metallica vs megadeth

niallith

which do yas think r the better band /??

feylya

Now, which memebers of Megadeth are you trying to compare to which members of Metallica? Could be early Metallica to late Megadeth..... Still, I think Metallica are slightly better. That said, I haven't heard much Megadeth.

quank

I think Megadeth are better since they are not sell outs and they didn't make a ****ty new album
And genrally their songs are better
Metallica have classics but it doesn't count for Megadeths greatnessessess

feylya

Originally posted by quank
I think Megadeth are better since they are not sell outs and they didn't make a ****ty new album

The reason they didn't make a ****ty new album is because they don't exist any more in any real band capacity. And I'd be interested to hear your definition of how Metalica "sold out".

niallith

well for this ive gone for megadeth
firstly cause they hav consistancy all of there albums were very good and very little betweeb them
metallica were consistant until load :S then they jus went bad like load and reload arent to bad but alot worse than wat the had b4
and megadeths guitar rhythms r much better aswell
like in she wolf
but stil metallica r stil brilliant band and amazing live seen them in august
and also i think dave mustaine is great guitarist better than hetfield and his singin is really cool

Ancient1

oh boy here we go again...:D

I'll abstain!:)

feylya

Originally posted by Ancient1
oh boy here we go again...:D

I'll abstain!:)

I'm beginning to wish I had......

quank

Originally posted by feylya
The reason they didn't make a ****ty new album is because they don't exist any more in any real band capacity. And I'd be interested to hear your definition of how Metalica "sold out".

megadeth COULD of made a ****ty album, but they didnt
metallica.... did
metallica are sell outs since they made St Anger, which was obviously not their own idea, they are becoming a bit too commercial and the worst thing of all
they cut their hair........ tut tut

feylya

Oh no, they cut their hair. Their hair. Hmmm. How do you know St Anger wasn't their idea? Where you in the recording studio? No? Neither was I but I doubt someone came in and said "You're making this album".

Fuhrio

I'll agree with the fact that St. Anger was pure crap in a box but i dont think they sold out, there just gettin a little more recognition now...


Tool would kick metallicas and megadeaths asses any day!;)

feylya

You know, I really have to laugh at all the people calling St Anger crap in a box, or whatever. Id love to see you recording something better. Personally, I love the album. I think it's really good, really different.

And this isn't a Tool vs Metallica thread, it's Metallica vs Megadeth. Please keep on topic. Thank You.

quank

But why is it good?
They are being less original and less every time they are releasing albums

Couldja post the reasons why ye like the album, pweez?

quank

Originally posted by Fuhrio

Tool would kick metallicas and megadeaths asses any day!;)

tut tut
no "A" u fewl.... :ninja:

niallith

i dont think theyve sold out wit st. anger its jus aint up to the capibilities i think was quite dissapointed wit it tbh not even a solo in it :S only good songs from it are st.anger and frantic but there old stuff makes up for it easily

feylya

Ok, it's a bunch of (imo) good songs, well written, well played, some interesting lyrics, interesting riffs played in interesting tunings. It's just something different, something that hits some chord in my head that makes me like it. Invisible Kid is now one of my favourite songs because it reflects the last couple of years of my life. Happy now?

quank

Okay, fair enough, you like the songs, but its just not metallica style
They are changing.
Its like saying if they do Brintney Spears covers from now on and people liked it, but i personaly wouldnt since i dont like Britney Spears' songs from the start. just retorical :rolleyes:
They should of just left other bands to play songs like the songs on St. Anger

Just aint them..... *sniff

feylya

Originally posted by quank
Just aint them..... *sniff

TBH, I admire them for having the balls to play something other than the fans expected. They don't owe the fans anything imo. They've released many great albums but to have the balls to play something completely different has got to deserve some respect. Look at Load. Completely different to Puppets or Black yet still an album packed with amazing songs - King Nothing, Hero Of The Dya, Until It Sleeps....

nesthead

Megadeth always have been and always will be better than metallica on every level. Dave Mustaine getting kicked out of Metallica was problably the best thing that ever happened to him.

Mustaine is not only a hell of lot better than Hetfield and Hammet (who are both absolutley ****e guitaists) but a better singer than James and plays very complicated rythms while singing a different rythm at the same time!

Ellefson is hell of a lot better than Newstead and especially that joke Trujillo. Jimmy DeGrasso is far better than Ulrich, whos is probably the most over-rated drummer of all time.

Al Pitrelli, well Mustaine considers Al is better than him, and well, Kirk is plain ****.

so in all :
Metallica crap
Megadeth...........AMAZING

feylya

Originally posted by nesthead
(who are both absolutley ****e guitaists)

And who are you to call them ****e guitarists? Can you play better? I'd like to hear some samples if you think you can.

xx

Originally posted by feylya
And who are you to call them ****e guitarists? Can you play better? I'd like to hear some samples if you think you can.

This is the second time you've thrown in that "I'd like to see you record something better" whinge. Listen sonny, music is a buyers market. If its $hit, people won't buy it or if they do, they'll badmouth the fcuk out of it (on places like the web, for example). So whether people can hold a tune or not is not the issue here - its whether they like metallica or megadeth more.
As for me, I would've said Metallica....that is, until I heard 'Peace Sells' and 'Sweating Bullets'.

quank

gawd
that is so immature
Does it matter if nesthead cant play better?
Slike saying if some one said Lars was damn ugly
DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF THEY ARE NICER LOOKIN!?!
(everyone is prob:rolleyes: )

niallith

thats jus ben stubborn now tho :S hetfield and kirk are brilliant guitarists they was voted 9th and 12th best guitarists ever i think
but thats very good point about mustaine
and plays very complicated rythms while singing a different rythm at the same time! thats true and wats makes him as good as he is

feylya

Originally posted by xx
This is the second time you've thrown in that "I'd like to see you record something better" whinge. Listen sonny, music is a buyers market. If its $hit, people won't buy it or if they do, they'll badmouth the fcuk out of it (on places like the web, for example). So whether people can hold a tune or not is not the issue here - its whether they like metallica or megadeth more.
As for me, I would've said Metallica....that is, until I heard 'Peace Sells' and 'Sweating Bullets'.

Ah you remember my posts. I'm honoured. Just don't call me sonny. I just can't stand to see people calling others "****e guitarists". A **** guitarist does not come up with the many riffs that Kirk and James have. That is all.

feylya

Originally posted by quank
Slike saying if some one said Lars was damn ugly
DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF THEY ARE NICER LOOKIN!?!

Damn I'm confused. What have looks got to do with it????

quank

lol, i felt like poo-ing lars

feylya

Originally posted by quank
lol, i felt like poo-ing lars

Good call

Karl Hungus

I'm voting Metallica.

They were the band that got me into metal all those years ago, and I've still many, many fond memories of them, even if I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire nowadays...

cournioni

Megadeth all the way! Simply because of the fact that they are better in all aspects of their music than Metallica are and also the fact that Mustaine wrote half of Metallica's early albums (Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning). I know Lemming will come on here disagreeing with me again ( ), but this is just my opinion.

I think Metallica died with Cliff, and Bob Rock just put the nails on the coffin. If Metallica still had Mustaine they would be 100 billion times a better band because Hammett ruins alot of Metallica's songs with his stupid wah pedal (its good to have in some solos, but Jesus Christ!). He has been using the one scale for the past ten years and now he has totally retired the position as a lead guitarist. I'd say Joe Satriani is ashamed when he watches Hammett nowadays.

I have been at both of their concerts in recent years and Megadeth are a far better live act than Metallica ("You're our family" :rolleyes: ), who rely on very cheesy speeches in between songs to get the crowd going. And to be honest, I'd rather go to see Megadeth from behind a massive pillar than see Metallica as a VIP.

Now to summarise the positions in the band:
Vocals: I'd prefer Mustaine's voice to Hetfield, I like Hetfields voice though.

Lead Guitar: Chris Poland, Jeff Young, Marty Freidman and Al Pitrelli all knock massive lumps out of Hammett. No doubt about it.

Rhythm Guitar: Again very tight but Mustaine plays more complicated rhythms and he also plays a few solos. Hetfield isn't as good as Mustaine.

Bass: Cliff Burton is the king so I'll just say that David Ellefson is far better than Trujillo and Newsted.

Drums: Gar Samuelson is the king here, unbelievable drummer. Lars Ulrich is a joke of a drummer (even though he likes to think that he's damn good, he isn't). Chuck Behler, Nick Menza and Jimmy De Grasso are infinate times better than Ulrich.

nesthead

nice one pornapster, exactly what im thinkin ( i was gonna use most of what you said in backing up my arguements )

jesus Feylya, you as a musician yourself should know that Hammet and Hetfield are crap guitarists. and i would be better than them both if i had the time, a year or two of solid playing would do it.

the thing that annoys me so much about Hetfield and Hammett, Hammett in particular, is that they are put into this "greatest guitarists ever"or "amazing instrumentalists" catagory when they are clearly just band guitarists. Hammet is often put up there with people such as Vai, Satriani and Malmsteen but is no where even near that standard. if had Satriani teaching me and i turned out to be as **** as Kirk is, id prably feel pretty ashamed at myself.
as Pornapster said, learn a new ****ing scale Kirk.

feylya

I'll agree with you that Hammett only seems to play one scale. But I didn't compare them to Malmsteen, Vai, Satriani, Petrucci et al. As for Hammett and Hetfield being poor guitarists, look at the diversity of all their albums - from stupidly heavy crushing riffs to clean classical pieces.

Quatre Mains

- while musical virtuosity is a big part of metal you can't say it makes one band better than the other, its the songwriting.Otherwise on that logic Malmsteen et all would be the greats of metal.

- IMO both bands albums in the mid-to-late eighties are classics,
and really drove metal in a new direction, but the quality of music dipped after that. Rust in Peace and the Black album are good but both have aged badly in parts. With the albums after that from both bands I find myself hitting the 'next song' button on the stereo a lot, searching for the few diamonds in the rough (Fuel, Reckoning Day etc.).

- I don't think Metallica 'sold out' any more than Megadeth did. Remember that they released no videos till 'One'. And haircuts mean nothing, why should they -does that mean
Rush, Pearl Jam etc. are all crap?

Nor should anyone care about what the bands say outside the albums - for f*cks sake a lot these guys have been junkies and lived a completely off the wall life. I'd look elsewhere for pearls of wisdom - watch Rusted Pieces and you'll see what I mean.

Neil

Antisocialiser

Why is there no solos on St Anger?

















Kirk lost his wah pedal!!

cournioni

LMAO, nice one!

Doctor J

Gotta go for Megadeth...

They started of excellently Kill 'Em All & Ride The Lightning VS Killing Is My Business & Peace Sells - I can't pick a favourite out of these.

Third album Master Of Puppets VS So Far, So Good... So What - Master is the better album but I saw Megadeth on this tour (with Sanctuary in support) and Dave Mustaine's heroin addiction is directly responsible for me starting to play bass - he was offstage shooting up (allegedly) while David Ellefson played the bass intro to These Boots... over and over for about 3 or 4 minutes... I thought to myself, "Yeah, bass is a cool instument... gotta get me one of them" - Then again, Orion is on Master so Metallica gets the vote.

...And Justice For All VS Rust In Peace - Well Justice is a f*cking classic but there's no bass. Rust In Peace I listened to every day for about six months after it came out, the musicianship is immense, it's still one of my favourite albums. Both bands were unbelievably good on the tours for these albums... I'd probably go for Megadeth though... just

Black album VS Countdown to Extinction - No contest, they're both OK albums but Megadeth still had excellent guitar solos and double bass drumming, Metallica had one solo played over every song. Megadeth for me.

The Shyte album period. Load & Reload VS Youthanasia, Crytic Writing & Risk. Megadeth were awful but Metallica were worse... much worse (and I say this as someone who owns a copy of Risk):D

Megadeth then relalised the error of their ways and made a reasonably good album The World Needs A Hero with some good riffs and some classy solos, then put out a f*cking excellent live album which I'd recommend to anyone, Rude Awakening (anyone who wants to learn guitar just pick up the DVD), then split up. They had seen the error of their ways and tried to make amends.

Metallica put out Garage Inc (only good stuff was recorded before 1990 IMO) and then Stanger, the solo free album. No contest - Megadeth wins, Metallica continue to drift in a sea of their own medicrity (thanks Spinal Tap).

Metallica also subdued one of the finest bassist in Metal, Jason Newsted. If you don't believe me, just check Kazaa for anything off Doomsday For The Deceiver. Plus Bob Rock plays bass on one of their albums.

Metal wouldn't be as good as it is if it weren't for these two bands, Megadeth redeemed themselves while Metallica continue to piss all over their legacy.

cournioni

And lets not forget lads that Mustaine co-wrote most of the stuff on Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning.

niallith

yeh exactly and his version of four horsemen (mechanix) is much better imo

metalish

I voted for Metallica but everything they did up to the Black Album they went very soft after that album if ya know what i mean. there concert still rocked big time but im hoping Iron Maiden on december 1st will be even better

j0e9o

Feylya, would you **** up. St. ANger is the worst metallica album ever If i want to hear the same crap song with a different name played 11 times i will listen to nirvana. I bet you are a new trendie fan who really likes avril lavigne and once you heard she was doing a metallica song jumped on the band wagon. Obviously metallica know that st anger is ****, why do you think they only play 2 songs from it in their live gigs? MetallicA's ability to produce a good album finished at ...AND jUSTICE fOR aLL. Black, Load and Re-Load are not great albums but have good songs. I agree that Megadeth are better musicians but definetly do not produce as many high quality songs as metallica. whoever thinks mustaine is a better singer than hetfield is a retard and should go and listen to Blink 182 cos you are more welcome there. Yes metallica did sell out but so what, simply ignore that and remember the good old songs, Creeping Death, Battery, Dyers Eve, Seek and Destroy, (name a good one from each good album) and if you ever saw them live then you would know how good they are. In conclusion i prefer MetallicA but the real purpose of this post is to say that St. Anger is a **** album and that if i was playing for as long as metallica i probably could produce a better album.

SirLemonhead

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER


Now to summarise the positions in the band:
Vocals: I'd prefer Mustaine's voice to Hetfield, I like Hetfields voice though.

Lead Guitar: Chris Poland, Jeff Young, Marty Freidman and Al Pitrelli all knock massive lumps out of Hammett. No doubt about it.

Rhythm Guitar: Again very tight but Mustaine plays more complicated rhythms and he also plays a few solos. Hetfield isn't as good as Mustaine.

Bass: Cliff Burton is the king so I'll just say that David Ellefson is far better than Trujillo and Newsted.

Drums: Gar Samuelson is the king here, unbelievable drummer. Lars Ulrich is a joke of a drummer (even though he likes to think that he's damn good, he isn't). Chuck Behler, Nick Menza and Jimmy De Grasso are infinate times better than Ulrich.

Good post. I really do hate seeing polls or whatever listing Hetfield above Mustaine as a rhythm player. Dave is by far a more technical player than Hetfield. And Metallicas riffs are hardly as good as made out to be. Their 'chug the e string lots, then play a powerchord or two, then e chug' formula to me isnt interesting rhythm. Listen to Rust in peace by Megadeth for great rhythm playing.

Megadeth always had better musicians in the band than Metallica. Kirk is an ok guitarist, I won't say I hate him, but his solos bore me. I think Lars is a terrible drummer and that Hetfield is totally over-rated.

I still had quite alot of respect for Metallica during the Load/Reload days. It didnt feel like they were following any trends. St Anger to me felt like their sell-out point. Crap repetative riffs, ****ty singing and no soloing. Total nu-metal i'm afraid

quank

and OMG could that back up singing but any crapper....
*sniff...
it brings tears to my eyes

cournioni

Originally posted by thomasmckinless
I agree that Megadeth are better musicians but definetly do not produce as many high quality songs as metallica. whoever thinks mustaine is a better singer than hetfield is a retard and should go and listen to Blink 182 cos you are more welcome there.

Yes metallica did sell out but so what, simply ignore that and remember the good old songs, Creeping Death, Battery, Dyers Eve, Seek and Destroy, (name a good one from each good album) and if you ever saw them live then you would know how good they are. In conclusion i prefer MetallicA but the real purpose of this post is to say that St. Anger is a **** album and that if i was playing for as long as metallica i probably could produce a better album.

Ah now come on, You are saying that Kill the King, Hangar 18, Holy Wars, Peace Sells, Symphony of Destruction, Sweating Bullets, Tornado Of Souls, Reckoning Day, Wake Up Dead etc. Aren't all classics?! And there definately is nothing wrong with Mustaines singing. There might be something wrong with your ears mate.

And just so all you Metallica only fans can see it if you haven't heard any of Megadeth's stuff yet. These are the songs that Dave Mustaine wrote for Metallica, who were told not to use his stuff after he was kicked out of the band...

The Four Horsemen
Jump in the Fire
Phantom Lord
Metal Militia
Ride The Lightning
The Call of Ktulu

Fairly decent songs there... Don't you think?

SirLemonhead

Don't forget Dave's uncredited riff from Leper Messiah

cournioni

Oh yeah, I knew I left out something on Puppets.

Deadwing

Okay, i basically couldnt be arsed reading all the other posts, but i saw how some people dont think metallica sold out. Okay. If you dont think metallica are sell outs, then youre more than likely a new metallica fan who think "St. Anger totally rocks, man!!!" I was listening to metallica ages ago, so heres the facts:
1980's:Metallica are a speed metal band, when speed metal is profitable and popular
1990's:Metalica suddenly get a "grunge" look, lose the solos, and get all 'alternative' on our asses (see the until it sleeps video)
2000's:Suddenly its popular to be metal again (thanks in part to nu-metal) and lo and behold, Metallica are back!!! and wouldnt you know it, they sound like nu-metal...gosh, who couldve foretold this.
They change with the style of whats popular to make money, they have no musical integrity, therefore they are sell outs.

Lemming

Originally posted by Deadwing
Okay, i basically couldnt be arsed reading all the other posts, but i saw how some people dont think metallica sold out. Okay. If you dont think metallica are sell outs, then youre more than likely a new metallica fan who think "St. Anger totally rocks, man!!!" I was listening to metallica ages ago, so heres the facts:
1980's:Metallica are a speed metal band, when speed metal is profitable and popular
1990's:Metalica suddenly get a "grunge" look, lose the solos, and get all 'alternative' on our asses (see the until it sleeps video)
2000's:Suddenly its popular to be metal again (thanks in part to nu-metal) and lo and behold, Metallica are back!!! and wouldnt you know it, they sound like nu-metal...gosh, who couldve foretold this.
They change with the style of whats popular to make money, they have no musical integrity, therefore they are sell outs.

this is not directed at you Dreadwing ... but I just have to say this:

"Wahhh wAHHHHhhh WAHhhhhhh ...
Me no like Metalca no more. They no write 6 albums all sound same. Wahhhhh
wahhhhhhhhhhhh

/me does mocking tantrum rolling aroudn the floor kicking feet"


There. I feel so much better now

lads, seriously ... do you want a band that evolves, or churns out tthe same old tried and test formula because they know it'll make them money. Now which of those options is "selling out" ......

My preference would be for Metallica, although I quite like some of Megadeths stuff, although I do think that Mustaine rates alongside Lars in being a total kn0b-end

Doctor J

Originally posted by Deadwing

1980's:Metallica are a speed metal band, when speed metal is profitable and popular

Speed Metal popular and profitable?

I was there, I don't remember that! Metallica helped create and form thrash/speed metal, whatever you want to call it. Metallica were always pushing forward, right up until they released the black album, their first step on a terminal slide into mediocrity. Speed metal was never popular to the extent of nu-metal or whatever shyte is in fashion today. I saw Metallica, Slayer and Megadeth in 88 and Anthrax in 89. Three of those gigs were in the Top Hat in Dun Laoghaire and Megadeth was in the Olympic Ballroom. All of those venues would fit in the Point Depot together with room to spare. Any money the bands made was from selling t-shirts at the gigs, it was never profitable.

You can say whetever you want about Metallica these days, but those first four albums are fycking Matthew, Mark, Luke and John of the Metal bible.

Respect those albums.