Who else is a 'Internet expert'?

Cabaal

Was watching TV3* this morning and some guy comes on called John and they called him a 'internet expert'.
They basically had a chat about where to find school books on-line and gave out a few sites, nothing breath taking or anything.

Anyway at the end of the show they give out his site, john.ie.
Just had a quick luck and

John Beckett is 22 years old and has been using the Internet since about 1994. He has vast experience with a wide range of Internet technologies, & has worked in a number of technology compaines, from Planet Web Cyber Cafe to Gateway.

And he created some webdesign company, that makes half the people on boards 'Internet Experts'
You can now all put that on your CV lads



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Ok I know its TV3, but they'd want to watch where they spread there bull ****.

John2002

He also designed the Ryanair.com website when he was 17. I'd imagine he's expert enough.

http://www.netbackpacker.com/DisplayArticle.asp?articleid=149

Sposs

Expert might be too strong a word but he seem's to know his stuff.

Cabaal

Ok we can call him a web design expert (or someone who just got lucky) but nothing more..

To be honest you can't even review the websites on TV3 properly from what I've seen, the john.ie is also very poor on content

His review of websites is poor in that he just has links and no actualy text about the sites
His review of hardware is piss poor because all he has setup is a image and a link to the O2 website (www.02.ie/xda)

So he may be able to design a website but he's no expert on the internet.
Fair juice to him for what he's done none the less

Kali

I want to know who he sucked off to get that domain-name.

BigEejit

Originally posted by Kali
I want to know who he sucked off to get that domain-name.

heh ... great minds think alike .... that is EXACTLY what I was thinking ....

Mac daddy

he put alot of hard work into the hardware reviewsgreat link to the o2 site brutal

Sposs

to get a domain name like John.ie simply go to http://www.cro.ie and register a company in your name,it costs about €30 once you have this you can get the .ie domain for any name once you have a company number in that name.

Cabaal

He must have sucked off a hell of alot of people for that domain alright, been thinking that from the very beginning..

Kali

Originally posted by Sposs
to get a domain name like John.ie simply go to http://www.cro.ie and register a company in your name,it costs about €30 once you have this you can get the .ie domain for any name once you have a company number in that name.

Afaik you cant register a company under such a generic name, a business/trading name yes (turns out there are two businesses called John) a whois reveals the IEDR have him down as a Sole Trader.

Cabaal

He might be able to code the Ryanair website but he sure can't code john.ie
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.john.ie

padraigmyers

Seriously lads, ye really sound like a bunch of bitch's, aren't ye all just a bit jelous.
The fact is that most of us could do what he has done but we didn't, thats the
difference, its not how well he can code or how much he knows, its the fact that at
17 he had the balls to bid to design website as big as Ryanair.com, and get it too.
And then at 22 to get on TV3 as their internet expert. I say good luck to the guy, I
wish I had his business head.

As for getting john.ie, there are loads of free .ie domains (frank.ie, pat.ie, liam.ie
and they are just the first 3 I tried). IE domains are not like .com, you need to prove
you have a right to the name, either your name or a company name. I can't just go
out and register msn.ie becase I don't have any right to that name. In .com all you
need is about $50 and if its free you can have it, no questions asked.

gerire

I say fair play to him I remember hearing about him all along as he is my age and a friend of mine knows him, or something like that. Granted he designed the original Ryanair website but that was drastically different to what is there now and it has been redone since.

Still fair play, lucky lttle B0770x

anthonymcg

John Beckett is 22 years old and has been using the Internet since about 1994. He has vast experience with a wide range of Internet technologies, & has worked in a number of technology compaines, from Planet Web Cyber Cafe to Gateway.

I've got virtually the same background without the business stuff. Worked in IBM, EHSS and now enterprise content management systems. Don't think I'm any less of an expert than this guy cos I didnt bid for Ryanair.com

Havelock

Does anyone remember the orginal Ryanair site, or what Ryanair is famous for. I know some one whom worked for them, and she said they only they care about is safty in the air. Everything else can go to pot. The orginal site was the same. But hey, he got on TV3, thats so hard to do....oh, no its not. They are dying for guests, bloody muppet channel.

padraigmyers

Sorry lads, ye still sound like bitches.

I also have just as much expertiese as this guy, but fact is I haven't got of my ass
and done anything about it.

DaithiSurfer

Most 14 year olds now can design and code web sites as well as anyone i know in the business.
This guy has a business head too if he has done what is written in this thread.
Web designers are 10 a penny but being able to rise to the top is what his talent is.
I say fair play to him. He must be much more than a web designer.

rymus

Originally posted by padraigmyers
Sorry lads, ye still sound like bitches.

I also have just as much expertiese as this guy, but fact is I haven't got of my ass
and done anything about it.

and even if you did you probably still wouldnt get anywhere... in good old Ireland its all about who you know. What you know comes into it of course but isnt really as important. "John.ie's" daddy might know a guy that knows someone thats fairly high up in ryanair and was told "ohh my friends friends son could make your website". It happens on a smaller scale, so why not with big business?

Too skeptical really....

Mac daddy

Originally posted by padraigmyers
Sorry lads, ye still sound like bitches.
.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: muppet

padraigmyers

Originally posted by Mac daddy
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: muppet

:rolleyes: :cool: muppet

GoneShootin

I think the man should be congratulated tbh. I think he was on TV3 before, being interviewed about his making of the RyanAir site. But he didnt do it alone, he had help from another chap.

Fair fucks to him

Most 14 year olds now can design and code web sites as well as anyone i know in the business

DaithiSurfer, what business are you in ? It sure as hell isn't IT if your making a statement like that.

Sposs

Originally posted by padraigmyers

need is about $50 and if its free you can have it, no questions asked.

You can buy about 10 .com domains for that price,Just so you know

damnyanks

Anyone can design a webpage. Its not hard. However it is hard to design a good webpage. Personally his site doesnt stand out, its not bad but certainly not good.

But fair play he got some big sites so honestly it probably wont matter how good his sites are. If you can say you created ryanair.com people will assume you have some talent

People ask others to build websites for them because they cant... they lack the knowledge on how to do this. Therefore if a large corporation like Ryanair say to some other place yes he did design our site over some guy who designed argus-rentacar.com who do you think they will go with ?

DaithiSurfer

I'm in IT.
Most Web-designers and programers have higher regards for their skills than they should have.
I have seriously seen far better sites written by 14 year olds than have been written by teams of experienced web-developers.
You need a lot more than good IT skills to become succesful with your own web-design company.

JustHalf

Does adrenalin.ie do anything for anybody else other than weird stuff? I don't see any links, and when I hover over any text it goes bold (and using <a> instead of a <span> or <div>?)

This is in MozillaFirebird and Konqueror. Can't check in IE for obvious reasons.

"Internet expert" is a hilarious title to be honest, but that kind of vagueness is to be expected of television. That TV3 show isn't renowned for only having techie views, after all.

PS:
Launched Netscape 4.7, found a navbar, and weird layout bugs. IE only page from the looks of things. Great advertisement for the business

damnyanks

Below are details of some of our more high profile clients:


Ryanair Plc. 
Gateway Plc. 
Power Leisure Plc. (Paddy Power) 
McInerney Plc. 
Western Wireless Corporation Plc. 
Allianz, Church & General Plc. 
Nissan 
Omniplex 
Avoca.com 
Bank of Ireland 
Blackstar.co.uk 
Circle Network Ltd. 
Mail.ie 
The Competition Authority 
Irish Special Olympics Gym Team 
Screen Traveller (Oman & Saudi Arabia) 
Positivity.com 
Swordlestown Stud 
Whitney, Moore & Keller Solicitors

Thats taken from there client list. It doesnt matter how good or bad there designs are. If you have a client list like that people assume you know what your doing.

DaithiSurfer

Thanks for making my point damnyanks.
A web business is not just about your own web-design skills.
Its about your ability to bring home the bacon too.
Looks like this guy is well able to do that.

fisty

Fair fecks to him.
His company designed BoI's site aswell...?
The kid must be worth a fair bit by now.

damnyanks

Well even though I posted it

I'd doubt he designed the actual sites... maybe he did I dont know.

What I do know is those companies do have IT departments.

Supposidly IT Departments do IT work

I think at most maybe he did some scripting if even. But I was just proving the point:)

Banks usually have large enough IT departments. Allianz are like the biggest insurance crowd in the world.

I take the list with a pinch of salt

herbie747

Originally posted by Cabaal
Fair juice to him for what he's done none the less

What's fair juice? I thought it was "fair dues".


I reckon that anyone who is knocking him is definately jealous. Especially if you work with computers- you're just jealous that a kid is more sucessful than you'll ever be at IT, or whatever other generic computer job you have.
I think it's great what he's done. Am I jealous? Yeah. Do I hold it against him and slag him because of petty jealousy? No.

Cabaal

Originally posted by DaithiSurfer
Most 14 year olds now can design and code web sites as well as anyone i know in the business.

Actually I believe that 'should' read

Most 14 year olds think they can design and code web sites as well as anyone in the business

Cabaal

Originally posted by DaithiSurfer
Thanks for making my point damnyanks.
A web business is not just about your own web-design skills.
Its about your ability to bring home the bacon too.
Looks like this guy is well able to do that.

Ok the title of this thread is
Who else is a Internet Expert? ok
Right got that straight now

My first post basically stated that this guy is no expert, you have basically agreed with that now.
You agreed he doesn't actually make the best sites ever made.
So when it comes down to the point TV3 have no business calling him a "Internet Expert"

Cabaal

Originally posted by herbie747
What's fair juice? I thought it was "fair dues".

You seem to be very anal about sentences/spelling english in general when you reply to posts give it a rest.
This is the Internet! Do you bitch and moan about people that send you text messages and ICQ messages to?

I reckon that anyone who is knocking him is definately jealous. Especially if you work with computers- you're just jealous that a kid is more sucessful than you'll ever be at IT, or whatever other generic computer job you have.
I think it's great what he's done. Am I jealous? Yeah. Do I hold it against him and slag him because of petty jealousy? No.

Sighhh,
You miss the point by miles, my point is nobody has any business calling him a so called "Internet Expert" now if you want to name anybody a Internet
Expert call Tim Berners-Lee or if you want to go back to the old days call Bob Taylor (ARPA) a expert but please don't insult us all by calling this generic #1 web designer a expert.

He may have some business skills and some web design skills but thats about it.

As for being jealous, pfft
Yess surre I am and Linus Torvalds & Bill Gates are assholes because there famous etc

Once again all I can do is sigh at that stupid remark...

herbie747

Why can't they call him an "internet expert"?
It's not an official title that you need a qualification for!

I'd say he IS an expert of the internet. It's only a description- not an official title. So stop getting so "anal" over it. You can SIGH all you want, but IMO anyone you knows a fair bit about the internet can call them selves an exoert if they want. Who's to say they aren't? You?

Cabaal

Originally posted by herbie747
Why can't they call him an "internet

I'd say he IS an expert of the internet. It's only a description- not an official title. So stop getting so "anal" over it. You can SIGH all you want, but IMO anyone you knows a fair bit about the internet can call them selves an exoert if they want. Who's to say they aren't? You?

My point is, To call yourself it or allowing a TV show to constantly call you it on national TV insults loads of people.

As an example, you know a bit of maths or science, does that make you a maths or science expert?.
Hell know..

Hmm you post abit on boards,
Suppose your equal to Devore on how boards is run and what all the small details are or your 'able' to install Linux so that MUST of course make you a Linux Expert.
But of course thats the next logical step, what else could we call you?


The word losses all meaning when you start throwing it around the place like a peice of litter..

GoneShootin

Originally posted by Cabaal
what else could we call you?

ive been called alot worse !

Sposs

Im a Pen*s Expert , due to my vast understanding of the organ and my years of handling the equipment.



mmm i wonder will i get a slot on TV3

herbie747

Originally posted by Cabaal
The word losses all meaning when you start throwing it around the place like a peice of litter..

But it isn't an official qualification that he's claiming to have. It's only a description.
He's made more money from the internet than you ever will, so I think that does make him an expert.
It's not like he's saying he has a degree in "Internet" from UCD or anything. He knows his fair share, so stop trying to nitpick because you hold it against him.
How can you say that "the word loses all meaning" when it's the the first time I'VE ever heard the phrase "internet expert" used?

You just wish someone would call you one on TV.

damnyanks

They never claimed he was a Internet development expert did they?

If they did perhaps you would have some grounds for getting so argy bargy over it. That said do you really know what he knows?

What’s to say he isnt a internet expert in the way you view him. Good designs involve functionality not just visually pleasing. Maybe that’s the route he took

He may have a huge knowledge of backend systems. He must know something if he made the whole ryanair site. I don’t know what he has done for those companies listed on his site though.

Cabaal

Originally posted by herbie747
But it isn't an official qualification that he's claiming to have. It's only a description.
He's made more money from the internet than you ever will, so I think that does make him an expert.
It's not like he's saying he has a degree in "Internet" from UCD or anything. He knows his fair share, so stop trying to nitpick because you hold it against him.
How can you say that "the word loses all meaning" when it's the the first time I'VE ever heard the phrase "internet expert" used?

You just wish someone would call you one on TV.

hahaha...... *ahem*
This is the funniest shiit I've ever read,
Your petty attempts to attack my character are pathetic at best, I notice from your posts thats what you always do.

You seem to *try* and pick at what you *think* are people's weakpoints, its very lame indeed.

He earns more money then you will ever do, he has a better job there your job

What do you know about me? ... nothing so don't look like a fool and come out with stupid comments like your above posts.


Now put it to rest and stop your childish trolling...
the rest of us have better things to do then have stupid arguments with kids.
Not even gona nother answer any of your other posts.

Cabaal

Originally posted by damnyanks
They never claimed he was a Internet development expert did they?

Yes they did it was the title on the screen
under his name.

herbie747

Originally posted by Cabaal
hahaha...... *ahem*
This is the funniest shiit I've ever read,
Your petty attempts to attack my character are pathetic at best, I notice from your posts thats what you always do.

You seem to *try* and pick at what you *think* are people's weakpoints, its very lame indeed.

He earns more money then you will ever do, he has a better job there your job

What do you know about me? ... nothing so don't look like a fool and come out with stupid comments like your above posts.


Now put it to rest and stop your childish trolling...
the rest of us have better things to do then have stupid arguments with kids.
Not even gona nother answer any of your other posts.

I never said that bit you have highlighted in bold!
If you're going to quote someone, at least get it right.
This is what I said:

He's made more money from the internet than you ever will, so I think that does make him an expert.

I'm not trying to attack your character, I'm just stating facts. I never said he had a better job than you, I said he's made more money from the internet than you ever will. So unless you become a millionaire at some stage from designing websites, then my statement is a FACT, not an attack on "what I think is your weakpoint".

hahaha...... *ahem*
This is the funniest shiit I've ever read

If you think that me stating a few obvious facts is funny, you should hear my stand-up.