Huge delays when surfing

narnar2000

Hi all,

Lately I've been experiencing these huge delays when surfing - I click on a link but sometimes it can take up to 90 seconds or 2 minutes before the page begins to load. It's like I can surf only during specific periods in a cycle.

Another thing: if I try to open another browser or some other program while waiting for a page to load, it won't open until the page starts to load. I've checked for any processes hogging system resources, but everything looks fine...

This started to happen only recently; up until a couple of weeks ago it was flying along and I don't remember installing anything unusual.

By the way, I'm using Eircom's USB self-install.

Anyone experienced anything similar?

Thanks.

oneweb

Sounds more like a browser issue.
What browser are you using IE by any chance? Try scanning for a virus or try Mozilla, see if there's any improvement Mozilla

Hal1

hi, you could possibly need a spyware removel program such as Adaware, it removes tracking cookies that monitor your movements on the web...Adaware click on that

Repli

It sounds like the modem.. like if it supports 2.0 and your motherboard only supports 1.1 or some other bottleneck like that what modem is it out of curiousity?

I have been getting these also sometimes when I am surfing, but when downloading or playing games it never happens.

I put it down to the fact that the modem is new and my comp is almost 5 years old

Rancid

If you want a new and excellent browser, go get OPERA!

Tabbed browsing and pop-up prevention..... and it looks good in red! Try it!:)

SouperComputer

Originally posted by Repli
It sounds like the modem.. like if it supports 2.0 and your motherboard only supports 1.1 or some other bottleneck like that what modem is it out of curiousity?

doubt it

USB 2: 44Mb\s (approx)
USB 1.1: 12Mb\s

Dsl: 0.5 to 0.8 Mb\s

id suspect browser\ OS settings 1st.

try downloading a file and seeing what throughput you get.

Cal

USB 2.0 = 480 Mb\s

Töpher

i've been having this problem too, i think many people (on IOL anyways) are experiencing this. i've tried 4 different browsers, and restting of TCP/IP settings (which APPEARED to have worked for about half a day then went crap again!). i'm look at it as a teething problem, cuz i dont wanna face ebing stuck with that crap for ages, if it happens try bashing refresh, it can give it a kick, or running a ping test (i have a neverending ping test on repeat while i surf)

nellieswellies

Most likely a virus click here and run the tool. Then try again, if its stilll a problem at least you have ruled out the current spate of worms etc doing the rounds.

shinzon

Tis the same for 56 k users, im not talking the normal delays here for 56k, last night was the worst, huge delays in loading pages, even boards was bad

Seems to have rectified itself this morning though, tis back to normal

Shin

ando

Originally posted by Rancid
If you want a new and excellent browser, go get OPERA!

I tried that browser before, it has huge adds up on the top right of the browser ???

no thanks, I'll stick with IE

BTW, I was having this problem last night with Netsource, big delays in loading pages, but gaming was ok... Sometimes pages would not load at all

Frank Grimes

Originally posted by nellieswellies
Most likely a virus click here and run the tool. Then try again, if its stilll a problem at least you have ruled out the current spate of worms etc doing the rounds.

It would be a better idea to run a full virus scan rather than running random virus removal tools. I doubt it's being caused by a virus, I'd check the machine for spyware first.

Frank Grimes

Originally posted by ando
I tried that browser before, it has huge adds up on the top right of the browser ???

If you buy it they go away.

narnar2000

Thanks for the replies.

I keep my AV up-to-date and do a weekly scan so I think I'm OK on that front, plus I've installed any patches released by MS. I'm using W2000 SP3 - I know SP4 is out - so I'm fairly up-to-date there too. I ran Ad Aware - it found a couple of registry entries and cookies but no suspect programs or processes.

I'll give Mozilla a shot. What's the difference between vanilla Mozilla (it rhymes) and Firebird?

Re Opera: I don't think I could stand ads flashing on the browser; they're bad enough on pages.

Strangely enough, I haven't noticed the delay problem today (yet)...

oneweb

Originally posted by Frank_Grimes
If you buy it they go away.

Why pay when you can get an equally good, free alternative!

Originally posted by narnar2000
I'll give Mozilla a shot. What's the difference between vanilla Mozilla (it rhymes) and Firebird?

Mozilla includes a browser, mail&newsgroup reader, address book and irc client. Firebird is just the browser app.

Frank Grimes

Originally posted by oneweb
Why pay when you can get an equally good, free alternative!

I know, I use Mozilla myself. I was just telling ando why the ads are there

Rancid

Originally posted by ando
I tried that browser before, it has huge adds up on the top right of the browser ???

no thanks, I'll stick with IE

Uh...hardly *huge*!!
I just have a blank box up there... for some reason my ads don't work anymore???

It's a good browser, better than IE and even better than Netscape which I've used for the last 3 years.
Could never get Mozilla to even run for me....



OPERA!

MrPinK

Originally posted by oneweb
Mozilla includes a browser, mail&newsgroup reader, address book and irc client. Firebird is just the browser app.

Firebird isn't just a streamlined version of Mozilla, it has an awful lot of great new features, making it the greatest browser of all time despite still being a beta.

Hal1

Hi, I remember back in the day when I was using win98se :0, and I had a lil proggy called win98 lite which gave you the option to remove resource hogging ms programs such as IE4 & outlook 97 :0. My question is are there any such utilities that will allow the removel of these items from winxp?

ando

Originally posted by Rancid
It's a good browser, better than IE and even better than Netscape

lets get into the nitty gritty, how is it better?

I like IE because its simple, you can minimize all the toolbars and get rid of everything if you want by hitting F11. It doesn't take much resources from system unlike Netscape which takes 5 mins just to start itself up ?? I've never got into using Opera, I just saw the add's and basically said 'F*ck this', Uninstall

narnar2000

So I tried Mozilla - same story - it seems to be worse at night... Anything to do with the contention ratio?

48:1 - what does that mean? 48 users share what?

MrPinK

Originally posted by narnar2000
48:1 - what does that mean? 48 users share what?

For each 512k of bandwidth that the exchange has there are up to 48 ppl sharing it

Serbian

I can say with certainty that it is not the contention ratio that is causing the huge delay. If gaming works fine and only browsing is affected then it doesn't even sound like a connection issue. However, the fact that more than one person is experiencing this is interesting. Could it be something to do with port 80 being throttled or something??

Try clicking start -> Run -> Type cmd -> Type: ping www.boards.ie and then pasting the results here. Maybe try: tracert www.boards.ie too while you are experiencing the problems. This should give us an idea as to whether the cause is the connection or not.

Serb

narnar2000

Three pings in a row:

C:\>ping www.boards.ie

Pinging www.boards.ie [217.114.166.147] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=54
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=54
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=54
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=54

Ping statistics for 217.114.166.147:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 30ms, Maximum = 70ms, Average = 40ms

C:\>ping www.boards.ie

Pinging www.boards.ie [217.114.166.147] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=54
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=54
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=54
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=54

Ping statistics for 217.114.166.147:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 30ms, Maximum = 40ms, Average = 37ms

C:\>ping www.boards.ie

Pinging www.boards.ie [217.114.166.147] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=54
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=54
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=54
Reply from 217.114.166.147: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=54

Ping statistics for 217.114.166.147:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 30ms, Maximum = 40ms, Average = 35ms


and tracert:

Tracing route to www.boards.ie [217.114.166.147]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 20 ms 30 ms 20 ms r96-1.bas1.srl.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.96.1]

2 20 ms 20 ms 30 ms fe0-0.edge1.srl.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.155.6
5]
3 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms atm4-0-60.peering1.inex.dublin.eircom.net [159.1
34.191.230]
4 30 ms 30 ms 20 ms 193.1.208.204
5 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms 217.173.97.118
6 30 ms 30 ms 60 ms 217.173.97.170
7 251 ms 140 ms 30 ms 217.114.160.11
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * ^C

-> aborted


and again:

C:\>tracert www.boards.ie

Tracing route to www.boards.ie [217.114.166.147]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms r96-1.bas1.srl.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.96.1]

2 60 ms 310 ms 331 ms fe0-0.edge1.srl.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.155.6
5]
3 20 ms 30 ms 20 ms atm4-0-60.peering1.inex.dublin.eircom.net [159.1
34.191.230]
4 60 ms 231 ms 220 ms 193.1.208.204
5 30 ms 20 ms 20 ms 217.173.97.118
6 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms 217.173.97.170
7 30 ms 40 ms 40 ms 217.114.160.11
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * ^C

-> aborted

Trying IBM (I let this one finish):

C:\>tracert www.ibm.com

Tracing route to www.ibm.com [129.42.19.99]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 30 ms 20 ms 30 ms r96-1.bas1.srl.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.96.1]

2 20 ms 20 ms 30 ms fe0-0.edge1.srl.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.155.6
5]
3 30 ms 40 ms 30 ms pos0-0-0.core1.thn.london.eircom.net [159.134.19
1.98]
4 30 ms 40 ms 30 ms sl-gw22-lon-2-6.sprintlink.net [213.206.130.37]

5 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms sl-bb21-lon-9-0.sprintlink.net [213.206.128.98]

6 30 ms 30 ms 41 ms 213.206.131.22
7 41 ms 30 ms 30 ms ae0-52.mp2.London1.Level3.net [212.187.131.34]
8 111 ms 110 ms 110 ms so-1-0-0.bbr2.NewYork1.level3.net [212.187.128.1
53]
9 181 ms 160 ms 170 ms so-3-0-0.mp1.Denver1.Level3.net [64.159.1.113]
10 160 ms 160 ms 160 ms gigabitethernet10-0.hsipaccess1.Denver1.Level3.n
et [64.159.3.118]
11 170 ms 160 ms 170 ms unknown.Level3.net [209.245.20.10]
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.

Trace complete.


and Yahoo! for good measure:

C:\>tracert www.yahoo.com

Tracing route to www.yahoo.akadns.net [216.109.118.77]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms r96-1.bas1.srl.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.96.1]

2 30 ms 20 ms 20 ms fe0-1.edge1.srl.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.155.7
3]
3 170 ms 90 ms 90 ms pos5-0-0.core1.8av.newyork.eircom.net [159.134.1
91.106]
4 100 ms 90 ms 90 ms acr2-so-3-3-1.NewYork.cw.net [206.24.193.157]
5 90 ms 90 ms 90 ms agr3-loopback.NewYork.cw.net [206.24.194.103]
6 90 ms 90 ms 140 ms dcr1-so-6-2-0.NewYork.cw.net [206.24.207.57]
7 101 ms 90 ms 100 ms dcr1-loopback.Washington.cw.net [206.24.226.99]

8 101 ms 100 ms 100 ms bhr1-pos-10-0.Sterling2dc3.cw.net [206.24.238.38
]
9 91 ms 100 ms 120 ms csr12-ve241.Sterling2dc3.cw.net [216.109.66.91]

10 91 ms 90 ms 100 ms 216.109.84.166
11 100 ms 120 ms 90 ms vl32.bas1-m.dcn.yahoo.com [216.109.120.150]
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.

Trace complete.



What gives????

jd

wonder could it be a mtu setting problem..
(if you are on a lan behind the pppoe router..?)
from http://www.jeacle.ie/adsl/
The Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU) is the largest size packet that a network link can carry. Ethernet's MTU is 1500 bytes. When an IP packet is carried on ethernet, the full 1500 bytes is available to carry IP information. However, when running IP over PPP over Ethernet, an extra layer is introduced. PPPoE requires an 8 byte header. This means that a host running IP over PPPoE must set its MTU to 1492.

Google mtu settings for your OS
[edit]
oh-just noted traceroutes..not the prob above[/edit]

Töpher

i could ping fine till IOL disabled it or whatever they did (around time of blaster worm,) so hardly surprising all my results read as "request timed out"

Dotsie~tmp

Ive been experiencing pretty much the exact same problem on UTV ADSL. FTP, games, peer 2 peer all run fine at high speed without interuptions. My browser however is subject to pretty much contant delays every minute or two ranging from 5 to 60 seconds when loading pages. Its not caused by spyware or viruses. I believe its the fault of the Transparent cache used by UTV (and i think Eircom and IOL too).

For those who dont know what a Transcache is it basically an invisible proxy forced by ur isp that all your web pages go though to save on bandwidth at their end, it intercepts port 80 traffic. UTVs has been having deadspots since i sighned on and it doesnt look like being fixed soon.

Memnoch

i've had the same problem and *** this transcache sounds like a very likely culprit. I'll get netsource a buzz tomorrow and ask them about it. I'm having the same problem as everyone else, and i've had it for a while now.

narnar2000

Dotsie~tmp & Memnoch:

Do you both experience a 'lock-up' (unable to open any other programs) while you're waiting for a page to load? And all the pages load at once and any programs that were in the 'queue' to open all open at once?

I don't think it's my hardware - I've buckets of memory and a fast CPU...

I wonder how a remote cache could cause such drastic effects on my machine... if that's what the problem is...

Memnoch

i'm not sure about a lock-up, but i definately get all the pages loading at once. I can open a new window in internet explorer but it won't do anything. This problem is really annoying, and at first i thought it was just something wrong on my pc, a worm or virus or something that i couldn't find, but now that a lot of ppl are having it maybe its something more widespread. If someone DOES find a solution to this PLS let us all know

Frank Grimes

Originally posted by Dotsie~tmp
I believe its the fault of the Transparent cache used by UTV (and i think Eircom and IOL too)

IOL use a transparent proxy too, Eircom don't.

Dotsie~tmp

I experience what you might call "lock up" in the IE windows where they all stop loading but i can still close resize em etc and all other progs are fine and stay connected. Thsi PC is low spec also.

Sounds like ur prob maybe spyware related. I had a homepage hijack recently on mine which caused major OS problems (lock ups every few mins, slow performance). It was caused because i hadnt bothered to go to Windows Update and get the latest patches for IE6. Spyware detectors didnt fully remove and other guides for removal didnt remove system slowdown so i just had to backup and reformat. Didnt take that long. If any of this sound familiar you may have it. I recommend a reformat anyway if you cant locate the problem.

gurramok

I'm having similar problems.
I can't even access boards.ie or even ping it on Netsource dsl !
Every other web page i have tried is working 100% and dont crash or timeout.
I tried a work proxy and boards flies, even now i'm using guardster.com anonymizer just to get a proxy to load boards !

Anyone know any better proxies out there ?

Very frustrating..

Jonnie_Onion

proxy.netsource.ie cured my problems.

narnar2000

Still have the problem - had to wait for about 4/5 minutes at one stage last night...

It definitely gets worse at night (after around 6-ish). Before that it's not bad at all - if not the contention ratio, what else could cause it?

gurramok

Mine is ok now, web pages including boards fly with or without proxys.
I have not configured anything on my side, pc was left on 24/7 connected to NS.
Strange eh ?

Ancient1

had a similar browsing problem before i installed spybot and uncovered tons of nasty stuff - although you should get both spybot and adaware. Im flying now, but i run into the same deadlock with flash programs..

narnar2000

Still no improvement - I've tried Mozilla, AdAware, SpyBot S&D and all have yielded nothing - next stop Eircom tech support. That'll be a laugh.

narnar2000

I think I found the reason...
I have a few distributed computing processes always running, so to eliminate suspects I killed them off - lo and behold, we're flying along again - now to find which one(s) cause(s) the monstrous delays...

But I don't know why this only started to happen recently, and why the problem was always much worse at night???

Strange indeed...

Calman

After reading posts in this thread I decided to download and install Mozilla Firebird and Opera. Neither of them can open certain web pages like this one for example: http://elf.servebeer.com/lotus/maps/badlandsmap.html . Also the color of some pages is worse with Opera and Mozilla compared to IE. I'm not a fan of IE but at least it works.

Rancid

Originally posted by Calman
After reading posts in this thread I decided to download and install Mozilla Firebird and Opera. Neither of them can open certain web pages like this one for example: http://elf.servebeer.com/lotus/maps/badlandsmap.html . Also the color of some pages is worse with Opera and Mozilla compared to IE. I'm not a fan of IE but at least it works.

Yes! Yes it does!
Ok.... there are some sites that are built to only open fully in IE?
So what? Is it that much of an effort to use IE *ONLY* when necessary?

I'm using Opera now. I've used Netscape for the last 3 years or more.
When I have to.... *if* I have to.... I revert back to IE for a couple mins.
Opera is the best browser I've ever used.

I guess I'm saying that I think it's not that Opera *can't* open some web pages.... it's that they've been written to *only* open properly in IE...?



Correct me if I'm wrong....

Rancid

Originally posted by Ancient1
had a similar browsing problem before i installed spybot and uncovered tons of nasty stuff - although you should get both spybot and adaware. Im flying now, but i run into the same deadlock with flash programs..

It seems to be a common problem that, while removing the offending data miners, etc., after you reboot, Adaware prevents you getting back online.

The version I used was aaw6181.exe. According to everything I read, only versions before 6 were known to cause this problem.
It caused no problems on my other pc also running Win98se.

After wasting a couple hours messing with TCP/IP settings, I ran this fix Winsockfix which solved the problem instantly.

I used Adaware because Spybot kept sticking on C2.lop.com or something!:rolleyes:

Ancient1

...and sometimes, like now, it's just inexplicable - its takin me aaaages to open the thread page...