Gaelic Football for the Playstation 2

Imposter

The title says it all really.

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The question is how realistic will it be!

Will Meath be the dirtiest team?
Will Ulster football be boring?
Will Dublin make themselves favorites every year only to lose in the annual shock of the century?
Will Canavan be a cheating *****?

henbane

But the GPA are going to go after them over image rights which means it will probably never get released. They're already claiming they had a deal done with an irish company to make one which this game will ruin - the joys of radio 1 being on when you're having your breakfast. I reckon the GPA should do a deal where they don't get image rights for this but get more leeway on other stuff.

Given that there are more PlayStations per head of the population in Ireland than any other country outside of Japan, the development of such a game is hardly surprising.

Is this really true? I know it was for the PS1 but I hadn't heard the same was true of the PS2 yet?

It's a bit of a false statement if they're talking about economics of a major game release. Ireland has a very low population when it comes to markets like this.

Imposter

But you've got to remember the development costs of this game are relatively low seeing as the engine is there from the Aussie rules game.

Also don't forget they brought out an angling game a few years ago. I'd imagine the potential audience for Gaelic Football would be bigger. Also quite a big market in America and in general with ex-pats so it's not just in Ireland that it would sell.

Yavvy

I dont own a PS2 but if they release this game I will buy one.

God I would just love that.. I could beat meath any time i wanted I wouldnt have to wait till summer.

and that goes for you you too :

Armagh
Tyrone
Laois
Kerry
Cork
Kildare
Galway
Donegal
...and louth and Cavan

They rest of the counties dont matter.

Yavvy

A STAND-OFF over image rights is brewing between the GAA and the GPA, following the announcement by Association President Sean Kelly yesterday of a planned Gaelic football game being developed for the Sony PlayStation 2.

The player's body had been developing a similar game in conjunction with an indigenous multi-media company run by ex-Longford footballer, Frank McNamee, and a prototype had already been created.

However, Kelly's announcement that contracts have been agreed between Sony Computer Entertainment Ireland, the GAA, and Melbourne-based IR Guns, to manufacture a Gaelic football game, looks like ending the GPA plan.

While acknowledging that a PlayStation game is excellent for the promotion and stature of our national sports, GPA Chief Executive Dessie Farrell expressed disappointment at yesterday's announcement.

"The GPA is disappointed that the very ethos of the GAA has been undermined by Croke Park itself, to the detriment of a small indigenous Irish company managed by one of its own, a former county player.

"This company was projecting six additional jobs from our own proposed co-operative venture, but the GAA's agreement, endorsing the overseas
development and manufacturing of a competing product for the Irish market, is a severe setback.

"Whilst it's understandable that playing gear cannot be manufactured domestically at all times in the modern era, this project presented an unique opportunity for the GAA and the fans to develop an innovative product in Ireland, support the players, and invest in Irish expertise."

GPA Commercial director Donal O'Neill feels the game could bring the issue of image rights to a head.

In many soccer games, there is a distorted version of the players' name. Kelly said no decision had been made in relation to image rights and how county players were going to be portrayed.

One option, utilised in soccer games, is a design enabling game-players to choose names themselves.

However, the GPA are unhappy at not being engaged in dialogue about image rights.

"It is interesting to note the reference to the issue of players' image rights, in the absence of any formal dialogue with the GPA," Farrell said.

"Whilst industry and, increasingly, definitive legal opinion, would advocate the co-operative commercial model adopted with similar ventures in other sports, including soccer, whereby the relevant players' image rights are commercially acknowledged in a formalised legal capacity, the GPA has yet to be approached in this instance."

Yavvy

GAA Playstation deal may scupper plans of Irish firm

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=95&si=1068436&issue_i
d=9960

THE GAA's partnership with Sony to produce a virtual Gaelic football game
for Playstation 2 looks to have scuppered Carphone Warehouse GPA plans for a
similar venture.

The Gaelic Players Association claim to have had "informal discussions" with
Croke Park officials to endorse a Gaelic football computer game that would
feature the names of top stars such as Peter Canavan, Seamus Moynihan and
Kieran McGeeney.

The GPA endorsed product is the brainchild of Multi Media Instructional
Design, a company set up by former Longford footballer Frank McNamee.

But now those plans, which were at an advanced stage and which the GPA felt
would yield decent money in image rights for players, may have to be shelved
because of the GAA's direct involvement with Sony.

Sony, the undisputed market leaders in this field, announced the new
initiative at a press conference in conjunction with the GAA in Melbourne
yesterday and are exploring a number of options as to how players names can
be incorporated.

The GAA/Sony product will be developed by the company IR Gurus who are
responsible for AFL Live, the top ranked game in Australia and it's
anticipated to be on the market next summer.

The attraction of these computer games is often the use of star names and in
football the GPA can claim to represent many of those. Yesterday's
development has left the players' body seething and casting some doubt as to
how the game could be a success without the support of these top players.

GPA chief executive Dessie Farrell said that the GAA had "isolated" them and
suggested this was why they had fast tracked the launch.

Without the backing of Sony, no product could hope to prosper in such a
small market of Ireland and Farrell admitted that any plans to go it alone
with another company would be difficult, even with strong player backing.

In a statement yesterday, Farrell outlined the recent history of their
dealings with McNamee's company and the GAA. He suggested that the GAA, in
partnership with the GPA, could have taken a healthy slice of the projected
EUR3m sales, based on a retail price of EUR60 for each game and secondary
advertising.

"Our arrangement licensed the company (MMID) to utilise our members' names
and images in return for a significant licensing fee and profit share," he
stated.

"Informal discussions were ongoing with Croke Park to mobilise a
co-operative model whereby all stakeholders (e.g players, county boards and
the GAA at central level) would gain through suitably structured commercial
terms.

"It is therefore lamentable that the GAA have elected to isolate the GPA and
effectively the players from a source of significant additional income," he
said.

In conclusion he expressed disappointment that the "very ethos of the GAA
has been undermined by Croke Park itself, to the detriment of a small
indigenous Irish company managed by one of its own, a former county player
(Frank McNamee)."

He added: "This company was projecting six additional jobs from our own
proposed co-operative venture, but the GAA's agreement endorsing the
overseas development and manufacturing of a competing product for the Irish
market is a severe setback.

"While it is understandable that playing gear, balls and sliotars cannot be
manufactured domestically at all times in the modern era, this project
presented an unique opportunity for the GAA and the fans to develop an
innovative product in Ireland, support the players and invest in Irish
expertise."

If the Gaelic football game is a success the GAA have plans with Sony to
develop a hurling game in the near future.

Colm Keys

cournioni

Well, whatever happens I hope the game is released and that all parties involved are happy. I've been dreaming of a game like this coming out one day. It will be class! And Cavan will once again be the reigning supreme All-Ireland champions!

gucci

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Well, whatever happens I hope the game is released and that all parties involved are happy. I've been dreaming of a game like this coming out one day. It will be class! And Cavan will once again be the reigning supreme All-Ireland champions!

they will have to beat the mighty ros first!!!!
what about hurling??is that being forgot about?surely they cud take bits out of a hockey game,golf,fishing and street fighter and it would be perfect

gucci

Originally posted by henbane



Is this really true? I know it was for the PS1 but I hadn't heard the same was true of the PS2 yet?

It's a bit of a false statement if they're talking about economics of a major game release. Ireland has a very low population when it comes to markets like this.

on the original link from the BBC website this was said..."We are projecting to have sold 480,000 PS2s in Ireland by March 2004 and this represents a huge opportunity for this title."
so i presume taht there more in england and other places than that

zAbbo

Hurling is ****e, anyway the angling/ fishing games are hugely popular and would easily outsell GAA 10 fold, Sea Bass anyone?

Imposter

Originally posted by bazH
Hurling is ****e, anyway the angling/ fishing games are hugely popular and would easily outsell GAA 10 fold, Sea Bass anyone?

Thanks for those very insightful comments. Care to explain anything you mentioned?

gucci

do u need to wear a gum shield when fishing??how could it be as entertaining??

zAbbo

Fishing games have a popular on a number of formats over the lat 10 or so years, the range of fishing games is quite impressive, with my personal fav being Billy Bobs Huntin and Fishin on the GB.

http://www.vgamecentral.com/f/Fishing_Video_Games/

Yavvy

im sure fishing is nail biting stuff..really..

ahem, anywho a gaa game would be a million times better and a million times more populat in ireland. more people know about fishing then GAA ...thats why it has had some popularity

gucci

Well both fishing and football both have fundamentally the same rules.....they involve great catchs and have ould fellas telling ya how ya should do it!

xlex

Found this, contains some interesting explainations...


AFL Live 2003 - Gaelic Football 2004 is likely to be based on the latest version of this game.
The PlayStation's already extensive lineup of sports games is going to get an unexpected addition in the summer of 2004. Gaelic Football - probably best described as a cross between soccer, basketball, rugby and boxing - is a sport primarily played in Ireland, but with a big following in England, the USA and Australia, the latter because of its similarities to Aussie Rules.
This similarity is also likely to be the reason that the game is actually in development with Melbourne-based IR Gurus in the hot seat, utilizing its AFL Live sports engine to recreate the rigors of Gaelic.

Gaelic football teams consist of 15 players, with up to five substitutions allowed during a match. The goal posts are similar to rugby, with tall upright posts intersected by a crossbar around seven feet from the ground. The ball can be kicked over the post for a single point or under for a goal, which counts as the equivalent of three points - though it's more difficult because there's a keeper.

Although the ball is regularly handled, it must be either bounced or kicked from foot to hand every four steps, and can only be passed to another player either by kicking or punching - but not throwing. Points and goals can only be scored by kicking.

The game, tentatively titled Gaelic Football 2004, is fully endorsed by the GAA or Gaelic Athletic Association - the official body that organizes Gaelic Football in Ireland as well as Hurling, which involves hitting a tiny leather ball with large hatchet-shaped sticks.

The game will feature motion captured 3D action graphics, league, provincial and All Ireland championships and recreations of the major GAA football grounds in Ireland - including Croke Park, home of the finals.

According to Niall O'Hanrahan, managing director of Sony Computer Entertainment Ireland, "it has always been an objective of SCE Ireland to deliver game content suitable to the Irish market and to satisfy the desires of Irish consumers. We are projecting to have sold 480,000 PS2s in Ireland by March 2004 and this level of household penetration represents a huge opportunity for this title".

"We are very proud to be given the opportunity to create the first Gaelic Football game officially licensed by the Gaelic Athletic Association," added Craig Laughton, CEO of IR Gurus.

Villain

Wonder will you be able to edit the teams.

CARLOW for the ALL-IRELAND!!!!!!!!!!

Knew we'd do it someday, even if it is only on a PS2!!!:p

Big Ears

][QUOTEOriginally Points and goals can only be scored by kicking.

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em u can hand pass the ball over the bar and u can punch the ball in the net from a pass.thats a fault rith there.

Yavvy

oh im sure they will be fully aware of that rule

cournioni

I wonder will they have all the Stadiums too. Like Croke Park, Clones, Kingspan/Breffni, Casement etc.

BigCon

What about the refs?

Will the game randomly decide which side to award a free to when a player falls on the ground and is surrounded by six or seven of the opposition?

Will the game have sending offs and also even up games by sending off the same number from each side, regardless of how innocent the tackle was?

Will there be "off the ball" incidents which end up with both parties escaping without punishment, or both parties being sent off?

Will the game favour the bigger counties?

It will be interesting to see if the game will be realistic in these aspects...

kmart6

Originally posted by BigCon
What about the refs?

Will the game randomly decide which side to award a free to when a player falls on the ground and is surrounded by six or seven of the opposition?

Will the game have sending offs and also even up games by sending off the same number from each side, regardless of how innocent the tackle was?

Will there be "off the ball" incidents which end up with both parties escaping without punishment, or both parties being sent off?

Will the game favour the bigger counties?

It will be interesting to see if the game will be realistic in these aspects...

Your being a bit picky on details.

heyprobally wont have all these for the first game but they might improve as they bring out new one's

BigCon

kmart6,

it's called sarcasm...;)

Yavvy

I for one picked up on and appriciated your sarcasm, but many a true word said in jest...these are all parts of the current game espically the 3rd man tackle which often goes unpunished.

projectmayhem

as most of you should be aware sony announced there will be a GAA game for PS2 coming sometime in the future, and all i heard was bad press from GAA fanatics. what's wrong with a gaa ps2 game?

ps2 is the most popular console in ireland, europe in fact, and it would be a great opportunity to show GAA to a new generation of soccer fans and europeans. i'm not a fan of gaa myself, but i think the GAA board and fans could earn a lot more fans, respect and of course, cash, by getting this going properly.

comments?

zAbbo

i think theres a hoo-raa because there were was another GAA game in development, by the Players Association or something.

kaimera

you be right BazH.

"image rights"

the GPA have plans for their own GAA game.
The GAA did a deal with Sony for the game due out next year.

problem is the GAA dont have the rights to use players images and such [Olly Kahn won a case against EA for infringing on his image rights {without his permisison} in one of the previous FiFa game]

thats the current sticking point.

picture playing with your county team with players names missing letters and what not.

yes yes, I do know that within a short while, somebody will have a "real players" crack on the tinterweb.

so Declan browne will get a deserved munster and all ireland medal at long last...

Yavvy

unlikely Tipp..even in a fantasy world he would loose:dunno: