do it. Expensive but they are one of only 2 places I could find !

Tinky

ZENER

Anyone help here ???

Tinky

Silvera

How about 'Jap Parts' in Enfield, Co.Meath ?

Silvera.

tinofapples

Tinky , what's a "ECU relay " ?

You mention Accords in relation to this ??

ZENER

There are probably better explanations than this but here goes.

Essentially its 2 relays inside a box slightly bigger than 20 fags. The relays, on instruction from the ECU( Computer), supply power to the fuel pump and various other parts of the engine system.

The fault in its early stages is exibited by a refusal to start in these cases:

a. Hot weather where the car has been sitting in the sun and the cabin becomes very hot.

b. After driving for a period of time and then stopping for a short period then trying to start again.

At the later stages the car may cut out after a while driving or lose performance or just point blank refuse to start. The engine will turn on the starter ok but there is no ignition. There may also be no spark causing many people to replace the coil or distributer without success.

To test:

Close all doors and windows and turn off the radio. Slowly turn the key from off toward the position where the dash light come on. You should hear a click coming from the RHS of the drivers footwell (RHD models) followed by a feint motor sound as the fuel pump starts. If these are not present and the car wont start then providing the battery is good then its 99% sure its the ECU Main Relay.

This affects mainly 3rd gen models of Prelude (Popup lights) and accords (88-91 or 2) and Rover cars of that honda ownership era with honda PGM-Fi engines (620i - 416i etc).
May cause problems in later models af all above or some integras but I have no experience of these.

Hope this helps ! If you need help with one PM me and I'll try to help out.

Tinky

yop

Nice motor tinky, thinking of buying one after seen one of the lads there at the weekend, what sort of BHP is it?
My mates is a 95 model, 2ltr but has no idea of the BHP or mpg. Anyone any ideas.
Also is there a specialist garage to get the 2ltr version or would ye recommend keepin an eye for a private sale.
Any things to look out for when buying one?

Gmodified

Well, if this is known fault then part should be supplied free of charge by Honda

ZENER

Hi Yop,

yeah they do look well when looked after. Keep in mind that my Prelude is the 3rd Gen model with the pop-up lights. In my opinion it looks far more distinctive than any of the other generations of the car.

With regard to BHP it depends on which model you have. Models similar to mine (2.0 4WS Si)ranged from about 98 (single carb) up to 148 BHP for the 2.0Si. Before I get flamed here there was a 2.1 Ltr model mainly in Japan that had a bad reputation fot losing the head gasket!!

I would imagine the '95 2.0i model has a similar spec to mine of about 145 to 150 BHP.

The model you mention is the 4th generation design, the 4 wheel steering on these in electronically controlled and gives trouble from time to time. If possible get a compression test done on the cylinders, there is a history of leakage between pot 3 and 4.

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Well, if this is known fault then part should be supplied free of charge by Honda

These cars (3rd Gen) were originally built from 1988 to 1991, I dont think the faults started to appear till they were about 5 or 6 years old. you could hardly expect any manufacturer to entertain you after this amout of time !!!!

Tinky

Gmodified

"These cars (3rd Gen) were originally built from 1988 to 1991, I dont think the faults started to appear till they were about 5 or 6 years old. you could hardly expect any manufacturer to entertain you after this amout of time !!!!"

My brother managed to get free distributor(385+vat) for his Honda Beat which was officially recalled in Japan in 1991. Dealer wasn't happy but settled on free part without fitting.

ZENER

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My brother managed to get free distributor(385+vat) for his Honda Beat which was officially recalled in Japan in 1991. Dealer wasn't happy but settled on free part without fitting.

Different situation completely ! The Prelude was never recalled for this fault.

Tinky

ColinM

Look-it lads, I'm reading this thread with great interest, but you guys simply copying and pasting instead of quoting makes it a lot more difficult to read.

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ZENER

Look-it lads, I'm reading this thread with great interest, but you guys simply copying and pasting instead of quoting makes it a lot more difficult to read.

To quote someone (so we know exactly what you are referring to in your reply), you put the tag before the text you are quoting and after. This will format it properly. You can also click the quote button on the post you are quoting and delete any bits you don't need.

Wow . . . it works !!!