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The Borg : Ultimate Communism or Ultimate Facism

  • 10-08-2003 6:14pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭ Raphael


    In my opinion the borg are an ultimate form of facism as the borg queen can command any drone to do as she wills, whether the drone likes it or not. But what does everyone else think?

    The Borg : Commies or Facists 24 votes

    Ultimate Facism
    0% 0 votes
    Ultimate Communism
    33% 8 votes
    OMG what a waste of time
    54% 13 votes
    Vodka
    12% 3 votes


Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭ Woden


    Since i'm too stupid to know the difference i can't really comment so eh i'll just agree with you or something


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭ bizmark


    i guess their like commys alright trying to "improve" others by inforceing their will on you useing millitry power


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,731 ✭✭✭✭ simu


    I'm not sure if these terms of human social organisation can rightly be said to apply to the Borg. I'd always likened them more to ants or other insects that function in a "hive-like" manner.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 465 ✭✭ bloggs


    I think communism, as in fascism (in regard to Hitler) it was based on loyality to the leader, but individalism seemed to be tollerated. While under communism (in regard to Stalin) it was in regard to 'better things' and the leader was just a wait to 'guide' them, but individualism was rejected. So i guess the Borg would be more communist than fascist.

    Mutant Traitor Commie ;) (i regard to the RPG Paranoia)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭ Havelock


    Ultimate Communism wouldn't impose its self on others. Facism believes it is the greatest form of existance and all it does it better itself. Ego the Borg are the ultimate facists, as they believe they are the highest form of life and that all should be like them and all that join them make them better.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ The Beer Baron


    Ultimate Globalisation?

    Certainly you can see how the Borg Collective is the Bill Gates of the galaxy- no room for open source when they're in town.

    (edit- nice to see there's as many who voted for facism as there was vodka)


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 87,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    just see if closer to Hitler or Stalin ..

    They exploit other races and Capitalism is the explotation of man by man - whereas Communism is the exact opposite.

    Well there was a queen so I guess it's a dictatorship which means .. of course that ...

    eh - all the drones are expendible ...

    Ok - they invade thier neighbours and kill any who resist and force the rest to work as slaves....

    They disapprove of other belief systems ....


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 5,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭ spooky donkey


    i say they are commies!
    commies without the vodka!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 465 ✭✭ bloggs


    It's a tough question alright, thing is our only examples of extreme facism and communism are hilter and stalin, but as both of them were more or less the same, it's hard to put the Borg down as either side.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 87,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    How about trying to find the closest human society they match...

    "Comunism"
    Albania (post zog)
    Cambodia (Kymer Rouge)
    China Mao
    Vietnam

    Dictatorships
    as above...
    And
    Most of Eastern Europe before '39 inc Poland
    Spain Portugal Italy
    South America
    Bolivia when they had a coastline

    Other types of societies
    Many Muslim countries
    Aboriginal/Tribal ones


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭ Tummon


    You see this is wher over thinking things can hurt. They are like ants, ants dont have politics and i dont think borg do either now whats the situation wItH the federation?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭ Woden


    the federation is pretty much all living happily ever after at the moment, lets see what happens next


  • Registered Users Posts: 835 ✭✭✭ ilkhanid


    Not Fascism. Even if the Borg was ruled by a queen, it takes more than an authoritarian ruler to be fascist. After all,these types of regime existed long before the twentieth century. The Queen appears to be something more, a kind of expression of the will of the collective,a kind of organizing principle.
    Also, a common trait of Fascist regimes is racism and an emphasis on destroying or enslaving out-groups (jews,gypsies,homosexuals) regarded as being inferior. But the Borg often assimilate other species, making them the same as themselves,so this does'nt apply. In fact they often ignore species they consider inferior,like the Kazon.
    I would consider them to be nearest (but still very unlike them) to the most radical types of 20th century Communism, such as Maoism,North Korea or the Khmer Rouge, in attempting to deny individuality,make everybody as similiar as possible and institute a regime of total control. But even then there are great differences. Really,the best comparisons are to ants or bees.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭ komodosp


    I wouldn't say they are the "ultimate" of either, but they are closer to communism... Even though they have a "Queen", she is more like a "Queen bee" than a monarch / dictator, that is, she is a manifestation of the collective ... er... will...

    While a fascist dictator makes the decisions him/herself and tells the people the way it is, it would seem to me that the Borg Queen is more considerate of the needs of the people and the decisions she makes are just reflections of the decisions made by the collective itself. For instance, I don't believe the Queen would have the ability to say, build herself a luxurious palace at the expense of a little of the integrity of the collective.


  • Registered Users Posts: 835 ✭✭✭ ilkhanid


    Indeed. In fact she does'nt seem to be even an individual herself. She is more a principle than a person. Note the way that she is regularly replaced,(killed in "The Best of Both Words", again in "First Contact") yet remains so similiar.


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