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Ireland 4-3-3 ?????

  • 10-09-2003 12:43pm
    #1
    wynters
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭


    Considering the problems we're having with our midfield at the moment, and the fact that we'll NEED a result in our next game, why not play a 4-3-3 against the Swiss......
    Given
    -Carr---Breen---O'Shea---Harte-
    ---Finnan---Holland---Kilbane---
    Duff
    Connolly---Keane

    Neither Kinsella, Healy, Reid or Carsley have looked up to the job over the last 2 games so why play any of them!? If we can sacrifice the problem 2nd central midfield position for a player who's on form, why not. The best form of defence is attack.

    It's either that or a 4-4-2 with Duff on the right and Finnan at left back instead of Harte. He played there for Fulham at the beginning of last season. he can do it.....
    Given
    -Carr---Breen---O'Shea---Finnan
    -Duff---Holland---?????---Kilbane
    Connolly---Keane


Comments

  • #2
    DaithiSurfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 843 ✭✭✭DaithiSurfer


    My thoughts exactly. :)
    I think harte might be the week link there though.


  • #3
    eirebhoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    I have to agree Harte shouldn't be in the team. I agree that Reid hasn't been performing as well as he could but with Finnan at left back and Reid on the Right wing. Reid is not playing as bad as Harte and there's a month until the game so Reid will be getting his game for Blackburn while it is unlikey that Harte will play for leeds.

    Playing Duff in that position, in my opinion, is his best. It sayed on the FAI website that Kerr said that Duff will be given a free role against Turkey and if you saw the match you would have seen that he never stopped running, it looked like he had been given a free role but to keep keep an eye on the right wing. So, Duff behind the front two is even a more free role as he won't be leaving any position absolutely empty.

    So, all in all, Good team except Ian Tart.


  • #4
    jongore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭jongore


    Let me get this straight, we're sh!te in midfield and you want to solve this by playing less players there?

    The 'free' role is BS, Ireland perform better in a 4-4-2 as against Turkey (Duff was on the right) when each player knows his job.

    We most hope that the Swiss beat the Ruskies tonight, that would win the group for the Swiss and they might take their foot off the gas against Ireland. This is our best hope of getting a result.

    (BTW I wouldn't believe the FAI if they told me that water was wet)


  • #5
    GuanYin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Emm, yeah I agree with jongore.

    Considering the ease at which the Turks (and the Russians) waltzed through the midfield at times I find it hard to believe that lessening the players there is a solution against the Swiss.

    If you have 2 cental midfielders who close down the opposition, win the ball and pass it well (consistantly) then builing attacks isn't a problem.

    What we have is Healy who pulls off the odd brilliant pass but didn't seem interested in closing down or tackling at all last night (or much against the Russians), Holland and Kinsella who are all graft and no guile. The only natural midfield ball winner in the squad (carsley) is played as a winger (and listen, none of this "He plays there for Everton" rubbish, he played central midfield for 6 years before that, including at Everton) the best passer we have (McPhail) was given 5 minutes last night and the only player we have that can do both and will play for Ireland (Delap) is never picked for the squad, even when he's fit.

    As it stands, Holland & Kinsella (should he play a few Villa games) are our best bet, unless Kerr gives Healy a kick up the arse.

    I think we really have to hope we go to switzerland only needing a point,

    Oh and
    [Forest Fan] McPhail really should have been given longer last night[/Forest Fan]


  • #6
    Heresy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 97 ✭✭Heresy


    I think 4-3-3 is a decent idea.
    However, wynters, I wouldn't go along with your team choice. Why not drop Harte and move Kilbane into the left back position. Then put Duff at left wing and shove Doherty up front with Connolly and Keane. The only person to fill the vacany in midfield would be Roy Keane. Withot him, I think Colin Healy will grow into a great leader.
    Finnan's a good player too. Himself and Kilbane competing for the same position on the park might improve our defensive standards.


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  • #7
    GuanYin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Originally posted by Heresy
    I think 4-3-3 is a decent idea.
    However, wynters, I wouldn't go along with your team choice. Why not drop Harte and move Kilbane into the left back position. Then put Duff at left wing and shove Doherty up front with Connolly and Keane. The only person to fill the vacany in midfield would be Roy Keane. Withot him, I think Colin Healy will grow into a great leader.
    Finnan's a good player too. Himself and Kilbane competing for the same position on the park might improve our defensive standards.

    Erm... If you play with 3 central strikers (Connolly, Doherty & Keane) then you don't have a "left wing" per se in your three man midfield.....


  • #8
    eirebhoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    Originally posted by Heresy
    ..and shove Doherty up front...
    :D lol, has he ever played well???


  • #9
    StickyMcGinty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭StickyMcGinty


    nah!! duffer has been not as effective when playing in the hole!!

    start 4-4-2 and if we're not getting enough chaces stick it to 4-3-3

    what do you think our chances are of getting a win over there are??


  • #10
    Heresy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 97 ✭✭Heresy


    Somewhere between slim and none. I hope we don't get to the finals, because it'd be an embarrasment. We'd be thrashed.
    We've seen over the past couple of years that the only thing going for this team is spirit and we need a hell of alot more than spirit to win away to the cheese men.


  • #11
    DaithiSurfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 843 ✭✭✭DaithiSurfer


    No way will we be thrashed.
    The swiss are rubbish.
    Ireland are much better than people seem to give them credit for.
    All this self paddy bashing is getting a bit old at this stage.

    Doom and gloom seems to be what irish fans are all about these days.


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  • #12
    AngelofFire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭AngelofFire


    I think it would be a good idea we always seem to perform our best when we are on the attack. WC2002 was a good xample. The only problem is finding the right players to play in the right positions. There would be a few possible permutations
    Given
    O`brien
    Breen
    ---Carr
    O`shea---
    Holland
    Healy
    Duff
    Connolly
    Morrisson
    Keane---

    or
    Given
    Dunne
    Breen
    -Carr
    O`shea---
    Finnan---Holland
    Kilbane
    Duff-
    Doherty
    Keane

    or
    Given
    Breen
    O`shea
    -Carr
    Finnan---
    Carsley
    Holland
    Duff

    Keane
    Morrison
    Doherty

    Personally id got with the first formation i mentioned


  • #13
    eirebhoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    I think its safe to say that Doherty won't be playing and Kilbane will so none of those teams will be playing.


  • #14
    PHB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    I was wondering, since Duff and Keane are our true talent, couldn't we play a sort of 4 - 4 - 1 - 1 formation, with duff an attacking mid and keane in the centre.


  • #15
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    The Manager will not risk an unproven formation in what will be a very important match, so 4 4 2 it is. I cant see how putting less players in midfield and removering our wing players will improve or chances. On our day we can beat anyone lets hope its our day when we meet the swiss.


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