bad-guy-wins-in-the-end films

quank

Well the title is quite self-explanetory...
What do you think about films when the bad guy wins?
I can only remember two films I saw that the bad guy won in
---- The Hole
---- Stranger (or something like that )
The Hole was an excellent film, but at the end it just annoys me \o/
sigh..... i hate crazy girls.....
Anywho, what films did you see that the bad guy wins?
Did it piss you off?
Or did you like the originality and and unpredictability?

flogen

not that im that bothered about seeing the hole, you do realise that youve possibly ruined the end for anyone here who is.
I suggest using a spoiler in future....

Flogen

tman

lol, isn't the hole on this wednesday?
i was actually looking forward to watching it:rolleyes:

Magic Monkey

Originally posted by quank
Anywho, what films did you see that the bad guy wins?

Arlington Rd. (in a way)

Did it piss you off?

Depends upon who you consider the "bad guys"... :rolleyes:

Tusky

everyone should use spoilers if your going to be giving away the end of movies jeez , use yisser heads

flogen

for f*ck sake havent you people ever heard of spoilers!

thats another film with the ending all but ruined

Flogen

echomadman

in fairness the thread title implies spoilers.
how do you discuss this topic without them?
the whole thread would

look like this and it would be a pain in the ass to read, think for a second about a threads title before leaping in

flogen

well if needs be, consider the person who wants to put up a suggestion for bad guy endings but doesnt want to see the others, without spoilers s/he is likely to spot at least one

Flogen

Lord Nikon

swordfish . Films leave room for a sequel if the bad guy wins, well i think so anyway

Terminator

Vin Diesel was refreshingly anti-hero in Pitch Black.

phreak

The Usual Suspects

one of the best "bad-guy-wins-in-the-end" films.

yellum

Matrix Revolutions

Didn't see that coming but well, at least it makes it darker.

hamster

Angel Heart - with Mickey R. and Robert De Niro as the devil.

flogen

Terminator said:

Vin Diesel was refreshingly anti-hero in Pitch Black.

Theres a bit of a difference between anti hero and bad guy.

an anti hero is just that, a hero but one that uses unconventional methods to reach his/her noble goals

a bad guy is someone who is out for themselves or in search of an evil goal who will do anything to aid his/her own good rather than the greater good.

Flogen

elexes

swordfish


rar

the hole sux btw . i like'd the cast and the way the film was done but i just didnt like the film . though it couldnt of been told any other way then the way it was

Oswald Osbourne

The 'bad guys' won

in Wicker Man.

Verdict :

The film probably wouldn't have been 1/10th as powerful had the Edward Woodward character got away. So I guess it can be a good thing!

TomTom

Seven

ObeyGiant

Memento

sceptre

Kind Hearts and Coronets (though I think of him as the good guy)

Spartacus (kind of, at least the good guy gets crucified)

Amadeus (again, kind of, depends on who you see as the "good guy" though)

Jean de Florette (if you ignore the sequel)

Michael Collins (deValera becomes President):p

tman

can someone just close this ****ing thread, that's 2 upcoming films ruined for me now:mad:
(recorded memento...)

GuanYin

The Empire Strikes Back
Se7en
Scanners
Invasion of the body snatchers.

tends to happen in alot of horros films actually.

ObeyGiant

Originally posted by tman
can someone just close this ****ing thread, that's 2 upcoming films ruined for me now

What the hell are you doing reading a thread called "Bad guy wins in the end" if you don't want to read the endings? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Eye

whoever suggested memento, what are you talking about???

the bad guys does'nt win/live, if you payed attention to the film, the story runs backwards and one of the first things you see is the bad guy being shot.

i would have to agree with the usuall suspects, class film ending, probably one of the best i've seen to date.

tbh i don't think enough films do leave the bad guys win, i'd like to see more of them, can't quite remember fully but i think swordfish was another where travolta lived at the end, must watch the dvd again sometime to see if i'm right lol

as for people bitch'in about spoiling films for them by reading this.... what are you expecting having read the title??

ObeyGiant

Originally posted by Eye
whoever suggested memento, what are you talking about???

the bad guys does'nt win/live, if you payed attention to the film, the story runs backwards and one of the first things you see is the bad guy being shot.

Sorry guy, looks like you weren't paying attention to the movie.
Joey Pantoliono, the guy who was shot at the beginning, was not the bad guy at all. If anything, he was a friend. Carrie-Ann Moss's character manipulated Guy Pearce's character to make him think Joey Pants was the bad guy. What the audience realises at the end of the film is that Guy Pearce could have killed the bad guy ages ago, and not remembered it.

So, for this reason, the bad guys 'won'.

Cake Fiend

We need a moron filter on topics like these. I'm off to create a thread called 'In-depth discussion of the surprise endings of movies' and we'll see how many of these geniuses come on and complain about spoiler tags.

Eye

well memento is one of those films which even critics say is open to interpritation ...

"since many aspects of Memento can be interpreted in more than one way (for example, during one critical conversation, it's up to each audience member to determine whether or not Teddy is telling the truth - Nolan does not offer a "definitive" answer), it's possible for one movie-goer to have a completely different vision of the film's backstory than the person sitting next to him/her. "

so far enough depending on which way you look at it i guess you could think that maybe Joe Pantoliano is'nt the bad guy. to me all the evidensce seemed to point towards him alright, but i can also see why you might think he is innocent :-\

guess we gotta agree to differ on that film

spooiirt!!

i think its good when the "bad" guy wins in the end. usually the good guy is a two dimensional goody little two shoes who id like to dismember with an axe!! most of the time the baddies have more interesting characters anyway. you know the t.v. show "early edition"? the main guy in that is a typical good little boy! id like to hack him to bits with my axe!

davil

Originally posted by Phreak
The Usual Suspects

one of the best "bad-guy-wins-in-the-end" films.

THE best. Well the best I can remember anyway

davil

Originally posted by Sico
We need a moron filter on topics like these

How can we implement such a filter?
I believe morons can be detected by their slow reflexes, so perhaps you should put a little flash game on boards at the start to test the posters and if you aren't good enough, you get sent to

www.barneyonline.com/

superfly

i dont mind people spoiling old films cos if you aint seen it yet
why not!
but dont spoil upcoming movies that arent released yet!

Quigs Snr

Fallen.

koneko

Originally posted by Eye
so far enough depending on which way you look at it i guess you could think that maybe Joe Pantoliano is'nt the bad guy. to me all the evidensce seemed to point towards him alright, but i can also see why you might think he is innocent :-\

Memento spoilers below, don't read if you haven't seen the film....

I don't agree, we see who killed her and how. We also very clearly see the way Carrie-Ann Moss and Guy Pearce's characters manipulate the situation to get what they want (or don't want). Joe Pantoliano's character didn't kill the wife, I don't think that's open to interpretation at all. He's a bad guy in one sense (he was also taking advantage of Guy Pearce's character), but he didn't kill the wife.

tman

Originally posted by ObeyGiant
What the hell are you doing reading a thread called "Bad guy wins in the end" if you don't want to read the endings? That makes no sense whatsoever.

i just assumed that people would have a bit of cop on & not ruin the ending to films that are going to be on tv within a week of posting.
smeh

wild_eyed

Originally posted by yellum

Matrix Revolutions

Didn't see that coming but well, at least it makes it darker.

did u see it? is it good? dont say anymore than necessary.

ixoy

Originally posted by ObeyGiant
What the hell are you doing reading a thread called "Bad guy wins in the end" if you don't want to read the endings? That makes no sense whatsoever.

No what makes no sense is people who spoilt upcoming movies not having enough brains to realise that they'll spoil it for practically everyone because hardly anyone could possibly have seen the damned movie. I'm spoilt too now and I'm also pissed.

Dr. Loon

Originally posted by ixoy
No what makes no sense is people who spoilt upcoming movies not having enough brains to realise that they'll spoil it for practically everyone because hardly anyone could possibly have seen the damned movie. I'm spoilt too now and I'm also pissed.

I agree with this also. Bugger all people will have seen Yellum's contribution.
Yellum - you are a fúcking idiot. Big time.

quank

ARGH!
damn yellum!
ONE- how the hell did u see it already?
TWO- im sorry if my will power is to a minimum
THREE- yellum plz dont say anything more about the film
or any other unrealsed film
PLAY-AZ lovey:)

FirA_Fascio

wait... how did Yellum even see it?

someone should have him shot for ruining it like that, and i hope he's wrong :mad:

ixoy

To prison! Cast him in irons and chuck him in prison!!!

GUI

swordfish

travolta is on the boat with halle berry

respect

Bannor

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest