Overclockers read this.

regi

Any minute now it arrives... *drool*

PS Reaper - am thinking about SGRAM for higher FSB speeds, any thoughts?

Creeper

CAS3 Low latency RAM is available but not in Ireland. Check www.anandtech.com.
PS: Getting your machine to 504 Mhz is really jammy. I got a good chip.
So even when you get yours, I'm still gonna be screaming "TAKE IT AMD LOVER!!!!!!"

regi

Aaah but will you still be screaming it when the K7 comes out, and pi$$es all over every other chip on the market? <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">

Creeper

No AMD has ever compared to it's Intel equivalent. EVER. And this isn't going to change. Like anyone can be ****ed downloading a special version of a program just to run on AMDs deviant hardware.

Dr_Teeth

AMDs have always been FAR cheaper than comparable intel chips - and remember this, with AMD - that nice cheap overclockable celery would never have been released. Competition is a Good Thing (tm). More power to AMD I say.

I get 75 fps in demo1 in Quake2 on my AMD, 30 fps in crusher1. <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">

Teeth.

Dr_Teeth

"without AMD", even.

sigh.
Teeth.

Gyck

I'm hoping to upgrade soonish, I've built a few AMD based PCs based on budget but have never had any luck overclocking them: they run really hot. I'm tempted by the Celerons, perhaps a 366. Anyone got any experience with them (366's)? How about motherboards, ABit/Elitegroup/Gigabytes?

Hummm.

Or stick to AMD, sharptooth, etc. etc.....

regi

The AMD K6-2s should overclock quite nicely, as they are quite cool, but you need the right motherboard for it. The TMC AI5VP is probably still the best Super 7 board out there, and is damn cheap too. So that's a cheap system that will outperform a PII of equal speed at most things except for software-driven 3D games. Wallop in a Voodoo II, and 3Dnow drivers, and then it'll beat the Pentium II. I'd imagine the K6-3 Sharptooth will be even better. Its got a redesigned core, and much more L2 cache on-chip, but will still lack the FPU punch of the Intel chips. But with a Voodoo II and the 3DNow drivers, it'll kick ****e outa Pentium IIs.

The K7 will rock the planet, but we'll have to wait several months for that, and its not going to be awfully cheap either. Except it to beat every other non-DEC chip out there.

For a cheap celeron solution, you just cannot beat the Celeron 300A, Abit BH6 combination. Amazingly fast, amazingly cheap, but as Creeper pointed out, they are REALLY rare now. As far as I'm aware, the newer Socket 370 celerons are either unoverclockable, or the performance doesn't warrent it. So go for the Slot 1 celerons.

Um, in 3 weeks, the Pentium IIIs are being released, so I'd imagine that the Pentium II prices will go down a great deal. In that case, you could pick up a Pentium II, BX board quite cheaply in a month or so.

Dan

H_K

AFAIK the new Intel chip being lauched later this quarter is P2, not P3 - the
450 and 500 Mhz P2's with Katmai instructions
im not sure what that means exactly performance wise <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)"> but in second quarter
P2 533 Katmai is due with a 133Mhz BUS Speed... god it said P2 where i rtead it, im not too surte about this <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">

btw cyrix Jade processors out later in 1999
whopping 600mhz to spank ass <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)"> then were in for 533/600 katmai celerons

but hey, if u wanna wait for 2000, you can get the 1GHZ intel chip, forget the name <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">

Mythago

In regards to o/c'ing a K6-2 I got my 300 at 350(3.5*100) gonna push it further when i get 128mb of sdram to replace the edo i got now, as for it bein s**te, it ain't awesome but i got my k6-2 & soyo mb for under 200 quid, cheaper than the celey at the time, so I'm not too pushed.

H_K

hey some new lads to the chips market have
released a new chip aimed at, and i quote
"ultra cheap" market <IMG SRC="http://lacerta.ucg.ie/boards/smile.gif&quot; WIDTH=15 HEIGHT=15 BORDER=0 ALT=":)">
its called somethin winchip and its 240mhz
MMX retailing at about £30 - lol the price of a game like

Creeper

Celeron 300A overclocked to 504/112 Mhz.
I bought possibly one of the last 300As left in the country since they aren't being produced anymore and our suppliers had only 10 left. A company called "Scientific Computers" in Dublin does a great deal....
IR£120 for a Celeron 300A with a special MONSTER fan module attached, THREE dirty fans cooling the thing! I got an A-Bit motherboard as well and to overclock to 450Mhz I didn't have to increase the core voltage. To get to 504Mhz however I had to set the voltage to 2.3V.
Benchmarks
(with Graphics Blaster RIVA TNT)+64MB Ram
QuakeI - Standing in a dark corner on DM4 - 386.86 FPS (Vid_mode 4, d_mipcap 3, 320X200)
Tunnel Direct 3d Benchmark - 96 FPS @ 1024X768X16
Geiss Visualisation Plugin for Winamp - ~22Fps

I take back all the bad things I said about Celeron's. They rock beyone belief.
My machine now outperforms a PII450 overclocked to 504Mhz.

TAKE IT.

Koopa

IDT Winchip...
it is **** for games..
amd K7 snoore.. it will cost more than a celeron equivalent.
although you have a point, if it wasnt for AMD, intel wouldnt ever have released the celeron

Gyck

Perhaps if everyone moved into their fridges and turned the temp waaaay down then we could do some serious overclocking.

And not have to go very far for beers.

Perhaps not.

I'll get my coat.

TinCool

Got a celeron 400a there a couple of weeks ago and have it o/c to 500 just changing the bus speed to 84 i think it was, and it's running grand with no problems.

Helv

Yeah, Dan. But hasn'tthere been byatchin about the Kryotech before, that the processor doesnt actually fit into the motherboard because of the covering aroung the processor and that a special bus had to be built for the contacts, which slows the thing down. Maybe theyve found a solution to this with the Athlon, i dont know.
Anyhows, my topence worth.

Kali

aye those Kryotech guys sure can make a nice system

Dr_Teeth

I've been running a Celeron 400a @ 450 for the last few months - it did NOT like 500.

So today I got a week 23 Malay (SL36C) OEM Celeron 366 for 100 quid irish including shipping and a GlobalWin fan. It's doing 550 baby yeah! Completely stable, without massive cooling, and on a 100Mhz bus.

That said, I'm sooo jealous of Suds! He and another EM member headed over to the launch of the Athlon in the TPF in London last night and they both won Athlon 600s! ARGH!!

Teeth.

regi

Ooooh that's bold!

Creeper

Cool, but did they get motherboards too?
Not really any good without them.
Any apparently the Athlon mbs cost 3 times as much as normal boards.
Athlon don't do multiprocessor yet either though.
PIII 450s are nice and cheap now and supposedly clock well.
Once I get some PC133 ram I'll buy an Abit bp6 dual board and lash 2 PIII450s in.
Should be nice and cheap, and hopefully Win2000 will be working by then.

Oh yeah, and I read somewhere that a batch of forbidden Celeron 300As (SL36A) surfaced somewhere, and were stable at 558 without cooling. WHAAAAT?

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Creeper

I wonder if the Merced or that Elbrus chip will clock well....hmmm.

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Bunny

"QuakeI - Standing in a dark corner on DM4 - 386.86 FPS (Vid_mode 4, d_mipcap 3, 320X200) "

Standing in corner....dm4...mipcap...217 fps on my p100.

Pete your machine is ****

*blow smoke loudly*

regi

The mobos are gonna be pricey for a bit, as AMD are the only crowd making the chipsets. But Ali and Via are promising chipsets very very soon, and if AMD can crank the volume of Athlon production up, we shuld see plenty of cheap Athlon options.

Another interesting thing is that apparently when the SMP chipsets come out, there'll be a socketed Athlon ala the Celeron, maybe running at 700-800 mgz. Now that'll be an SMP system

As for Merced, well it finally goes silicon next week, so they'll be able to see if the damn thing actually works in real life.

And that Elbrus chip - is that the Russian one? I doubt that'll ever get the funding to take off... pity

Finally, get yer PIII-450s quick - Intel stop making them in two weeks...

Dan


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regi

> No AMD has ever compared to it's Intel equivalent. EVER. And this isn't going to
> change. Like anyone can be ****ed downloading a special version of a program
> just to run on AMDs deviant hardware.

Hehehe... what was that you said???

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regi

Here's more...
http://www.kryotech.com/800index.asp

Monty - the one and only

Has any1 seen the evergreen upgrade chip?
P75 -> 333/400

go to www.evertech.com to see for yourselves

---

Soon you will call me MASTER

ste

Welllllllllllllll my Celery 266 has been running for nearly a year now (I COULD be wrong) at 450 mhz,

it's too easy to clock these cookies with my chaintech bh6 mobo !

I know it doesn't have 128k on die L2 cache, but tbh it plays quake DAMNED fast and it w000ps my auld p60.

It excites me even more as my homemade pc box has a name ... have a willllllllld guess !

WhiteWashMan

hahahahaha

i got a pII 400 running at 400mhz and im happy

take it pI owners!

ste

ah but celerons are p2's.


muhahahahahaha

just without that L2 cache !

regi

Pentium IIs were officially stopped being made today, whereas the Celerons are still in business... take it PII owners!

Kali

yeah but there's new competition in town:
The worlds smallest web-server!
hehe
http://www-ccs.cs.umass.edu/~shri/iPic.html

take it intel & microsoft nt!

Creeper

Celerons DO have cache. And it runs at full speed (like the PII Xeon).
A Celeron 500 outperforms a PIII 500 in floating point calculations - translation: it runs games faster.

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Spoonman

Anyone have any sucess overclocking celerons with 66mhz ram? like will the ram run stable at say 75mhz/83mhz?

Creeper

Spoonman, depends on the RAM. Loads of different kinds, and theyre all supposed to run at 66. Who knows, 100Mhz ram is nice and cheap now, and a decent motherboard is about 80 quid.

Overclocking ppl might like to check this out
http://cgi.tky.3web.ne.jp/~nrklv/nrklv/cgi-bin/softdl.cgi?sfsb170.exe


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regi

I think Ste's celeron was one of those clarence celerons without the cache, not the Celeron A.

ste

Don't knock my celery lad !