Marvel Vs DC comics

Cable

The amazing question that i just cant accept hasnt been asked here yet.... so cmon whos gonna win this one???

Cable

.... and yes I did cast the fisrt vote... its my thread and il do what i want with it right!!!!

sixpack's little hat

they both have their good and bad points but... I'd have to pick DC.

TheSonOfBattles

I'd have to pick Marvel for the simple reason that Marvel at least make their comics easily accessible, i've yet to see any DC comics on any newsagents shelves here in Ireland, only in specialist shops. Which sucks, cause all those shops are up in Dublin or in Cork, and I don't go their all that often. Therefor I can't read them all that often. Simple.

Cable

ya i never got that... why dont dc go public in ireland??? i man marvel could do with the competition, and i know huge numbers into dc?????

weemcd

slow down highvoltage_ie you f*ckin ejit, you have posted on all the bloddy comics boards slow down you knob


]:) (ooh new smiley)

Cable

Slow down?? check the dates of my posts and the dates before that, Its very rare that some one even posts...if you dont like seeing my name then do some posts of your own

bus77

I was never really a mavel or dc comic reader, the comics I mostly got were the little commando ones, but I did find some dc in a bargain bin in some newsagent years ago.
I got about 10 issues and read em many times.
Anyway, DC gets my vote

Duo

I prefer Marvel. You know, their heroes are just... cooler. More human and identifiable with, at any rate. It might be that I'm just going on their older comics (like Superman and Batman) only, because, admittedly, I haven't read any of their other ones. But if it's between Superman and Spiderman... then, I'd take Marvel any day.

Cable

I know what you mean. Most of the Marvel characters seem more fleshed out, more human, I mean if you take away the mutant powers you're left with really decent characters. In DC apart from Batman and MAYBE Superman, you've essentially got a lot of moaning girlie girls

Kold

Marvel... erm... wtf, it was tied before my vote? people LIKE dc!?

As far as characters go, marvel.

As far as storylines go, marvel.

As far as artwork goes, marvel.

MARVEL MARVEL MARVEL!

Cable

yeah, i like it for a change when marvel start to win. I'm sharing a house with a guy who's DC crazy. Bugs the hell out of me when I walk into his room and his floor is littered with Green Lantern

][cEMAN**

Originally posted by TheSonOfBattles
I'd have to pick Marvel for the simple reason that Marvel at least make their comics easily accessible, i've yet to see any DC comics on any newsagents shelves here in Ireland, only in specialist shops. Which sucks, cause all those shops are up in Dublin or in Cork, and I don't go their all that often. Therefor I can't read them all that often. Simple.

If you're willing to pay for it I recommend you order them in. I know there's a forbidden planet in Belfast, don't know about cork/dublin, but you could choose one to get orders from, and you just have to pay them in advance say for a month, then top up every now and again and they send you out stuff based on how much credit you have left with them.

Kold

Cork have 'Other Realms', which is owned by a good friend of mine

simu

DC coz of the Vertigo range!

Cable

Theres is a forbidden planet in dublin to, I think other relams in cork do a new order system, but im not sure if they send them out out you? i know that they will order stuff in for you

joseph brand

theres a comic store between Tower Records and Hogans, one of the streets there(don't know name), full of old comics and new.


DC gets my vote cos of LOBO, 'Fanboy'.




What about 2000AD??? (Slaine, Judge Dread)

Cable

Ya i had considered putting more comics on...but marvel and DC are the big hitters, they're like arch rivals... why else would everyone get worked up over next months Dc Marvel crossover

][cEMAN**

Yeah there's always the option to put up all of the publishers and vote on them but I think the Marvel - DC rivalry has been the most talked about over the years.

I tell you what - i'll get a copy of Previews and put up a poll at some point with a list of all the different publishers and an option for other/independant as well.

de5p0i1er

Gotta be Marvel they use real locations not made up citys, and there are some much better charecters in there collection.

deadeye940

Agreeing with Simu. DC wins because of Vertigo. and DC characters, at least some of them, seems to have better stories, both current and back stories.

Ridley

2003? Yikes.

deadeye940 wrote: »

Agreeing with Simu. DC wins because of Vertigo. and DC characters, at least some of them, seems to have better stories, both current and back stories.

Prefer Marvel myself. Think DC tends to care more about the cape than the character as it were. Haven't read that much DC material in comparison to be fair, but a lot of the time I'm not quite convinced that DC's superheroes occupy the same place (though the Marvel Universe being mostly centered around New York certainly helps).

I do think DC is better at making space look vast, mind. Feels to me like the Skrulls, Kree, Galactus, Starjammers, Thanos etc. are just around the corner from Marvel's Earth waiting to show up.

Fysh

Really? REALLY? This uninteresting load of old arsegravy masquerading as a conversation was worth resurrecting from its 10-year necrosleep?

*sigh*

Thwip!

I imagine a conversation about the effectiveness of the New 52 vs NOW! would make for a better discussion

Fysh

Thwip! wrote: »

I imagine a conversation about the effectiveness of the New 52 vs NOW! would make for a better discussion

The reboots would be a useful recent touchstone, but more than that I'd prefer a conversation where people actually tried to flesh out their position rather than making silly comments like "Marvel use real cities" or "barring one or two exceptions, DC's characters are a bunch of moaning girls".

I dislike this "Who's better? LET THE POLL DECIDE!" approach to what amounts to a question of preference - if someone likes a title or set of titles, it's interesting to read about why they like those titles, especially if it's someone whose tastes vary from my own.

Thwip!

Fysh wrote: »

The reboots would be a useful recent touchstone, but more than that I'd prefer a conversation where people actually tried to flesh out their position rather than making silly comments like "Marvel use real cities" or "barring one or two exceptions, DC's characters are a bunch of moaning girls".

I dislike this "Who's better? LET THE POLL DECIDE!" approach to what amounts to a question of preference - if someone likes a title or set of titles, it's interesting to read about why they like those titles, especially if it's someone whose tastes vary from my own.

That's very true, I think between the two of us (as an example) even we have very different tastes when it comes to what titles we like and discussions like that would be of great intrigue

Fysh

In the context of the question "Marvel or DC?" my answer right now is "pretty much neither". On a technicality I guess DC would get it, since I've not bought anything of Marvel's in over a year whereas I still occasionally pick up DC stuff - but that's mainly stuff from Vertigo, rather than DC proper.

I'm not much interested in reading titles on a month-to-month basis these days, so I don't tend to form that long-term interest in a given title or character - I generally stick to either finite titles or specific finite runs of ongoing titles by a given creative team. For example, I tried one issue of Nu52 Stormwatch because it was written by Paul Cornell, and ditched it as a poor effort. I still like the Warren Ellis run on Stormwatch, but I have no interest in seeing other writers resurrect (through whatever means) those characters and play with them.

I can't really comment on current Marvel because last time I picked up any of their titles they seemed to be still pushing the "resolutely tied into wider universe, requiring buy-in to crossovers etc" approach, which I don't like. DC are doing this too, but then the only "proper" DC title I'm anywhere near is Mieville's Dial H, a book that clearly should have been put out under Vertigo (and a book that should've gotten more than 16 issues, for that matter, but never mind....)

Ridley

Fysh wrote: »

In the context of the question "Marvel or DC?" my answer right now is "pretty much neither".

Pfft, that's not on the poll. :P

Fysh

Ridley wrote: »

Pfft, that's not on the poll. :P

Aw, in that case it would appear I'm a prime candidate to feature in the upcoming Comics: UR DOIN IT RONG meme

Thwip!

If we're going for effectiveness of their respective new marketing schemes I would say that NOW! seems to be a more resounding success for me as I find myself enjoying far more of Marvel's titles of late than DC's. I currently buy very few of DC's and a lot more Marvel and there are a good few Marvel titles that aren't currently depending on being connected to other titles, Thor God of Thunder being my notable favourite of these. DC's New 52 has yielded very few strong titles in my opinion and I'm finding myself buying more Dynamite comics (and at times Dark Horse) than I do DC

Fysh

Of the New 52 cape stuff i've tried, I thought Batwoman and Wonder Woman were both great - but I also realised I just wasn't interested in reading a monthly cape series. Demon Knights was also great for a while, though I gather the wheels have fallen off due to editorial interference. Dial H for hero is another excellently odd and standalone series. But that's not saying much really, 4 series since the relaunch...

3DataModem

highvoltage_ie wrote: »

yeah, i like it for a change when marvel start to win. I'm sharing a house with a guy who's DC crazy. Bugs the hell out of me when I walk into his room and his floor is littered with Green Lantern

I bet it bugs him too.



Stan Lee always remind his writers; "every comic is someone's first comic"

Fysh

3DataModem wrote: »

Stan Lee always remind his writers; "every comic is someone's first comic"

Smilin' Stan Lee hasn't been involved in "writing"/taking credit for writing any of Marvel's output for quite some time though. I have a lot of problems with the guy's approach to business and little understanding for why so much of his work is revered (because dear lord has it aged badly), but I will say that his idea of work being accessible to new readers was good, even if his implementation of it was usually quite poor. (Personally, I don't think overly-expository dialogue is a good way of dealing with this stuff; a first-page recap should do the trick, and if it doesn't then the writer isn't as good as they think they are at writing serial fiction...). Hitting that balance of "accessible for new readers" and "engaging for existing readers" is tricky.

The thing is, these days, I don't think that assumption is true. Given that the majority of US superhero comics (which are not the entire medium, remember!) are primarily sold in specialty shops that in many cases struggle to attract casual customers and instead depend on repeat custom from collectors and existing fans; in the case of long-standing series it's easy to get stuck in a rut of seeming repetitive, and the "draw on lots of continuity to make fans feel their investment is worthwhile" approach is no more conducive to good stories than is the "we're getting away from the core character, come up with an in-story reset button that lets us de-age him/restart the series/start over with a new protagonist in the same costume/undo $AWKWARD_STORYLINE_WITH_DIFFICULT_REPERCUSSIONS" editorial strategy.

Senior editorial staff at both Marvel and DC are on record acknowledging that comics aren't the gateway to superheroes that they once were - far more kids these days get into the Avengers or Justice League via cartoons or movies than via comics, and the cost-value proposition of current comics compared to all other media makes them unappealing to kids unless someone else is footing the bill. Which is not the making of a healthy marketplace with a bright future and expanding audience, regardless of how popular the properties appear to be in terms of film exposure, etc. The Avengers film may have grossed over a billion dollars worldwide, but that doesn't translate into Avengers comics selling more. Ditto Batman, Superman, Iron Man and any other hero that's had a film.

Thwip!

Fysh wrote: »

Of the New 52 cape stuff i've tried, I thought Batwoman and Wonder Woman were both great - but I also realised I just wasn't interested in reading a monthly cape series. Demon Knights was also great for a while, though I gather the wheels have fallen off due to editorial interference. Dial H for hero is another excellently odd and standalone series. But that's not saying much really, 4 series since the relaunch...

Isn't Dial H cancelled? or being cancelled?

Thwip!

Thwip! wrote: »

Isn't Dial H cancelled? or being cancelled?

Was cancelled alongside Demon Knights think the August issues will be the end of both.

Thwip!

Christ, at this rate Fysh won't have any DC to read :P

Fysh

Thwip! wrote: »

Isn't Dial H cancelled? or being cancelled?

Deleted User wrote: »

Was cancelled alongside Demon Knights think the August issues will be the end of both.

Thwip! wrote: »

Christ, at this rate Fysh won't have any DC to read :P

Ah lads, it's not even funny . The first few issues of Demon Knights were great, but I think even early on Cornell was being leaned on, so it was already looking shifty by the time he jumped ship. Dial H may be a case of Mieville wanting to end it or editorial deciding it's not worth the cost, but either way it's a shame as it's a damn fine series.

I suspect that DC are still focusing too much on the Direct Market to be able to let anything genuinely different, which is nuts because the potential cash cow of having a set of trades in bookstores with CHINA MIEVILLE on the spine will do very nicely (especially over time) compared to your average Direct Market series.

I'm vaguely considering Collider from Vertigo, but at the minute that's pretty much it from both of them. Which is sad. (Though not as sad as seeing 100 Bullets whored out for what promises to be an utterly uncalled-for $3.99-an-issue sequel, gorgeous Risso artwork notwithstanding...)

Thwip!

Unfortunately there's not much that can actually draw me into buying more DC of late

Image, however, have a great mini series in the form of Five Ghost - The Haunting of Fabian Gray that I am loving. Worth noting I'm all over the pulp hero revival going on at Dynamite and Dark Horse's Abe Sapien and Black Beetle comics are taking my money too

Fysh

Thwip! wrote: »

Unfortunately there's not much that can actually draw me into buying more DC of late

Image, however, have a great mini series in the form of Five Ghost - The Haunting of Fabian Gray that I am loving. Worth noting I'm all over the pulp hero revival going on at Dynamite and Dark Horse's Abe Sapien and Black Beetle comics are taking my money too

Image have some good stuff alright, I've been enjoying The Activity and Chew immensely, and The Strange Talent Of Luther Strode was one of my favourite comics last year. I keep hearing great things about Saga too, and the first issue of Ten Grand was enough to have me happily tradewaiting it. Now, if we could just get Hickman to actually release Feel Better Now I'd be delighted. (Though I suspect it still has a better chance of materialising than the remaining issues of Image United :P)

Thwip!

Fysh wrote: »

Image have some good stuff alright, I've been enjoying The Activity and Chew immensely, and The Strange Talent Of Luther Strode was one of my favourite comics last year. I keep hearing great things about Saga too, and the first issue of Ten Grand was enough to have me happily tradewaiting it. Now, if we could just get Hickman to actually release Feel Better Now I'd be delighted. (Though I suspect it still has a better chance of materialising than the remaining issues of Image United :P)

I'm wanting to try his East of West series. I'm a sucker for his writing, and Waid's

CastorTroy

How long is the New 52 going to have that banner? Until they retcon it? I read more DC than Marvel but think that's because I can't be bothered with all the crossover events Marvel has. i mean didn't Age of Ultron and Age of Apocalypse overlap recently? I remember seeing ads for both in X Factor.
Or maybe I just lost track of Marvel.

Thwip!

Well Age of Ultron turned out to be pants so you've missed nothing there. Basically it explained parts of New Avengers and the all the time travelling that's happened in Marvel NOW and will happen in Marvel NOW

Riddle101

I only ever collected Marvel comics. Spider-Man, X-Men, Avengers, Wolverine & Deadpool etc. So I would naturally go for Marvel Only DC comic character i'm really interested in is Batman, but I don't collect his comics.