The Roster Split? Good or Bad?

jongore

O.K lets get this argument going.

O.K I think that the split has had some benifits, some new guys have got thir chance and guys that only job was to be cannon fodder for the big guys have had a chance to show what they can do.

The following is a list of Superstars regurly used on the Shows now I'm missing many and considering that most shows have about 6 matches and I've listed 26 people, how do these all fit in? Where is the room for new talent? How do all these people fit(And remember we don't choose who stays and who goes)

RAW

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SD
HHH

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Brock
Goldberg

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Angel
Jericho

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Cena
Kane

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'Taker
Orton

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Benoit
Batista

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Eddie
HBK

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Show
Huricane

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Mysterio
Christian

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Tagiri
RVD

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V1
Dudlys

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Worlds Greatest Tag team
Trish

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Tori

Yes HHH Vs Borck or Goldberg Vs. Angel could be good matches but half the talent would never be seen, how long before these matches become stale?

My opinion is to keep the split, once a quarter let their be a trade or swap and dedicate one PPV to a RAW Vs SD encounter.

Let the arguments begin!:D

NeroTheExtreme

Same matches every six months, bores me to tears. Look at Angle/Lesnar/Show for half the year? Shane/Kane snorefests at the end of each month.

Dump the split and while they're at it, dump the current creative team.

Nero.

jongore

That's not the fault of the split, it's the fault of the writers, there are 7 or 8 guys from each show that with the right push could challange for the World and WWE titles.

Change the creative teams by all means but don't confuse the two, bad writing is bad writing with a split or not.

NeroTheExtreme

No, but the fact that we have the same main event because we have all but four workers on a brand capable of main eventing instead of having eight to ten and having different matches, like it used to be, *IS* a fault of a brand split because only certain people can do certain shows.

Hence boredom ensues, and it's because of the brand split that we've had Kane V Shane for almost three months, And Angle/Lesnar/Show was dragged out until people were knawing their arm off! Six months is too long to drag out a feud considering theres a PPV every month! It never happened beforehand.

Nero

smiaras

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Gillie

It definately has had benifits IMO.
Before the split I don't think you would have seen the RVD vs CLB ladder match for the IC title as the main event on RAW. The match in question was one of the best ever IMO.

The split lets the fodder be pushed but they don't push them enough!
Old rivalries that last for 6 months are sh*te and very boring!

Push the new talent! Cena and bastita look destined for greatness as do Orton and RVD. But only if there pushed!

It doesne't have to be about the WWE title/Heavyweight title all the time.
If they started pushing these people for the IC/US titles then it would elevate the status of the titles and probably be more interesting IMHO.

smiaras

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Gillie

Does anyone else think the US title looks sh*te over the Big Slow's shoulder?
Maybe they should get him a Pie-eating title!

He'd never be beaten!

smiaras

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Washout

It is good for the simple reason that you dont see the main 4-5 guys on BOTH shows like before.

Remmeber when there were feuds and they would be carried over from one show to the other till the PPV event.

Thats 8 episodes of the same feud which did get too boring.

The split isnt working for the simple reason that they need better storylines. Blame the writers.


on a side note:
Anyone know if the undertaker is coming back as the old undertaker?

jongore

Originally posted by NeroTheExtreme
No, but the fact that we have the same main event because we have all but four workers on a brand capable of main eventing instead of having eight to ten and having different matches, like it used to be, *IS* a fault of a brand split because only certain people can do certain shows.

Hence boredom ensues, and it's because of the brand split that we've had Kane V Shane for almost three months, And Angle/Lesnar/Show was dragged out until people were knawing their arm off! Six months is too long to drag out a feud considering theres a PPV every month! It never happened beforehand.

Nero

Still think your looking in the wrong places for the problems, Angle/Brock/Taker/Cena/Benoit/Eddie are all main eventers on SD and would be/have been good WWE champs.

Likewise you have HHH/HBK/Goldberg/Jericho/RVD/Kane/Batista/Orton who are main eventers on RAW.

If you have one roster it'd be HHH/Goldberg/Angle/Brock who would main event and the others would be relegated to mid card.

There is enough talent on each roster for good feuds and no reason to prolong them except for bad writing and a lack of ideas(Hence all the recycled stuff).

NeroTheExtreme

Originally posted by Washout
on a side note:
Anyone know if the undertaker is coming back as the old undertaker?

Nope, he was considering it for Rumble 2003 (when they cut three diff promos, two of them were for the "deadman" character), but they scrapped that idea.

Let me clear this up once and for all, cos i'm sick of this question being asked!
http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/newsboard.php?news_id=7978

People will believe ANYTHING they hear on the net these days :rolleyes:
Nero

jongore

Originally posted by NeroTheExtreme
People will believe ANYTHING they hear on the net these days :rolleyes:
Nero

Said he reffering to a web page:D

Davey Devil

I really think they should revive WCW. Vince owns all the rights to the brand since he bought it out. So why not join Raw and Smackdown rosters like the old days and start up WCW again with 2 events per week. Get some new wrestlers in and some existing ones from WWE to swop over. By joining RAW and Smackdown together their would be a serious overflow of wrestlers so their would be plenty to share around plus millions of possible storylines to do so. WWE needs serious competition to keep it fresh. I know this would be false competition as Vince owns both brands but they could work it in a storyline line with Shano and Paul Heymen taking over the new WCW brand. I think they should have done this in the first place when the origional buy out occured. Instead they decided to join them all together. Or else a little less drastic would be to change RAW to Monday Night Nitro. Am I totally crazy?

NeroTheExtreme

Originally posted by jongore
Said he reffering to a web page:D

Well when he said it himself, you can pretty much take it to the bank :P
(Unless you're Michaels or HHH)

Nero.

smiaras

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a-hole

they should have let the alliance win the invasion the diferent names was all that was needed to make the split work

is it just me or would remaming raw nitro or calling sd wcw solve some of the troubl. We still have the notion that as long as their both wwe they can be merged at any time and calling one wcw and the other wwe it wouldnt be as bad.

the writers are doing a better job than i could do so i cant conplane.

whats this complaning about long fudes jerico Vs kane was a long fude in 2000 and it was exciteing, hhh Vs angle in 2000 was long but people complane it wasnt long enough and they didnt get an end to it benoith Vs angle was a long fude and ill never get sick of it although royal rumble was the perfect end. wearnt people including me complaning about the short fudes like rvd Vs hhh and booker t Vs hhh they had no mening and did nothing to elevate either wrestler

on a final note wold you like to see HHH on both raw and sd

whosurpaddy

Originally posted by Gilly2003
Push the new talent! Cena and bastita look destined for greatness as do Orton and RVD. But only if there pushed!

dont mean to be nit picky but RVD? new talent?

if i had my way they bring back nitro, air it on wednesday directly against NWA and split the talent pool even further. use some of nitro's old selling points an move all the cruisers over there and allow them 40 mins every show. move the tag division to smackdown an make it that shows selling point (30 mins each show). then bring back the hardcore title on raw and give that plenty of time.

i reckon trades shouldnt just be like matt hardy showing up on raw one week an declaring his smackdown contract is up. it should be allowed for 2 weeks a year. imagine the buzz for those 2 weeks watching a show to see who will jump out of the limo thats been backstage all night. preferably it would be just after wrestlemania, and with a maximum of say four guys allowed to join a show.

Id definitely go for raw vs smackdown matches once a year. Y not bring back KOTR and allow everyone to enter. It would leave enough room on that ppv for maybe 3 or 4 inter show matches, which wouldnt give away all the main matches in one go, but would allow us see a couple of quality matches we wouldnt normally get, once a year.

smiaras

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whosurpaddy

Originally posted by smiaras
Vince doesn't rate the cruiserweights. 40 mins a show would be overkill and end up in a nwa situation where guys pull off so many spots that their moves become dull.

maybe not 40 mins, but what i mean is start making each show more individual. have all cruisers on 1 show (definitely including shane helms) and have a cruiser tag division aswell.

if u had a 2 week transfer window no self respecting wrestling fan would miss any show for those 2 weeks. u could start it on the day of wrestlemania and it could open endless angles with people turning on others, interfereing in matches and generally getting away with mayhem they wouldnt normally do because their gonna jump show next week anyway.

also u could have sleazy agents (re: paul heyman) backstage trying to sign people up between matches. man id love a shot a being a booker for 6 months.

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a-hole

vince never pushed mastero heyman pushed him when heyman left mastero went from fighting hevywaights to fighting V1 to fighting tijary, (he isnt been given bad wrestlers)

did you see sd saturday the cruser waights got a good show tijiry Vs noble, mastero Vs tijirys boy and shannon moore agenst mat morgan (i know morgan isnt a cw)

smiaras

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NeroTheExtreme

I don't think he'll lose the mask again. It's quite serious to lose a mask and then wear it again in Mexico, you can actually get shot for it. As for agreeing with it in WCW. Check out Rey Mysterio 619 DVD and see his house, and how he lives! Then you'll know why! WCW definitely paid him well, and his shrine to Wrestling in general says it all.

As for Heyman pushing him, I'm not sure that Heyman was even booking at the time of Rey's WWE debut. And as far as not being pushed. If you compare Rey to the likes of Ultimo Dragon, Kidman and Jamie "Fancy sharing a bed with Billy Gunn?" Noble. I think it's safe to say Rey's doing alright.

Nero

PS: Why bother putting Mysterio against other cruiserweights, his best match in WWE so far was against Kurt Angle at Summerslam 2002! La Freakin' CoCaracha, It's true! Aye freakin' carumba it's damn true!

smiaras

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