Is Star Wars worth two shïts?

Kopf

Mediocre script, mediocre acting.. The only redeeming feature i found with the series were a few innovative and original ideas.

So, I was wondering, what do you guys find so great about these movies?

PS - the only reason i wrote "mediocre" was because this is obviously a forum which will be frequented by the real starwars nuts, so I thought it necessary to refrain from writing "abosolutely shït".

Vader

This forum is concerned with Jedi related matters. There is a pure SW forum, would you like this thread moved there?

Kopf

That would probably be more appropriate. Cheers.

Kopf

Oh christ, i take back everything i said - there's a fscking Star Trek forum?

This place is starting to depress the hell out of me.

TheSonOfBattles

My answer: Star Wars, the movies, aren't that great. They're alright, but nothing particularly special. I prefer the expanded universe, i.e. the books, comics, games etc. The story, action etc are way better. That's just me though.

Mick L

I don't get what your problem with the movies is. I assume we're talking about the original three movies as they are the ones that set up the 'series' and the expanded universe.

Mediocre script?? Mediocre Acting?? Remember who the target audience was, can't remember what age I was when I first saw star wars but it was before I was in my teens anyway. The movies weren't made as an intellectual masterpiece. What they did do very well was to entertain and create a story line that could be expanded beyond the scope of the movies, hence the books and games which have proved very successful.

Would you call the score from the film mediocre or a great bit of work by John Williams, would you call the introduction of Harrison Ford to films as a mediocre result or more, would you describe the setting up of Skywalker ranch, Industrial Light and Magic, and the THX certification as mediocre or not? (I assume these are the innovations you refer to)

Even if the movies don't appeal to you, which I'm sure applies to a lot of people different strokes for different folks and all, the movies made advances in film making beyond the three movies. The storyline created a universe that could continue beyond and without the need for the movies, much like the LOTR trilogy created a universe, but in the case of starwars, the universe was allowed to be fleshed out by other authors, each bringing their own style and ideas to the universe while at the same time, each author followed an overall time/story line to keep things consistent.

As for the movies as just movies by themselves, remember that the first one was released in 1977, how many other movies from that time are still considered classics?

Kopf

Originally posted by Mick L
What they did do very well was to entertain and create a story line that could be expanded beyond the scope of the movies, hence the books and games which have proved very successful.

ah, what you're saying, if thought about, could lead one to the conclusion that the movies were just a slap-dash job with a view to creating a commercial enterprise with the primary concern of making money well into the future.

Would you call the score from the film mediocre or a great bit of work by John Williams, would you call the introduction of Harrison Ford to films as a mediocre result or more

I'd call the introduction of Harrison Ford to films a disgrace, and a big mistake if ever there was one. He's more cardboard than Pat Kenny.

John Williams. Meh.

As for the movies as just movies by themselves, remember that the first one was released in 1977, how many other movies from that time are still considered classics?

Many. Very Many. First one that comes to mind is Taxi Driver, released in 1976 which is simply a far superior film to the whole Star wars series. Fact. They aren't very compatible in comparison, but they're of the same artform, film, and although you might say that the Star Wars movies were never meant to be intellectual masterpieces (which they quite obviously aren't, the first ever released one having far too little dialogue, 99% of which is pure bull**** spouted by that cûnt r2d2 and that other robotic shït) - i'd say to that, then why do so many people devote so much time to it? It seems a total waste of time to me.

Go watch some real film, something with perhaps some meaning, thought and half-way decent acting in it.

shinzon

Not really worth answering this question as whatever we say Kopf will just come up with some variation of Star Wars is ****e, full stop.

Anyhoo my 2 cents are, unless you were born in the seventies then you have no idea what impact this series of films had when they were originally released.

Lucas took a simple outer space adventure story and made it what it was Star Wars, compared to today the methods used to bring it to the screen, using models stop motion animation ETC ETC looks primitive compared to the flash bang computer animation and CGI of today, but the Core story of good verus evil and the simplicity of that has rarely if ever been surpassed as a story telling plot device.

Now for Episode 1 and 2, as ive said many times before on other star wars forums, to much hype was built up over these movies since return of the Jedi and yes the hype wasnt lived upto, but in order to understand why Darth vader became what he was, then episode one had to be told the way it was, so we could understand where he came from.

I have to say i liked both episode 1 and 2, bought me back to those heady days of 77, when a new hope was released, i went into these movies with a renewed sense of the wonder and awe I had when i was a boy watching a new hope, and i wasnt disappointed.

Im now 32 years of age and I cannot wait for episode 3, in fact im religiously taping the Clone Wars series on Toonami at the mo so i can see what happens between episodes 2 and 3, ill have the complete story then as i wait for 2005 to roll around and the last film to be released. That day will be one of joy, joy to see the latest film and sadness because itll be the last Star Wars film ever made

Shame I really had thought Lucas would have completed the nine parts that were his original vision for Star Wars, would have been great to catch up witth luke han leia and the rest, but tis not to be


Shin

Mick L

Originally posted by Kopf
ah, what you're saying, if thought about, could lead one to the conclusion that the movies were just a slap-dash job with a view to creating a commercial enterprise with the primary concern of making money well into the future.

You could of course, but then you're conclusion should be described as Science Fiction....ironic eh??

I'd call the introduction of Harrison Ford to films a disgrace, and a big mistake if ever there was one. He's more cardboard than Pat Kenny.

John Williams. Meh.

Again its a case of different opinions, I liked the indiana Jones movies as well as the Tom Clancy/Jack Ryan movies.

Many. Very Many. First one that comes to mind is Taxi Driver, released in 1976 which is simply a far superior film to the whole Star wars series. Fact.

that you prefer Taxi Driver to Star Wars is the only fact there.

They aren't very compatible in comparison, but they're of the same artform, film

In that case while we're at it lets compare apples and oranges, they're both fruit after all.

and although you might say that the Star Wars movies were never meant to be intellectual masterpieces (which they quite obviously aren't, the first ever released one having far too little dialogue, 99% of which is pure bull**** spouted by that cûnt r2d2 and that other robotic shït) - i'd say to that, then why do so many people devote so much time to it? It seems a total waste of time to me.

Why? Why is it a waste of time. If they enjoy themselves why shouldn't they? Just because you didn't enjoy the movies?

Go watch some real film, something with perhaps some meaning, thought and half-way decent acting in it.

Unfortunately I think Shin is right, I thought this would be a discussion about the movies but I guess I should have known from the title that it wouldn't turn out to be the case.

Emboss

Originally posted by Kopf
Mediocre script, mediocre acting.. The only redeeming feature i found with the series were a few innovative and original ideas.

So, I was wondering, what do you guys find so great about these movies?

PS - the only reason i wrote "mediocre" was because this is obviously a forum which will be frequented by the real starwars nuts, so I thought it necessary to refrain from writing "abosolutely shït".

"abosolutely shït" would have been alot closer to the truth

jaggeh

star wars is much like half life

a mediocre game enhanced by the modding community

the expanded universe makes star wars iinfinatly better.

Wheeler

i thought this forum was for star wars fans. if you dont like it go to a different one

Kopf

Originally posted by Wheeler
i thought this forum was for star wars fans. if you dont like it go to a different one

A forum for star wars fans; who better to find out from why you people love this thing so much.

The only answer I seem to have got is that you're all a bunch of slaves to merchandise who enjoy being raped for money in order to get the coolest latest dildo manufactured to look like a light saber.

Well done you guys, I bet you're really proud to be devoting your lives to such a worthy cause. I wish I had the money to throw away at George Lucas so he can get a new car every second week. Really, I do.

Victor

Originally posted by Kopf
First one that comes to mind is Taxi Driver, released in 1976 which is simply a far superior film to the whole Star wars series.

I think the difference is Taxi Driver is designed for an adult audience, Star Wars for children. What next, complaining about the fur textures on "Bear in the Big Blue House"? .. and that bears can't talk .... and don't live in houses ....

Kopf

Originally posted by Victor
I think the difference is Taxi Driver is designed for an adult audience, Star Wars for children.

repeat: Star Wars (was designed) for children.

In my first post I was expressing how I'm not able to understand why there's such a cult following (of adults, and these aren't just children from the 70s who grew up into star wars fans, the star wars films were revered in the 70s by adults as much as by children, not only because of its new and impressive special effects) for star wars.

There are many pieces of film made for children (magic roundabout, tellytubbies (although i find it simply headwrecking), bosco, rainbow and bear in the big blue house) which are found extremely enjoyable by adults around the world when under the influence of drugs. However the same is not applicable to star wars.

I give up on my quest to find out why so many people of all ages love star wars so much.

Have fun you people.



sux2bu

TheSonOfBattles

A forum for star wars fans; who better to find out from why you people love this thing so much.

The only answer I seem to have got is that you're all a bunch of slaves to merchandise who enjoy being raped for money in order to get the coolest latest dildo manufactured to look like a light saber.

Well done you guys, I bet you're really proud to be devoting your lives to such a worthy cause. I wish I had the money to throw away at George Lucas so he can get a new car every second week. Really, I do.

How exactly am I a slave to merchandise. I haven't bought anything Star Wars related besides a fair few books, and one of the films in my whole life. Oh no, put the shackles on me now George, and make sure to put that dildo in deep, cause I'm ****ed for definate now. The books aren't even released by any of Lucas's companies, but by publishers like Del Ray.

And no, i'm not devoting my life to it, and I seriously doubt most people are. I read the books every now and again, and maybe once a year, I watch the films. The people who devote their life to it are tards who aren't all there, same as with things like evercrack and shooting spree's cause of vice city. They cling to it, and use it as a replacement for real life. But you get people doin it with nearly anything. Star Wars isn't an exception.

Clue up, and fu(k off. The movies were alright, the expaned universe is a lot better, and the reason we "devote" ourselves is we like them.