No limits to chelsea buying... - Peter Kenyon!

tomED · 08-09-2003 4:08pm #1

Man U lose peter to Chelsea....

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2003/09/08/story112648.html

p.pete · 08-09-2003 4:14pm

That should hurt United. Is there any more high profile figures to leave the club before the end of the year?

I'm waiting for a "we didn't need him anyway" reaction, but hopefully I'm wrong.

tomED · 08-09-2003 4:17pm

He seems to have changed things since coming on board for united so I think he will be missed.

Obviuosly in off the pitch matters - but eventually it will work its way down to the team if we dont get a good replacement.

Tom

SteM · 08-09-2003 4:19pm

I think a lot of United fans lost respect for him after the Beckham deal fiasco. He'll be a loss though simply because of his knowledge of the way United are run but wasn't he supposed to be a lifelong United fan?

Bates is gone now I'm guessing? I don't ever remember a chairman leaving one big club to go to another before!

UbahOne · 08-09-2003 5:01pm

that is so odd. man thats strange news. I'd love to know why...but i can guess...MONEY!

Helix · 08-09-2003 5:05pm

Originally posted by SteM

Bates is gone now I'm guessing? I don't ever remember a chairman leaving one big club to go to another before!

kenyon wasnt uniteds chairman, he was chief executive, as he'll be at chelski

smemon · 08-09-2003 5:14pm

after the whole beckham thing i wasnt a fan of kenyon, after the whole ronaldinho thing kenyon.

he seems to have an unprofesional approach and a touch of arrogance. although he did seem to make utd a better club since he came.

chief executive is hardly an important position now is it?, were not talking about fergie going. i doubt if he'll be missed too much.

The Muppet · 08-09-2003 6:03pm

Where are they going to play him or will the loan him back to united?:)

I hope its not a swap deal with bates comming the opposite way.:eek:

crowl · 08-09-2003 8:55pm

I doubt this will really make a big difference to United as they have already replaced him with some other guy(http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=42813)

I agree with smemon though in that he seemed to conduct his dealings in a unprofessional way( ie Ronaldinho etc.) so maybe it is a good thing.

jongore · 09-09-2003 9:29am

Originally posted by smemon

chief executive is hardly an important position now is it?, were not talking about fergie going. i doubt if he'll be missed too much.

Er, yes it is, it's very important. The CEO holds the purse strings for the club and Kenyon has been very good at his job, he's widely respected and his replacement has a lot to live up to.

Beckham was sold as he wasn't in Fergies plans and Utd got fed up with all the BS around Ronnie, neither Kenyons fault.

I as a United fan have appriciated that Fergie was well backed in the transfer market and Kenyon was a important part of this.

I wish him luck (But not too much:) )

The Muppet · 09-09-2003 10:45am

CEo is a very impoortant position and now the team that are gearing to be Utds main competitors have a man at the helm who knows exactly whats happening at UTD, Fianances,who their transfer targets for the future are etc.. His move could have major implications.

smemon · 09-09-2003 11:25am

psg said kenyon himself was unprofessional and arrogant in the ronaldinho deal. so he played a major part in trying to get roni.

its my view that chairmen and ceo's etc shouldnt be heard of if there doing they're job correctly. they should be the behind the scenes crew, not in the limelight and lapping up media attention.

he wont be missed, utd are the richest club in the world and any idiot could make big transfer funds available.

p.pete · 09-09-2003 11:43am

Originally posted by smemon
he wont be missed, utd are the richest club in the world and any idiot could make big transfer funds available.

I expected no less from you - Just consider that ManU have gotten into that position over the last ten years not purely because of what fergie has been able to achieve on the pitch.

Also - was Kenyon the successor to Martin Edwards? who was better at the job?

talla · 09-09-2003 12:40pm

it will be a loss to specifically for the reasons Muppet outlined, and he hasnt held back the purse strings like Edwards used to. The one thing tht has worried me though is his transfer dealings, since he became chief executive, i think he has been very bad in his transfer negotiations, agreeing to inflated prices etc for Veron,Ferdinand( worst of alll ), and the latest being Ronaldo. For all the bad points Edward had, at least people knew they were dealing with a cheapskint and didnt try and pull the wool over his eyes.:D

Guy:Incognito · 09-09-2003 12:51pm

Originally posted by smemon
psg said kenyon himself was unprofessional and arrogant in the ronaldinho deal. so he played a major part in trying to get roni.

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not to be narrow minded r aything but who r the french 2 be calling anyone arrogant:D

end of the day im a liverpool fan but can see that the man did his job well, it never takes long for fans of a club who have had something go wrong to revert straight to "we didnt need them anyway " mode, as mentioned above

UbahOne · 09-09-2003 1:14pm

He will be a missed at Utd. He was very important getting Utd where they are and its a loss. Lets hope this new guy does his job as well as kenyon did.

JohnnyBravo · 09-09-2003 3:25pm

Peter Kenyon has been persuaded to ditch ManUre in favour of joining a big club in a big city!

How significant is this?

Well, within two hours of the Stock Market opening MU shares had dropped by 16 pence. The City obviously thinks that Kenyon is a big loss to the North West which, conversely, must mean he is viewed as a great catch for us.

Sir Alex of the Rednose is said to be "extremely disappointed". No expletives deleted there then!!! We must really be getting up that purple extremity of his!

Kenyon was the man who sealed the Vodafone deal for the Mancs, the biggest sponsorship deal in British football. He also tied up the £300m deal with Nike and the partnership with the New York Yankees. Under his stewardship, the Old Trafford club became the first (and only) British club to top the £100m per year turn over.

All of this makes impressive reading. But what really makes this our biggest signing yet is that Kenyon is said to be a Red, "through and through". Why is that good for us? Well, I guess he sees a club who have reached their maximum potential and have no where further to go in MU whereas at Stamford Bridge he sees potential, growth and success in the years ahead. He is unlikely to stop supporting ManUre (I can respect that) but in career terms he knows the future is blue. That, more than any other signing cearly signals where we are headed.

The only question left is, did Arsene Wenger see this happening or was he looking the other way?????

From rivals.net

Says what he did for ye folks right there

LoneGunM@n · 09-09-2003 8:46pm

IMO, he'll be a big loss!!

1 thing that bothers me about the whole deal is Duff .... probably nothing, but does any1 else think that this has been in the worx for a while, hence United not entering the market for Duff!!

AngelofFire · 09-09-2003 8:56pm

Chelsea have made big name purchases on the pitch now its time to do the same off the pitch. By the looks of things they r trying to imitate man utd. Firstly by building a team that is as good as theirs and secondly by recruiting a chief executive who will put them on the map from a marketing point of view.

So they plan to splash out more money come the January transfer window. Thats all fine and well as long as they keep in mind that no more than 11 players are allowed start.The more players they sign the more time Ranieri will have to spend trying to fit them all into his plans. Logically if they want to add to their squad they should start putting some of the fringe players on the transfer list first.

Sand · 09-09-2003 10:08pm

When youre talking about Kenyon taking over the Chelsea marketing does Chelsea have the same brand appeal as Man United though? Theres not a whole lot to work with beyond the fact theyve a wealthy benefactor who spends a ****load of cash on anyone whose been known to lace up a pair of boots. This didnt work to boost Blackburn as a longterm brand, and Walker eventually got bored. Didnt work for Leeds either apparently.

Kenyon might be brought in to try and get Chelsea Ltd into long term profitability but with a wage bill like they have is anyone kidding that theyre not going to be consistently making a loss, with Mr Abramovich constantly having to step in to shovel more cash at Chelsea to keep it up and running even before the next wave of transfers comes in?

Kenyon may or may not be a loss to United, Im just not sure what hes supposed to do realistically at Chelsea other than be another United hand me down?

p.pete · 09-09-2003 10:42pm

Originally posted by Sand
This didnt work to boost Blackburn as a longterm brand, and Walker eventually got bored. Didnt work for Leeds either apparently.

Blackburn were able to come from nowhere, buy the league and establish themselves as a premier league team. Chelsea were already a PL team so the only real comparison that will be available is if they do manage to buy the league.

Chelsea are starting from a much bigger fan-base both localy and internationaly. Also Chelsea is part of a very large city - which Blackburn wasn't. It is likely that if RA sticks around long enough Chelsea will be the biggest London club in quite a short period of time.

They have already bought a lot of internationaly huge players and this will help to boost their immediate popularity. Players like Duff, Veron, Cole, Mutu and Crespo are a lot more marketable then the grafters that Blackburn won the Leauge with.

With this marketability Kenyon has a lot of material to work with and I reckon he will enjoy his new job.

JohnnyBravo · 10-09-2003 8:08am

Utds Wage bill is still far more than chelseas wage bill

p.pete · 10-09-2003 8:29am

Originally posted by JohnnyBravo
Utds Wage bill is still far more than chelseas wage bill

I find that a little bit hard to believe, do you have anything to back that up?

JohnnyBravo · 10-09-2003 8:53am

"TOP CLUB WAGE BILLS, £m, 2003"
"The total Premiership wage bill in 2003 was £570.9m, a rise of 29% on the previous year."
Arsenal (28%) 34
Aston Villa (24%) 21.6
Bradford City (n/a)
Chelsea (56%) 47
Coventry City (20%) 15.8
Derby County (23%) 17.5
Everton (10%) 22.3
Leeds United (50%) 27.8
Leicester City (28%) 20.4
Liverpool (11%) 40.1
Manchester United (21%) 50.8
Middlesbrough (28%) 24.9
Newcastle United (18%) 28.9
Sheffield Wednesday (6%) 14.4
Southampton (27%) 13.8
Sunderland (121%) 22.1
Tottenham (21%) 26.1
Watford (60%) 8.3
West Ham United (42%) 25.1
Wimbledon (37%) 15.8
Figures in brackets show % rise on previous year
Figures Accurate up till 1st July 2003

p.pete · 10-09-2003 9:03am

Originally posted by JohnnyBravo

Figures Accurate up till 1st July 2003

Anything more recent Johnny? - things have changed a little since then

Sposs · 10-09-2003 9:08am

Originally posted by JohnnyBravo

All of this makes impressive reading. But what really makes this our biggest signing yet is that Kenyon is said to be a Red, "through and through". Why is that good for us? Well, I guess he sees a club who have reached their maximum potential and have no where further to go in MU whereas at Stamford Bridge he sees potential, growth and success in the years ahead. He is unlikely to stop supporting ManUre (I can respect that) but in career terms he knows the future is blue. That, more than any other signing cearly signals where we are headed.

No He left because he was offered alot more money , simply as that.

JohnnyBravo · 10-09-2003 2:43pm

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson rejected an approach by Chelsea during the summer, it was revealed today.

It is understood Ferguson was approached shortly after Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich's takeover at Chelsea, but the United boss insists it would take something ``catastrophic'' to make him leave Old Trafford.

The news has leaked out just two days after Peter Kenyon left his role as United chief executive to take up the same post at Stamford Bridge.

Ferguson told the Manchester Evening News: ``I am manager of Manchester United and it would be something absolutely catastrophic for me to leave the club. My whole life is Manchester United.

``When you become manager of this club you get woven into the fabric of the place.''

Chelsea declined to comment on the claim concerning Ferguson.

It has been a period of high drama at Stamford Bridge this summer.

Since Abramovich's takeover Chelsea have spent over £100million on new players.

The club were known to be in financial trouble before the Russian wiped out all the debts and set about adding to Claudio Ranieri's squad.

The Blues recruited three of England's finest rising stars in Glen Johnson, Wayne Bridge and Joe Cole for a combined £19.6million.

The club activated a release clause in Damien Duff's Blackburn contract and signed him for £17million, while Geremi, Juan Sebastian Veron, Adrian Mutu, Alexei Smertin, Hernan Crespo and Claude Makelele were recruited from overseas.

Kenyon's defection to west London is an indication that Chelsea are now keen to get their house in top order off the pitch.

An approach for Ferguson - by far the most successful manager in the Premier League's short history - would arguably have been Abramovich's most amazing coup so far.

Is there no one this club wont try to get

JohnnyBravo · 10-09-2003 2:56pm

it should be noted this is from football365

super_furry · 10-09-2003 3:13pm

How long before they try to buy Old Trafford?

JohnnyBravo · 10-09-2003 3:15pm

I think they are going to knock the chelsea hotel and expand the stadium based on that

p.pete · 10-09-2003 3:36pm

I heard that about the Chelsea Village as well.

I think it would be ridiculous - or wishful thinking at least that AF could do the same at Chelsea. He's a little old at this stage to be considering rebuilding squads.

At the same time I suppose most of the squad building has already taken place - it is more of a gelling job that is needed.

JohnnyBravo · 10-09-2003 3:45pm

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No limits to chelsea buying... - Peter Kenyon!

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