Dublin Bin protesters

K2

Why do Dublin people consider it their god given right to have their rubbish collected without any thought as to who pays for it and without any consideration given to how it can be kept to the minimum? The arguement that they pay taxes and therefore do not have to pay for waste disposal is a nonsense. Every other county has in place collection systems that have to be paid for and many have civic amenities in place where recycling can be done on a greater scale (its more than just the bottle banks dotted around the place). I don't pay a bin charge, there is a service in my area (west coast) but I think it is (a) too expensive and (b) does nothing to encourage me to reduce and recycle the waste my household produces. I travel once a month to the local tip where I dump 3 bags of waste and recycle the rest, an rough estimate would put it at 40% landfill 60% recycled. I also use a composter. And far from being a freak of nature I am only one of many hundreds who do so in Co. Mayo. When will the majority learn that putting rubbish into the ground cannot be done indefinately, I am opposed to incinaration as again it does not encourage recycling, it is simply a quick fix creating another form of pollution. If your household produces waste you should take responsibility for disposing of it, if you are not bothered then you should be prepared to pay far more than the current going rates which vary from €250 to €450.

Typedef

Just since you bring up thermal treatment.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if eventually, anything which doesn't get recycled, ends up getting (thermally treated).

Also I agree that anybody who gets to avail of usage of Green bins should pay extra, though, I suspect when the scheme eventually gets extended to Mayo, that you'll find there will be similar opposition there, so it's not just a Dublin thing.

K2

It shouldn't be a problem for people here if they are allowed to continue using the exising recycling facilities. I should point out I do pay €2 per bag of waste I dump but the recycled material is foc. The only cost to me is driving to the landfill with it in the trailer and my time, but there is an immense feel good factor when you do it, just looking at a skip full of milk containers that is not just going to be buried does that to ya.

As for the thermal treatment, you are probably right when you consider that we are rapidly running out of landfill sites. I would be happier if I knew more about them but is there not a real problem with the solid matter they release into the air? And could this not be sorted with a good filter system....sorry I'm rambling off topic.

Typedef

Depends.

Thermal treatment was once thought to be 'safe' in terms of what got released into the atmosphere, so, so called safe thermal treatment is suspicous in my book.

Thermal treament reduces by about 70% what you have to put into landfill, but, is still toxic waste, not a great solution to the litter problem, really.

I'd be interested to see the reaction of people in Mayo to yet another tax... I doubt it would be a favourable reaction to be honest.

Billy Turdhed

In case you dont know it ,the bin protest is being orchestrated by a hard core of Socialist party activists who believe in paying for nothing.

Their policy is to sit back and sponge off the state for everything and contribute nothing.

When the Chairperson was asked to take some responsibility for the actions of the group she calmly with a brass neck said it was a residents protest.

I dont like paying myself but i can see its for the next generation to avoid the situation we have set up.

Of course, the protesters dont give Jack S**T about that ...sponge today and dont worry about the future ...we wont have to clean it up!

K2

I'm a Dub in self imposed exile but from what I've heard from work collegues and friends in Mayo quite a few simply burn their rubbish at home (most do not live in housing estates) so I can only conclude that if a further tax was put on country people for the disposal of waste they will probably turn to burning it themselves. I think the incidence of this may be increasing already as most people here are not happy paying €350 pa to have their waste taken away from their doorstep.

ednwireland

i think everyone should have to pay for rubbish disposal what i object to is excess packaging and lack of recycling facilities i am currently down to one bin liner a month but cn't recycle my bottles and cans cos none has emptied the banks, i don't have a plastic or paper recycling point as donegal hasnt introduced them yet -compost all vegetable matter, this summer grown most of my own food so thats reduced the packaging amount as well a bit 4 bin liners cost me €15
can't really see what they are protesting about they son't pay rates after all ( my mains water connection cost around 700 punt a few years ago when we got mains water.

Typedef

Originally posted by Billy Turdhed
In case you dont know it ,the bin protest is being orchestrated by a hard core of Socialist party activists who believe in paying for nothing.

Actually I must have missed that one.
I don't personally have a whole lot of experience with mind reading or inferring people's macro socio-economic philosophy from a desire not to pay bin charges, but, perhaps you do.

Their policy is to sit back and sponge off the state for everything and contribute nothing.

Socialism is hardly that.

When the Chairperson was asked to take some responsibility for the actions of the group she calmly with a brass neck said it was a residents protest.

I dont like paying myself but i can see its for the next generation to avoid the situation we have set up.

Of course, the protesters dont give Jack S**T about that ...sponge today and dont worry about the future ...we wont have to clean it up!

Yes I'll admit some fringe groups seem to have jumped on the band wagon of bin protesting, mostly I'd say to capitalise on people's desire not to pay bin charges.

Does that make each and every bin protester a member of the "Moster raving looney party".

Nope.

smiaras

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Billy Turdhed

I never said allall the protesters were members of the SP ..Merely that the protest is being orchestrated by them in an effort to make people like me pay while they skive of free.

Mr Higgins and Ms Daly who are anti every tax are ensconced in Mountjoy despite the best efforts of Red Joe Duffy to use my licence fee money to further their cause...

They disobeyed a High Court Order and are where they should be ..in the slammer.

As a tax payer and a responsible citizen I am not going to be made a fool of by two punters with an agenda of their own.
No way Jose

WPT:ninja:

tbh

I think that my biggest problem with this campaign is that it is misleading the very people it claims to represent and fight for.

To be realistic, the bin charge is a charge that has to be paid. I don't think anyone would dispute that. This Government has an agenda to lower personal (direct) income tax. This means that there is less money for Local Authorities. The local auths have now the obligation to raise the money to provide this service.

I as a taxpayer would much rather pay for what I throw away, by paying Fingal Co. Co. directly. If that doesn't happen, then FCC are going to ask the Government for more money, and the Government will raise my tax bill to cover it. This means that I pay more money, whether I throw away everything or recycle like mad. I like the choice, and whats more, I believe that the majority of the people, especially in Fingal, want it that way.
But because Joe and Claire want seats in the Dail and on the Council, I'm losing access to this service, and the right to pay directly may been removed from me.

My point is this - as you may have gathered from my ramblings, I'm no political genius. However, I and many like me recognise the reality - pay for what you throw away, or be forced to pay through tax. If I know that, then either Joe and Claire don't realise that, in which case they are unfit for public office, or they do realise it, but don't care, in which case...see above.

If the Government *do* raise income tax to pay for this service, who will it hit most? Joe and Claire, or the poor punter in the street who thought they would get away without paying if they fought?

It sucks. I would appreciate it more if they were campaigning to widen the exemptions to the charge, so that those less well off didn't have to pay, or paid less, rather than fighting something that reasonable people the world over accept as a responsibility.

Caimin