Are the Provos Rubbing Our Noses In It?

mike65 · 20-09-2003 11:01am #1

Is it me or are the provos getting ever cockier and more arrogant
regarding thier shameful history?

They hinder when pretending to help find "the dissapeared".

Provo TDs grin inanely out at us posing with the murderers of Garda McCabe in Castlerea jail.

On friday they have a bean-feast celebrating sorry comemorating the break-out of a Northern Ireland prison in 1983 which cost the life of one prison guard and the attempted murder of others but have this jamboree in the Republic.
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1049666&issue_id=9817

They really are taking the piss at this stage...

Mike.

bugler · 20-09-2003 11:20am

They've never really been any different. It's like the IRSP/INLA when they erected that memorial in a graveyard in N.I...I forget which one. The authorities gave them permission, but seemingly didn't check what it look liked. It was a full-size statue of a guy in paramilitary get-up, and all this well within view of where ordinary regular people (including no doubt people whose relatives were killed by paramilitaries, including the INLA)would pass. I'm not sure if it's still up. The bottom line is, they don't feel what has been is wrong, and therefore why should they be ashamed of it or fail to celebrate it?

It's what links militants of all ilks, whether they be quasi-socialist paramilitaries or neo-conservatives in the White House, they're right and everyone else is wrong. They both take or took it upon themselves to decide what is accpetable and what isn't, and played God, deciding who will live and who will die. And their causes are just.

Biffa Bacon · 20-09-2003 12:11pm

The worst thing is, practically no one in the country, apart from Kevin Myers and the Sunday Independent have the balls to call them on it. The growing acceptance of Sinn Féin in this country makes me want to puke. I even read Vincent Browne in the paper today saying that Sinn Féin in government might not be a bad thing seeing how they could bring a socialist influence to bear. Just shows (along with opposition to the War on Terror) how many ignorant terrorist-lovers there are in this country.

Qadhafi · 20-09-2003 2:54pm

there exporting this stuff outa the North and the worst part of it all is that SF are lilkely to increase their seat next Irish election. People should be made aware of what the SF provo's are at on general tv adds...

Provo TDs smiling with the murderers of Garda McCabe in Castlerea jail is really sick! There should be some sort of reprisal for this.

We have our own Mafia and it looks like there always going to be here.

bloggs · 22-09-2003 8:53am

Originally posted by Biffa Bacon
The worst thing is, practically no one in the country, apart from Kevin Myers and the Sunday Independent have the balls to call them on it. The growing acceptance of Sinn Féin in this country makes me want to puke. I even read Vincent Browne in the paper today saying that Sinn Féin in government might not be a bad thing seeing how they could bring a socialist influence to bear. Just shows (along with opposition to the War on Terror) how many ignorant terrorist-lovers there are in this country.

Bloody hell don't give that union jack waving, loyalist loving wa**er kevin myers any credit.

Anyway, i hate SF, and i hate they way they have hi-jacked republicanism for their own twisted gains.

Manach · 22-09-2003 7:53pm

Yet in a way it is rather refreshing in that they have their own viewpoint & history and will not tone down their past actions just to make them more electable. Still wouldn't vote for them though.

Myers is honestly infuriating, but always worth reading.

Jake303 · 23-09-2003 3:08am

It was a daring plan and well worthy of a celebration.

growler · 23-09-2003 8:15am

I guess they might be rubbing some peoples' noses in it but don't forget they have sizeable support throughout the 32 counties and as mentioned above , that support seems to be growing.

Personally, I don't have a problem with them commemorating an escape from prison.

hallelujajordan · 23-09-2003 12:29pm

Originally posted by Jake303
It was a daring plan and well worthy of a celebration.

. . Are you serious !!!

These were convicted murderers . . . they had killed innocent people . . prison guards were shot during this breakout. Are those lives so devoid of value in the context of Irish history ? ?

I agree with what other posters have said here . . . this whole thing makes me sick . . . The release of prisoners following the good friday agreement was a means to an end . . . It's not even that long ago, but already history seems to be legitimising their crimes . . .!

To see elected Irish politicians standing shoulder to shoulder with the convicted murderers of an Irish Garda makes my stomach turn ! Ik don't find it one bit refreshing !

gurramok · 23-09-2003 4:43pm

I couldnt care less who celebrates\remembers what.
It dont directly affect me to the slightest in my list of day to day worries.

Biffa Bacon · 23-09-2003 7:07pm

Originally posted by Jake303
It was a daring plan and well worthy of a celebration.

The only thing worth celebrating would have been if every one of those traitors to the Irish nation had been shot dead while trying to escape.

Biffa Bacon · 23-09-2003 7:10pm

Originally posted by bloggs
Bloody hell don't give that union jack waving, loyalist loving wa**er kevin myers any credit.

Kevin Myers is my hero (along with George Bush of course).

gurramok · 23-09-2003 8:33pm

The only thing worth celebrating would have been if every one of those traitors to the Irish nation had been shot dead while trying to escape

Never knew that the Maze prison was in the republic, has it moved ?

Jake303 · 24-09-2003 1:31am

Originally posted by hallelujajordan
. . Are you serious !!!

Yes

bonkey · 24-09-2003 6:49am

Originally posted by gurramok
Never knew that the Maze prison was in the republic, has it moved ?

Come on...Biffa never suggested it was in the Republic of Ireland.

jc

O2Suck · 24-09-2003 7:50am

Kevin Myers is a wanker.....he should be booted out(and i mean that literally) of this country.....was calling for the Irish language to be abolished a few years back.

wanker:mad:

bloggs · 24-09-2003 9:22am

Originally posted by Biffa Bacon
Kevin Myers is my hero (along with George Bush of course).

Post of the year! Give this guy an award

Ha ha!

growler · 24-09-2003 12:14pm

posted by Biffa Bacon

The only thing worth celebrating would have been if every one of those traitors to the Irish nation had been shot dead while trying to escape.

The Brits had a similar idea shortly afterwards but decided that instead of shooting them while trying to escape from prison they'd try shoot them before they ever got there.

Traitors to the Irish Nation ? i suppose since they didn't recognise the validity of the Republic they could be viewed in this way , but then there would still be commemorations for them as martyrs.

People still commemorate 1916, Beal na Blath etc. so why not the minor coup that the escape meant to republicans who managed to outwit the British, it was a huge event at them time I recall and it was a at a time republican when morale must have been suffering, commemorate away. If you really want to sweep all the country's history of violence and occupation under the carpet there won't be much left.

daveirl · 24-09-2003 1:06pm

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Biffa Bacon · 24-09-2003 7:13pm

Originally posted by growler
If you really want to sweep all the country's history of violence and occupation under the carpet there won't be much left.

I'm not trying to sweep anything under the carpet. I'm pointing out that these "people" were and still are traitors and the enemies of this nation.

growler · 25-09-2003 9:19am

how exactly are they traitors and enemies of the nation ?

if it were not for past "traitors" then we would all be living under a union jack still.

Biffa Bacon · 27-09-2003 3:14pm

how exactly are they traitors and enemies of the nation ?

Because they belong to an illegal paramilitary organisation that has engaged in multiple criminal activities in this State. I don’t see how it can even be questioned that such people and their supporters are guilty of treason against the Republic of Ireland. It is self-evident.

if it were not for past "traitors" then we would all be living under a union jack still.

It’s thanks to those West Brit traitors that we will never have a united Ireland. They have created to much hate for there ever to be a reconciliation.

Cork · 27-09-2003 4:16pm

Originally posted by Biffa Bacon
Because they belong to an illegal paramilitary organisation that has engaged in multiple criminal activities in this State. I don’t see how it can even be questioned that such people and their supporters are guilty of treason against the Republic of Ireland. It is self-evident.

I agree. Are SF still calling for the release of the poeople involved in the shooting of a gaurd in Adare?

I think RTE needs to really start asking the hard questions of SF/IRA.

Floater · 27-09-2003 7:30pm

Originally posted by Biffa Bacon

If it wasn't for America we'd all be German-speaking Communist Muslims.

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Whatever about communism, what's wrong with speaking German or being a Muslim please?

Floater

gurramok · 27-09-2003 11:44pm

Touch of racism in that German/Muslim quote ?

I don’t see how it can even be questioned that such people and their supporters are guilty of treason against the Republic of Ireland

Biggest treason culprits are those TD's and councillors that have/had :

- ansbacher accounts that starved this country of its economic growth and funds for hospitals in the 80s
- had their hand making millions from rezoning in the planning scandals...Haughey/Lawlor etc
- not to mention the recent revelations of the drink -driving causing injury TD.
- Ignoring the drugs plague and rise of violent criminal gangs in dublin in the 80s/90s which were a bigger threat to the daily lives of many people than any republican threat.

daveirl · 28-09-2003 2:34am

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Biffa Bacon · 29-09-2003 7:29pm

Originally posted by Floater
Whatever about communism, what's wrong with speaking German or being a Muslim please?

Nothing intrinsically. The problem is when you are obliged to speak German by the Nazi Übermenschen that have just taken over your country, or when you are forced to convert to Islam by Islamofascist jihadists.

Originally posted by gurramok
Biggest treason culprits are those TD's and councillors that have/had :

- ansbacher accounts that starved this country of its economic growth and funds for hospitals in the 80s
- had their hand making millions from rezoning in the planning scandals...Haughey/Lawlor etc
- not to mention the recent revelations of the drink -driving causing injury TD.
- Ignoring the drugs plague and rise of violent criminal gangs in dublin in the 80s/90s which were a bigger threat to the daily lives of many people than any republican threat.

These things are certainly illegal, corrupt and immoral, but they do not constitute treason.

Membership or support for an illegal paramilitary organisation in defiance of the Constitution of your country certainly does constitute treason, however, which is why all those who belong to or support Sinn Féin must be considered to be traitors.

Éomer of Rohan · 29-09-2003 8:10pm

Quoted from Biffa Bacon
Membership or support for an illegal paramilitary organisation in defiance of the Constitution of your country certainly does constitute treason, however, which is why all those who belong to or support Sinn Féin must be considered to be traitors.

Good grief. What an unquestioning pro-establishment heap of bollocks.

A constitution is written by those in charge. Let's not kid ourselves, those in charge are not the very-few-and-diminishing-fast politicians who control our country - those in charge are the businessmen and high-ranking advisors to the government provided by those businessmen to whom our politicians look for funds. They do not have the interests of 'the people' at heart when those interests deviate from their own - and so we see and continue to see the neo-liberal attack on public services.

I disagree in the extreme with the reactionary nationalist crap of Sinn Fein / IRA just as I disagree with the reverse-nationalist reactionary crap of all the various unionist denominations but when it comes down to Constitutions, when not acting in the interest of a narrow sectarian section of the community, there is no constitution when things get to the point they were at in Northern Ireland in 1969 or in rural Ireland come the early twentieth century.

Treason is the betrayal of the ruling class, nothing more. There is good treason and bad treason but on principle, given circumstances, treason is not wrong.

SkepticOne · 29-09-2003 10:22pm

Originally posted by Éomer of Rohan
A constitution is written by those in charge. Let's not kid ourselves, those in charge are not the very-few-and-diminishing-fast politicians who control our country - those in charge are the businessmen and high-ranking advisors to the government provided by those businessmen to whom our politicians look for funds.

Just in case anyone misreads the above, the Irish constititution was not written by businessmen. It was drafted by a committee under the supervision of Eamonn de Valera who would have had the final say.

sceptre · 29-09-2003 10:30pm

Originally posted by Éomer of Rohan
A constitution is written by those in charge.

Let's not forget that our constitution was adopted by the people in a public referendum. The Supreme Court after 1960 even went and expanded on the personal rights contained in it by outlining the idea of the unenumerated rights.

gurramok · 30-09-2003 4:16pm

Originally posted by Biffa Bacon
Membership or support for an illegal paramilitary organisation in defiance of the Constitution of your country certainly does constitute treason, however, which is why all those who belong to or support Sinn Féin must be considered to be traitors.

Sinn Féin is not illegal under any constitution in this country nor up north ? !

daveirl · 30-09-2003 6:02pm

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bonkey · 01-10-2003 8:09am

Originally posted by daveirl
Well having a private army is unconstitutional and since Sinn Féin have the IRA I regard them as being in violation of the Constitution.

Good for you. Unfortunately, the law doesn't work quite so arbitrarily.

jc

daveirl · 01-10-2003 3:26pm

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Kopf · 01-10-2003 6:58pm

Originally posted by Biffa Bacon
Kevin Myers is my hero (along with George Bush of course).

Isn't that a contradiction in terms or am I missing something?

Are the Provos Rubbing Our Noses In It?

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