RTE Europe

ozsat

This radio service should appear on Sky from Tuesday - with RTE Radio 1 becoming stereo.

johnnyq

what is your source ?

Mossy Monk

RTÉ Europe radio service? what is this, never heard of it

celticfc

'Tis a new one on me as well.

ozsat

I've no idea what 'RTE Europe' will be either - I just know it will be replacing 'RTE Radio 1' in the EPG - with 'RTE Radio 1' being moved to a new number.

Perhaps it will be a best of RTE-Radio?


I posted the info here as I thought it may provide more info about the new channel.

DMC

Hmmm. Could they be using the WRN feed for this?

Absolutely no word on this anywhere else.

ozsat

Remember where you heard it first

My understanding is that the existing (WRN) feed used on D-Sat will become RTE Europe on 892 - the existing stereo feed on the RTE will then get its own number (910?) for RTE Radio 1.

The feed bit may not be right - but the channel changes are.

I've never seen any mention of RTE Europe - so perhaps it is a best of (and may even remain RTE Radio 1 for the time being).

ozsat

Wasn't there plans for a best-of-RTE for 252kHz - or the old Radio 1 frequency if it moved to 252kHz?

watty

252 LW has been carrying RTE1 Radio

RTE1 on Sky is at present (or was till recently ) the mono WRN feed.

RTE1 Stereo was till recently on the Irish 2D mux, but as an "other Channel" not on EPG.

Since 2D is not receivable over all Europe it makes sense that the WRN transponder carry RTE Europe.

Like other WRN feed I expect RTE Europe will be mostly RTE1 with some RnaG and a few other odds and ends.

We are second oldest broadcaster in the World (BBC first) since 1922.

About the LAST to do a real external service. In recent years as an Innovation RTE started renting time on SW Transmitters, but it was mostly R1, rather than a true External Service.

mate

Is RTE's 2FM on fta, uk and Irish EPG's

sceptre

Originally posted by mate
Is RTE's 2FM on fta, uk and Irish EPG's

Yes

914

Lennoxschips

Yeah, I could pick up RTE Radio 1 on 252 fairly clearly here in Holland, although it seems to have gone off the air lately. I guess it hasn't been officially launched yet.

About freakin' time RTE. Somebody at Donnybrook had a brainwave and thought: Gee, look at all those Irish scattered the UK and Europe... perhaps we could "target" them with "advertising".

[rant]
Now all I want is to be able to vote! Every other EU national living abroad can vote in their national elections, so why shouldn't I? Because Bertie knows all the expat votes will be anti-FF... At the moment I can't vote anywhere!
[/rant]

Tony

Originally posted by ozsat
Remember where you heard it first

).

So why will you not answer Johnny Q's question? The source of your info?

Tony

ozsat

I thought I'd post the info here rather than in other forums - I get fed-up with the "What's the source?" everytime. But it happens here too.

If its crap then I'll give you a crap source - if its correct then what does it matter?

If you want to name a source - then 'OzSat News'!

DMC

Originally posted by ozsat
If its crap then I'll give you a crap source - if its correct then what does it matter?

So how can we be expected to believe you?

What you say is plausable, but RTÉ have made no announcement whatsoever. Pinch of salt again...

ozsat

Quoting a source means nothing (except to acknowledge the first report) - unless you provide contact details as well which can be verified by everybody. Who is going to do that?

Perhaps RTE Europe is so much of a nothing service - RTE haven't bothered saying anything.

It could be just a stream name the European feed of Radio 1.

Tony

Originally posted by ozsat
I thought I'd post the info here rather than in other forums - I get fed-up with the "What's the source?" everytime. But it happens here too.

Really, well I'll tell you what dude we get fed up with posts from unattributed sources that turn out most of the time to be BS. Whats wrong with naming the source? at least that way people can make up their own minds as to the validity of the information. You dont get drinking water out of a gutter, comments can be judged by their source.

Tony

ozsat

Originally posted by Tony
Really, well I'll tell you what dude we get fed up with posts from unattributed sources that turn out most of the time to be BS. Whats wrong with naming the source? at least that way people can make up their own minds as to the validity of the information. You dont get drinking water out of a gutter, comments can be judged by their source.

Tony

I agree - many post are BS about new channels etc.

But giving a source will mean nothing unless that source posts on here as well to confirm it. Even then it can mean nothing. How many stories in publications like MediaGuardian and What Satellite have been wrong?

We have been providing news to the UK since 1989 and do not publish unverified stories.

As I said - OzSat News is the source - and find a false story which has been released from them!

I thought it being RTE would not only be of interest here - but perhaps people here would know more about it.

I'll not give such info in the future if people would prefer!?

DMC

No it doesnt, if you name or hint at the source, the chances of your post standing up will be enhanced.

It will be judged on its merits.

ozsat

Well - I'll ask what channel do you get on 892 on your Sky box?

seano

No it doesnt, if you name or hint at the source, the chances of your post standing up will be enhanced.

It will be judged on its merits. QUOTE .....DMC


@ Ozsat

Its merits have been judged !!!!!!!!

Nice one

EKRIUQ

Most the things on this board comes from Digital Spy UK and a lot of the time they don't have a source either

ozsat

This is the only place I posted it - never saw it anywhere on the web.

At present it is Radio 1 - so perhaps it is a best of.

Icehouse

Well done to ozsat for giving boards.ie an exclusive. And 'shame' on those of you who jumped on him for verification instead of waiting to judge, LOL ;op

Tony

Originally posted by ozsat
I agree - many post are BS about new channels etc.

But giving a source will mean nothing unless that source posts on here as well to confirm it.
As I said - OzSat News is the source - and find a false story which has been released from them!


I'll not give such info in the future if people would prefer!?

Well if you had said "Oz sat news" in the first post then I doubt you would have gotten any flak. The source does no have to post to confirm a story all I ask is that you say where the story came from and then people can judge for themselves. Saying it came for "OZ sat" carries a lot more weight then saying for example" I heard this from a bloke down the pub"

Anyway thanks for posting the info.

Tony

Tony

Originally posted by Icehouse
Well done to ozsat for giving boards.ie an exclusive. And 'shame' on those of you who jumped on him for verification instead of waiting to judge, LOL ;op

Shame on us for wanting to check out the story? your kidding right?

Tony

Genghis

I agree with Tony's points, but only to an extent. I think there is a place for people to post rumours - as you must know yourself Tony, it is a small industry, and the person you get the info from may not want to be quoted. That does not limit the potential importance of the information.

It might be an idea for a mod to amend the title of these threads to include something like *ayur* (as yet unsubstantiated rumour), so that we know not to take it at face value. This could be removed if it materialises, or is in another way verified.

In assessing whether something is true or not, I look at a number of factors: How long that person is posting, whether they have been genuine in what they have said before, whether or not it makes any real sense, what sort of questions others ask, etc. Not just whether or not it is sourced. I wouldn't re-circulate an unsubstantiated rumour, either, but that is not to say that I am not interested in reading them.

Stiabhna

What's the advantage of a European version of RTE Radio 1?

Does it not already broadcast FTA on Astra 2?

S.

maisflocke

Originally posted by Stiabhna
What's the advantage of a European version of RTE Radio 1?

Does it not already broadcast FTA on Astra 2?

S.

From a different perspective, Whats the advantage of the Astra 2D version of Radio One?

Both RTÉ's can be found on Astra 2.
The Astra 2B european "version" is on a european beam.
The Astra 2D version is on a narrow focused beam.


Having the same station on two transponders at the same orbital position does not make a lot of sense..... and before you mention that Radio One on Astra 2D is in stereo as opposed to monophonic "RTÉ Europe" on Astra 2B, I am sure they would have the technical capibilities to upgrade to stereo.

DMC

Right. Firstly, thanks ozsat. Good exclusive, top notch.

Now, onto how to deal with rumours. Tony is right to ask to verify the story and give the source. The source does not have to come here to add more, and no apology is needed for wanting to ask for more information/proof. Each rumour is given a piece of rope on which to hang itself on. These things have a shelf life. But I'd like to debate Genghis' comments further.....

An example.

I can exclusively reveal that ITV is going free to air, like the BBC.

Now, do you believe me this statement or not? It is up to you. Putting Genghis' logic in place, a lot of people should believe me, as I post often and could be seen as reliable.

Now, ozsat doesn't post often, and he's got a rumour spot on.

That statement I made above is a lie, there is no truth in it, I made it up.

As you can see, not a great benchmark. Of course, I wouldn't post up anything that can be construed as lies, but this is the interweb, we're fairly anonymous here.

As for flagging a rumour. Possibly, yes. The mods will give it more thought.

Regards,

DMC.

irishgeo

You can't fight in here, this is the war room.

Lads calm down. The amount of untrue stuff that psoted here is huge and growing and getting sources is essential in putting the muck where in belongs on the crapheap.

Icehouse

Originally posted by Tony
Well if you had said "Oz sat news" in the first post then I doubt you would have gotten any flak. The source does no have to post to confirm a story all I ask is that you say where the story came from and then people can judge for themselves. Saying it came for "OZ sat" carries a lot more weight then saying for example" I heard this from a bloke down the pub"

Anyway thanks for posting the info.

Tony

Hi Tony, yes I was joking when I said you guys should be ashamed - hence my use of the smiley and "LOL"

That said your above quoted post requires some explaining - are you saying that if I post some news on here that you find nowhere else but I flag it 'Icehouse Sat News' that makes it more valid than just simply posting 'Here's the latest...' ??!!

Anyways I don't believe it always necessary to say from where info comes, and believe that the response to this type of post should be more "Can you tell me where this info comes from?", "I'll believe it when it happens" etc. rather than "Name your source or don't post on here". You'll know from a person's previous posts on here whether they're trustworthy or not, and equally if they haven't posted before we all know to take it with a grain of salt until it comes through. Admins should warn or ban trolls / persistent rumour mongers and maybe even start a rumour folder if you/others don't wish to read anything unsubstantiated?

While I like this board and find it informative I also find it can be a little too clique-y and unwelcoming at times. Maybe it's not the case but is the impression I get sometimes.

sayireland

Channel 892 RTE Europe, Channel 910 RTE Radio1

Stiabhna

QUOTE]From a different perspective, Whats the advantage of the Astra 2D version of Radio One?[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Surely if they want to targe the mainland European market, they should opt for 19° East??

S.

Mossy Monk

are they not already on Hotbird for European listeners

why was Radio 1 put on 910 rather than 913 or 2FM etc. moved down 3 spaces so that they could be grouped together. i know there is nothing between them at the moment but in the future there could be

all RTÉ radio has RTÉ before it's name. ie. RTÉ 2FM, RTÉ Lyric and so on

Tony

Originally posted by Genghis
I agree with Tony's points, but only to an extent. I think there is a place for people to post rumours - as you must know yourself Tony, it is a small industry, and the person you get the info from may not want to be quoted.

Possibly but a lot of rumours that appear here eminated from Sky's marketing guys who whilst they want the info to circulate they do not wish their own names mentioned as they know the information not to be true, we had a recent example of this with the ITV coming soon thread. When I posted the info about BBC coming on the person did not want to be quoted simply because he did not want to be inundated with Email but I did explain what his position was in the organisation.(Kevin Mc Gann BTW, he has since moved depts) All I am asking that some description of source is given so that the informations validity may be judged one way or the other by each reader.

Thanks for your comments

Tony

Tony

Originally posted by Icehouse
Hi Tony, yes I was joking when I said you guys should be ashamed - hence my use of the smiley and "LOL"

Sorry did not cop that

That said your above quoted post requires some explaining - are you saying that if I post some news on here that you find nowhere else but I flag it 'Icehouse Sat News' that makes it more valid than just simply posting 'Here's the latest...' ??!![/QUOTE]

No I'm not saying that, if I see "OZnews" as the source then at least I can go check it out

Anyways I don't believe it always necessary to say from where info comes, and believe that the response to this type of post should be more "Can you tell me where this info comes from?", "I'll believe it when it happens" etc. rather than "Name your source or don't post on here". You'll know from a person's previous posts on here whether they're trustworthy or not, and equally if they haven't posted before we all know to take it with a grain of salt until it comes through. Admins should warn or ban trolls / persistent rumour mongers and maybe even start a rumour folder if you/others don't wish to read anything unsubstantiated?[/QUOTE]

Nobody said name source or dont post but I do take your point that saying" can you tell me etc" is a better way to go

While I like this board and find it informative I also find it can be a little too clique-y and unwelcoming at times. Maybe it's not the case but is the impression I get sometimes. [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm sorry you have this impression, for my own part I'll do my best to contibute more to a welcoming atmosphere.

Maybe we could have a rumour mill sticky where everyone could post unattributed info.

Tony

lawhec

The Astra 2B broadcast of Radio 1 is it's Medium Wave outlet. It is sent to WRN in London via landline to be uplinked. I think the only reason it is in mono is due to bandwidth reasons from the legacy of it's analogue satellite transmission on 19.2 East where they also broadcasted in mono.

The Astra 2D feed is in stereo and is the stations FM outlet. The uplink is direct from Donnybrook.

jabarrett35

Which one is the stereo 892 or 910 ? Oh and by the way does RTE radio 1 on 252 LW broadcast only for certain periods in the day as it was on the air at 1300 but off air at 1700.

MarkK

From:
http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/html/medianews.html


RTÉ to launch longwave service on 1st October
26 August 2003

Lennie Kaye, Technical Operations Manager (Radio) at Irish public broadcaster RTÉ, has told Media Network that the official launch of the longwave service of RTÉ Radio 1 on 252 kHz is planned for 1 October 2003. The transmitter has been testing in recent days, leading to a spate of E-mails to Media Network and other media sites. RTÉ acquired the transmitter from its previous commercial owners, TEAMtalk, when that station closed on 31 July last year. The longwave service is intended primarily for Irish expatriates living in the UK.

At the same time, RTÉ has expanded its radio services on the Sky Digital platform by adding the stereo version of RTÉ Radio 1 on the Electronic Programme Guide (EPG) at 910. The existing Radio 1 service on EPG 892 has been re-named "RTE Europe" as it's carried on the Astra 2B satellite which has a wider footprint than the new stereo service on Astra 2D that covers mainly Ireland and the UK. The RTÉ Europe service carries the same alternative programming at certain times as the mediumwave transmitter in Ireland on 567 kHz.


Got the link from a poster on digitalspy

DMC

Ahhh. nice 1.

Sin e an Fear

Now all I want is to be able to vote! Every other EU national living abroad can vote in their national elections, so why shouldn't I? Because Bertie knows all the expat votes will be anti-FF... At the moment I can't vote anywhere!

In the UK the cut-off is twenty years. Italian expats elect 12 deputies and 6 senators to parliament in Rome. And they watch the same TV channels as in Rome as rights holders don't care about everything being dubbed. (Portugal has a few expat deputies as well.)

Funny thing is that TARA TV (like BBC Worldwide) seemed to regard expatriate viewers of its channel as eccentrics, rather than their prime audience. 'It's television FROM the Irish, not exclusively FOR the Irish'. Patronising tossers, they deserved to fold up. I only really watched TARA for the news- and Kenny Live. The last Late Late Show with Gaybo was interrupted by cable operators for a free preview of the Fantasy Channel. So tame they might as will have given us the Angelus (which TARA never showed on Six-One)

DMC

Lads, dont go OT, or I'll start editing posts.

No politics here.

Sin e an Fear

Gabh mo leithsceal. On the matter of TV, the South African expats in Europe are about to have their own channel , and they see no need to pander to overseas tastes.

DMC

I'd like to see an Aussie ex-pat channel, meself.

I'll get on the blower to Mr. K. Packer.

Greenman

Got this back from Montrose!!!!

RTE has 5 radio services:
1 RTE Radio 1 FM -Stereo
2 RTE Radio 1 MW- Mono
3 2FM-Stereo
4 Lyric - Stereo
5 RnaG- Stereo
While all the above were all available on SKY, RTE Radio Stereo 1 did not have an EPG. This has now been sorted with the allocation of 910.

892 and 910 have similar content, but different reception areas, i.e. 892 has European coverage while 910 is a UK and Irl. service. Also 892 carries more sport , religious services and political programming. In addition, with the allocation of the 910 epg RTE can now address a European service as distinct to the UK and IRl footprint..

Thanks for the mail
Hope this answers the questions

Cheers,
Lennie Kaye
Technical Operations Manager, Radio

Sin e an Fear

I'd like to see an Aussie ex-pat [sic] channel, meself.

Well, there is, ABC Asia Pacific but you'll be hard pressed to pick it up west of Bangladesh. Even when it was called Australia Television International, it still only covered the Asia Pacific. My contact in New Zealand tells me that they can pick it up that far south, but the ABC said 'no' to reception in NZ even though it's free to air.

Perhaps RTE should have a channel in Australia.

I read about someone in Dubai trying to pick up Astra 2D with a 5.5 metre dish- WHOA!!

byte

Originally posted by Tony


Maybe we could have a rumour mill sticky where everyone could post unattributed info.

Tony

That would be a pretty good idea, or maybe a subforum within Satellite section?

Greenman

I am in Rabat and what a pity no RTE Radio 1 on Hotbird using a 90cm dish but getting a great signal on Nilesat.:) Getting RTE Radio 1 late at night on 567khz AM. I do get NPR on Hotbird and I am still hunting for my WorldSpace radio. Excuse a little off topic.

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by greenman
but getting a great signal on Nilesat

is radio 1 on nilesat?