1 mistake(maybe not) about Matrix

CyberGhost

in Matrix, Morpheus tells Neo, that his hair and his plugs are gone bacause of self risidual image right? so how does the person who has never seen himself, picks the exact same looks that he has in real life?

seamus

Heh, because it would have cost more and been too confusing to have two different people acting the one role, ie One inside the Matrix, and one outside the Matrix.

At a stretch, you can assume that the real body developed in the same shape as it perceived itself in the Matrix . Sort of residual self image controlling the actual image, as opposed to the other way around.
Some people also complain that people's eyes don't form if they're not given the proper stimuli after birth. But since, as Morpheus said "What is real?", as far as the brain is concerned, it was receiving actual stimuli, and so the eyes developed properly, as they do when they receive 'real' stimuli.

Obscure

The person feels the shape of their real face by tingles etc that they may feel unconsciencly in the real world. People have to the power to influence how they interact with the matrix. A prime example of this phenomen is the sixth One who could influence how he interacted with the matrix, hence the ability to fly etc. The ordinary person has a much lesser ability which is shown by the ability to propagate their real image in the matrix.

So the Matrix 1 is consistant! Now just ****ing forget about the other two "films"!!

ob

angelofdeath

the word nit-picking comes to mind, leave it alone, it was a great film and who cares if they took little liberties like that

quank

how come neo can fly and what not?
because he is the "one"?
but then why cant he do super uber stuff like teleport? or stop time?
im not delibaretly looking for the matrix faults, im just wondering;)

vibe666

if you want to look at it simply it's the 'some rules can be bent, other broken' speech morpheus made in the first movie. they got themselves out of a lot of crap with that one already.

the one real problem i have is that the implants were removed from everyone when they were pulled from the matrix, but seem to have grown back in the second one. did andy and larry actually watch the first movie? methinks they have short memories. alon g with the rest of the cast. stupid really, that they would miss something so obvious.

still not seen the 3rd one yet, and not sure when i will. probably at the weekend. maybe.

ixoy

Eh they don't have the implants removed I thought? The only ones without it were those born naturally in Zion. Everyone else still has them to plug 'emselves in.

Syth

Well I figure the machines were too lazy to generate a new body for each person as they would have to figure out how the person changed with time, so they just stuck a camera into the pod and modelled the matrix body on the real world body.

Shad0r

Originally posted by vibe666
the one real problem i have is that the implants were removed from everyone when they were pulled from the matrix, but seem to have grown back in the second one. did andy and larry actually watch the first movie? methinks they have short memories. alon g with the rest of the cast. stupid really, that they would miss something so obvious.

lol, this has to be a troll. Nobody could be this stupid.

yossarin

a wizard did it.
I actually had to recourse to this line with a friend after seeing the 3rd one.

ixoy

Originally posted by yossarin
a wizard did it.

Heh.... But I told you I'm not Xena, I'm Lucy Lawless!

popinfresh

The Matrix story is full of arty farty sh1te logics and mistakes. Like how exactly do they get into the matrix, they hack into it? How exactly? Why cant they send them selves in as an invincipal virus or something. And what's this with you have to answer a phone to get out, if they pull out the plug prematurely you die. It's all gay...:rolleyes:

Funky

its a movie...

sometimes you have to make a distinction between "REAL LIFE" and "NOT REAL LIFE"

Spunog UIE

whats is real, if you... no must not... neaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggggggg

Sauron

seamus

Originally posted by popinfresh
The Matrix story is full of arty farty sh1te logics and mistakes. Like how exactly do they get into the matrix, they hack into it? How exactly? Why cant they send them selves in as an invincipal virus or something. And what's this with you have to answer a phone to get out, if they pull out the plug prematurely you die. It's all gay...:rolleyes:

Hobbes did a good one on this type of thing a while back. Basically, you want story progression, not details. "Broadcast a pirate signal, and hack into the Matrix" is good enough for me. They are a bunch of hackers like. There's not much story progression if you have them going...

"Right, Tank, telnet into node244.hub.matrix"
"**** Morpheus, they're using ssh!"
"Does anyone have a copy of putty?"

EvilBarbieDoll

Maybe Morpheus picked it for him.... but when they were in the Matrix driving past some restaurant, neo said "...I used to eat there...." So he obviously remembered some things, so why not the way he looked??

Its gettin confusing now!

azezil

24 mistrakes noticed thus far http://www.moviemistakes.com/film3297

vibe666

Originally posted by Shad0r
lol, this has to be a troll. Nobody could be this stupid.

how come? in the first movie, you can clearly see when neo is first brought onto the ship when he first wakes up, that apart from the one in his head that they put the spike in, all the implants on his body are removed and put into a little glass bowl before he wakes up. unless you were referring to a trollish attention to detail.

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edit: just been reading moviemistakes.com and they say the other implants were only cleaned, but you see one being reomved (i think) from his spine which is the one that gets dropped in the bowl, and I don't remember seeing them get put back in (what would be the point?) or seeing them after that in the rest of the movie.

seamus

Originally posted by vibe666
how come? in the first movie, you can clearly see when neo is first brought onto the ship when he first wakes up, that apart from the one in his head that they put the spike in, all the implants on his body are removed and put into a little glass bowl before he wakes up. unless you were referring to a trollish attention to detail.

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edit: just been reading moviemistakes.com and they say the other implants were only cleaned, but you see one being reomved (i think) from his spine which is the one that gets dropped in the bowl, and I don't remember seeing them get put back in (what would be the point?) or seeing them after that in the rest of the movie.

Nope, what you see being dropped into the bowl is some kind of electrode, which they were using to rebuild his muscles since they were atrophied. (sp?).

You also see Neo pulling what is assumed to be an intravenous feed from an implant in his arm, a few minutes later.

It would make more sense to leave them in tbh.

Ryo Hazuki

"REAL LIFE"

Eh... that should be Real Life™

Shad0r

Originally posted by vibe666
how come?

Well firstly you think you know better than the two guys who not only conceived the 'matrix world' but also wrote an incredibly successful trilogy AND directed it. You also seem to think you know better than Joel Silver and the entire cast! That is why I thought you were trolling because I didnt believe anyone could be that dumb. However to my dissapointment it would appear I was wrong.

in the first movie, you can clearly see when neo is first brought onto the ship when he first wakes up, that apart from the one in his head that they put the spike in, all the implants on his body are removed and put into a little glass bowl before he wakes up.

Sweet Jesus. All I'm going to say is go watch the movie again. Please, for your own sake but this time watch it with your eyes open.

unless you were referring to a trollish attention to detail.

Not unless trolls suffer from ADD and I dont know about it.

vibe666

Originally posted by Shad0r
Well firstly you think you know better than the two guys who not only conceived the 'matrix world' but also wrote an incredibly successful trilogy AND directed it.[/B]

never said I knew better than them. like you said, it's their movie. all i was trying to say, was that given how much was spent on it they made a lot of mistakes.

OK, so I may have been wrong about the arm and leg implants (I do have it on DVD, but my g/f's brother has it at the moment, so I can't check) and had intended to have a look before making a muppet of myself, but realised I didn't have it, and had to stick my neck out.

anyway, even if I was wrong about it, they made a whole heap of mistakes in the movie.

Shad0r, you sound like a big fan anyway, weren't you disappointed by the 3rd movie? lots of people seem to feel like they messed it up. sure it's their world (brothers & silver), but they made it for their fans, so if anyone should be able to question them, don 't you think it should be the people they made it for? unless you take the stance they made it all for themselves, and they are lucky they did and let us watch it.

Shad0r

Originally posted by vibe666
never said I knew better than them. like you said, it's their movie. all i was trying to say, was that given how much was spent on it they made a lot of mistakes.

Yes. Yes you did. I dont think they made nearly as many 'mistakes' (given that its a FILM and not a scientific study) as alot of people like yourself think they did. I think its vastly more likely that the people watching it made the 'mistakes'. Perhaps a certain amount of computer knowledge is required before the movies fully make sense, I'm not sure. But as I said in the other Matrix thread (before I got fed up of every retard with a keyboard throwing their uninformed two cents in), the first movie is a very intellegent movie and you need to completely understand it (imo) before the other two are going to make any sense.

Originally posted by vibe666
Shad0r, you sound like a big fan anyway, weren't you disappointed by the 3rd movie? lots of people seem to feel like they messed it up. sure it's their world (brothers & silver), but they made it for their fans, so if anyone should be able to question them, don 't you think it should be the people they made it for? unless you take the stance they made it all for themselves, and they are lucky they did and let us watch it.

Heh, I'm pretty sure actually that they made it for the money. I'm a movie fan. I loved the first film, it was like watching my favourite genre's rolled into one intellegent, incredibly stylish movie. The truth is that the third one wasnt what I thought it was going to be but then again either were the first or second movie when I watched them. I enjoyed all three although I'm not going to judge the third one until I've watched it again a couple of times.

If I had any criticism's of the Wackowski brothers it would be that they had the opportunity to create the best sci-fi trilogy of all time in my opinion. I think they undermined that by so closly linking the second and third movie. I think it was probably a bad idea to film the second and third movie at the same time but hindsight is always 20/20.

I will definitly buy the trilogy box set when it comes out on DVD.

vibe666

as it happens, I managed to watch the first movie last night, and it's seems as if I might have been mistaken (make note of this, this is kinda an apology).

It had been over 2 years since I watched the first movie, but I could have swarn I saw them actually pull out one of the implants in neo's back, and assumed because I thought that, that they had taken them all out. I might have been wrong, but tbh, after watching the whole thing voer again, you can't actually see anyone's implants for the entire movie aside from about 5 seconds where you can just about see the 2 in mouse's (mice?) lower arms.

the rest of the movie everyone is covered up completely so they are not visible (probably saving on the makeup time during filming).

I don't have a big TV, and the pictue isn't great at the best of times, so I couldn't quite tell if in the last shot of Neo laying on the bed when he was getting his muscles fixed if the implants were still there, or if it was just the scar tissue, anyway, the ones in his upper arms were still there, so I'm willing to say I was mistaken in any case, but it wasn't made at all clear whether they were removed or not.

movie mistakes stands firm in the belief that they were just cleaning them, but it seems to be a common misconception that they were removed, because they felt compelled to tell people to stop writing in to say they had removed them in the first movie and they were back in the second.

anyway, you were right, and I was wrong, but what I believed was a common mistake, and I don't think it deserved the troll comment tbh.

yossarin

Perhaps a certain amount of computer knowledge is required before the movies fully make sense, I'm not sure.

there might be somthing to this - every matrix movie that I saw with non-programmers, I felt that I got more out of it then them. especially the whole 'image decay' / abstraction interface aspect of a lot of it.

vibe666

I've been in the IT game for 9 years on and off (meaning getting paid for my IT skills, not hobbyist stuff) and my g/f has very little PC knowledge aside from what she's leanrt from an office environment, and she didn't miss a trick. she's not much of a sci-fi fan either tbh, but she managed fine with both the sci-fi side of it and all the philosophical stuff too.

and just as a little thing to get back to what I raised about the implants removal (or non-removal) after watching the 3rd movie Trinity has 2 sockets on her spine below the main one in her head, which are definately not there in the first movie despite her wearing the same crappily knitted sweater she was in the first movie. not to meniton that they were quite plainly stuck on her rather than implanted, as they appeared on neo.