12 Monkeys

the_syco

So... at the end, does it

• all happen the same again?
• happen slightly different?
• the world gets saved?

I go fer the final one, on the basis that yer one is on the plane, as "insurance", and she wouldn't be there, if dude hadn't won, as such.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

the whole point of the movie was that the past could not be changed..

it all happened as it had already happened, the boy saw himself die. and went on to blah blah blah, and eventually die in that airport.

whether or not he helped humanity clean up the earth in 'the future' is uncertain..

ixoy

The past was immutable. Everything Willis did only helped create the future that he had been sent back from. There was never going to be any changing of the future - humanity could never be saved from its fate. What happened in the future once THEY had the serum is a different thing, but mankind was always doomed to be wiped out. It's much the same line as the original 'Terminator' movie took - those who came back, only helped shape the future they came back from.

Ro: maaan!

As I understand it, all that really happened in the entire film was that Cole discovered that The Army of the 12 Monkeys had nothing to do with the human race being wiped out. So once he told the people in the future this, they started going after the guy who really did it...

ixoy

Yes but the point being I don't think they ever intended to undo the future. After all that would mean undoing themselves. All they wanted was access to the original virus. The poignant point being that humanity would always be wiped out. Just like in

Terminator 3

Ro: maaan!

Exactly. They knew they couldn't change anything. They just wanted to get a sample of whatever it was that did it so as they could go about "curing" it in the future. Trouble was they were looking in the wrong place. At the end they found out it was that guy and sent yer one back to get the sample or whatever it was that they wanted.