Cheaper Uncapped??. anywhere

JNive

Currently Eircom offer an uncapped ADSL 1mb/256kb connection for €205 incl VAT /month. Is this the only official uncapped product or are there any others around that actually offer a cheaper uncapped service.. Also any package providing >256kb upload.
Thanx,
JNive

elsoldemayo

Check out Netsource.ie - they offer a number of ADSL uncapped packages

BKtje

Esat BT on a limited number of exchanges also do uncapped services (NOT IOL).

512/256 = €109 (inc VAT) (all 24:1 contention)
1mb/256(??)= €211 (inc VAT)
2mb/512(??) = €410 (inc VAT)

Basically 256 is best upload going without paying a large fortune.

Netsource is
512/128 = €65ish (48:1 contention)
512/128 = €107 (24:1 contention)
1mb/256 = €200 (24:1 contention)

There are also wireless options from leap.ie and irishbroadband.ie tho their availability is largely limited to the south side of Dublin.

Moriarty

JNive, id already moved the exact same thread you made last night. The Broadband forum is more suited to your questions.

BKtje

Forgot to mention that at least ibb is symetrical.
(as it happens we got sent out their price list recently, business)

512/512 = €135 (All -VAT i think) (4:1)
1024/1024) = €250 (4:1)
2048/2048 = €450 (4:1)
512/512 = €465 (un-contended)
1024/1024 = €685 (un-contended)
2048/2048 = €1085 (un-contended)

They also have cheaper none business ones i think which are 8:1 but also symetrical.
If you need that kinda upload better to go with them i guess.

Mutant_Fruit

Erm... afaik symetrical means that you can upload at 512 and download at 512 at the same time. You can't do that with IBB, they are asymetrical, meaning you can eaither download at full speed or upload at full speed, but not both.

Excuse me if i'm wrong, but i think thats right.

BKtje

Erm... afaik symetrical means that you can upload at 512 and download at 512 at the same time

Yer i know that.

You can't do that with IBB, they are asymetrical, meaning you can eaither download at full speed or upload at full speed, but not both.

Didn't realise that you didn't have a dedicated download/upload with IBB. Bit of a pain. Anyways...

Boston

Originally posted by Mutant_Fruit
Erm... afaik symetrical means that you can upload at 512 and download at 512 at the same time. You can't do that with IBB, they are asymetrical, meaning you can eaither download at full speed or upload at full speed, but not both.

Excuse me if i'm wrong, but i think thats right.

can you back this up, because that not what they sell the product as. they call it symetrical. Now its allways been the case on every service that if your downloadin at full speed, your upload isn't the best. When i had eircoms adsl i could never reach the 14k uploading while downloading at 55k, but could if i wasn't downloading (i know technically theres separate frequency ranges and the like)

Btw IBB new ripwave service will also be 512k up and down, but with 24:1 contention ratio Offical from the evil she beasts mouth

iano

Guys,
You may be confusing symmetrical/non-symmetrical with full/half-duplex.

The bandwidth can be symmetrical (i.e. max upload speed = max download speed) while the radio link is half-duplex (either Transmit or Receive, not both at the same time).

Virtually all point-to-multipoint radio systems are half-duplex.

By definition, ADSL offers differing upload and download speeds (i.e is non-symmetrical). There are symmetrical DSL variants such as SDSL, SHDSL, HDSL-2 etc. but they are not available in Ireland.

Wireless ISP offerings are NOT any type of DSL which by definition is a technology that exploits unused frequencies on copper telephone lines to transmit traffic.

I hope that this helps,
Ian.

Mutant_Fruit

You may be confusing symmetrical/non-symmetrical with full/half-duplex.

thats me alright. But IBB are a good service, i recommend em. They've successfully resolved the interference issues they previously had, and i'm consistantly getting 450+ speeds.

But my upload never seems to get past 40kb's at any stage, even when i'm not downloading... but thats not so bad.

Boston

Originally posted by iano
Guys,
You may be confusing symmetrical/non-symmetrical with full/half-duplex.

The bandwidth can be symmetrical (i.e. max upload speed = max download speed) while the radio link is half-duplex (either Transmit or Receive, not both at the same time).

Virtually all point-to-multipoint radio systems are half-duplex.

By definition, ADSL offers differing upload and download speeds (i.e is non-symmetrical). There are symmetrical DSL variants such as SDSL, SHDSL, HDSL-2 etc. but they are not available in Ireland.

Wireless ISP offerings are NOT any type of DSL which by definition is a technology that exploits unused frequencies on copper telephone lines to transmit traffic.

I hope that this helps,
Ian.

excellent post, i didn't know that. Btw SDSL and HDSL services are available, (where) esat for one was using those standards to provide leased lines (at lease to my last employer)

Stormfox1020

For cheap Uncapped DSL i suggest moving to USA , cuz u wont be finding it here any time soon

BKtje

but they are not available in Ireland.

SDSL is indeed available here, from Esat.

Boston

Originally posted by B-K-DzR
SDSL is indeed available here, from Esat.

I agree, in fact i allready said it. anywho

BKtje

hehe yer sorry
Was in a rush and happened to see that i was being quoted so thought i'd better respond. You did indeed already say it

iano

OK, some of the symmetrical DSL technologies are indeed used to deliver leased lines.

What I meant is that no ISP is offering a consumer/SOHO/SME internet access product based upon these technologies.

For example, Eircom's list price for a 512kbit/s leased line (no Internet connection, just the line) is €5,600+ per anum with an installation charge of €2158.
Ouch!, well out of the price range!

In general, we don't need symmetrical bandwidth but it would be nice to see consumer/SOHO products with download speeds of between 1mbit/s and 3mbit/s and uploads between 256kbit/s and 512kbit/s.

I'm so jealous of those countries where they have cable companies offering decent and reasonably priced access.

Ian.

mrblack

NTL offer an uncapped 600K package which I have costing EURO 40/month.

Their uncapped 150K offering costs Euro 30/month. The catches are you have to pay for Cable TV as well, and live in one of their cabled areas.

They installed my BB connection about a month ago and its works very well 90% of the time. Sometimes it stops for no reason but I am relatively pleased with their service and delivery.

My friend up the road has ESAT BB and I think that the NTL version is a superior product and over time if NTL expand their areas then cable is a good alternative to DSL. Maybe even we will get some price competition sometime.

IDM

I've been bombarding the NTL phone lines with calls, this past year. Keep on asking them when they might actually get around to laying cable in the rest of Dublin. I live in Dublin 2, right smack dab in the centre of the city, yet there are still no really good uncapped broadband options !

They always give me the same answer: "We haven't been given any dates yet."

Do we have anybody on the inside, here, who might know a little bit more ? Next time that I call, I'm going to try to speak to someone a little higher up in the ranks.

iano

Let's be realistic.
NTL was our great hope but went bust after only rolling out service to small pockets of Dublin West/South-West.

NTL service in the UK is good with a 600kbit/s service for STG£24.99 and a 1MBit/s service for STG£34.99 (with free installation and modem).

With Sky having so many Digital Customers in Ireland, can anyone really see NTL Ireland getting approval for a major capital expenditure program. Recall that on August 12th, NTL reported the triumph of reducing its quarterly LOSS to STG£159.0 million.

Where it exists, Cable is generally the #1 preference with ADSL as a more expensive option for those poor souls who are not in a cable area.

In my opinion, anyone lucky enough to be able to get the NTL service should give it serious consideration but I do not expect to see it generally available any day soon.

BKtje

Their irish services are actually profitable iirc.

vibe666

i have ntl's tv thing, and aside from a few minor niggles with the EPG, it's pretty good, and if they would get of their asses and roll out cable broadband to all their tv users i reckon they'd be inundated with calls at the price they have it listed at.

unfortunately like everyone else that has called ntl i don't get anything other than 'er, i'm not sure', or the old 'we haven't got any dates yet'.

it sucks.

i keep thinking about eircom dsl, but the cost is still too high considering the contention ratio is 48:1.

oh well, moving to oz next year, so will have to see how they have it over there!

iano

Don't want to stray too far off-topic, but here goes:

NTL reported "Segment Profit" of GBP5.6 million ($9.0m) in Q2 2003" for Ireland.
"Segment Profit" is a non-GAAP financial measure that NTL uses to assess its business units. It ignores many costs and expenses such as depreciation, amortization, recapitalization and restructuring expenses.

NTL largely achieved this by increasing prices by 9% for basic television services on Jan 1st. This was on top of a rise of up to 30 per cent in late 2000. They have a cable television monopoly in Dublin, Galway and Waterford cities.

On August 15th 2003, The Irish Times wrote: "The company is planning to upgrade its cable to 140,000 homes by the end of 2004 to be able to offer high-speed internet access, he (Mr Graham Sutherland, NTL Ireland's managing director) says.
But this will require heavy investment by NTL's parent, which faces $ 6 billion in debts.
The firm will also have to reassess its strategy in the telephony market, which it pulled out of last year."

I genuinely hope that NTL does invest in its network and delivers widespread and competitive broadband real soon .... I'm just not going to hold my breath.

mrblack

Actually I found out that NTL were upgrading the cables around my estate by stopping and asking some guys that were laying cable under the footpath one night at about 11:30pm which company they were contracted out to-They were very helpful and told me that the NTL cable system would be ready in no time. The next morning when I rang the customer service they didn't know anything about it or any timetable for marketing of the upgraded service. So now my attitude with customer service is that they might not know everything going on in NTL. Anyway about 3 weeks later after I rang twice a week each week eventually one of them said its available now. The guy came bang on time and so I have faith in NTL if not their customer service-But I do think they have tried at least to meet demand without gouging the public like Eircom!

iano

From NTL's FAQ:
"Where and when will ntl's Always-On Broadband Internet service be available?

The rollout plan of our broadband internet service is currently only available in certain parts of West Dublin in and around the Dublin 24, 22, 16, 12, 6, 6W and Lucan areas. "

Lucky you to be in Johnsbridge, mrblack.
Pitty us poor Northsiders!

Mutant_Fruit

i live in dublin 16, and i don't got it i'd happily ditch my curent ISP to get on NTL, even though i'd owe them extra due to the 1 year contract.