Noel Dempsey and Fee Paying Private Schools

Cork

I think Noel Dempsey is right with regards the State paying teachers in private fee paying schools. The schools should be given a choice to open up or go it alone.

spongebob

days schools yes .....like half of south dublin these days, especially if there is a free school of the same denominstion in the area.

not too sure about boarding schools ....eg for islanders and minor religous denominations

M

gandalf

Well apparently the counter arguement is if these schools decide to join the state ones as non fee paying then it will cost a hell of a lot more to the taxpayer than it currently does (ie with capitation grants etc).

Another stupid soundbite from the idiot brigade in charge of the country.

Gandalf.

spongebob

more than likely they will feck off anyway.

They cannot join the state sector with their elitist entry policies , they will have to get rid of them as well ........which is unacceptable to these schools anyway.

Mummy and Daddy will have to drive that 2001 beemer a bit longer than planned and forget about the Pajéro for the school runs, a Honda Jazz will simply have to do for the little dears.

The difference between a full fee and a partially subsidised fee (as now) is an extra year out of the 5 series per sprog. I am that sorry for them.

M

mike65

Originally posted by Muck
more than likely they will feck off anyway.

They cannot join the state sector with their elitist entry policies , they will have to get rid of them as well ........which is unacceptable to these schools anyway.

Mummy and Daddy will have to drive that 2001 beemer a bit longer than planned and forget about the Pajéro for the school runs, a Honda Jazz will simply have to do for the little dears.

The difference between a full fee and a partially subsidised fee (as now) is an extra year out of the 5 series per sprog. I am that sorry for them.

M

I'll have you know my parents were ordinary folk on a modest
executive level salary which was then a perilous self-employed income and they continued to fork out anyway, we drove a Ford Escort and a Fiat 127! Beemer my arse!

Why spend the money? Mainly religious reasons....we also got to mix with funny foreigners and ppl of other races and other crazy progressive stuff! (this was back in the 70s)

Mike.

spongebob

see my other post about religious reasons for attending a particular school (much FURTHER above) .

sceptre

Odds-on they'll sacrifice the new proposal for a commitment from the schools that they'll take in a set number of people from disadvantaged backgrounds for free and call that a triumph. That is, unless Noely wants to finish one of his little announcements with an actual policy this year.

So where's all the extra money (75 million) they promised to promote education in disadvantaged areas when they scrapped the reintroduction of fees? Where's the extra money (about 20 million) that they said they'd "focus" on "needed areas" (same people) when they castrated the Back to Education allowance (which thitherto was going to, yup, you've guessed it, the same people) this year?

Is anyone else taking careful note of the plethora of lies coming out of the Department of Education and Department of Social Welfare? Do they think no-one is watching?

And take careful note of this. They didn't want to pay the money back to citizens they fleeced. Off-topic for this thread so I'm putting it in nice small text

spongebob

Noel will cut a deal about an 'open ' admissions policy for certain schools in a defined area.....maybe something to do with feeder primary schools etc. etc. Then he will carry on paying the bills as before ...for another few years...

He'll also have to deal with some nominally open schools which have illegal entrance tests and rigid streaming based on them suc as St Joseph in Galway (the bish) in order to be fair to everybody.

Other than that he will acept the status quo ante.

gandalf

Oh dear muck I sense issues about Fee paying schools. I also went to a Fee paying school and my parents were at the pin of their collars to send me there. They wanted a better choice for me that the local schools and eventhough I didn't set the world on fire academically I am very grateful because I'm happy with the person my education has allowed me to become.

I think you may have a chip on your shoulders there old bean

Gandalf.

spongebob

Yo!

If I send my sprog to a fee paying school....in order to keep him away from the wiffwaff in the public sector, then I must pay for it myself......except that I pay for it ALREADY!

I am paying tax in order to pay the salaries of the teachers in those schools.

Funny how we all have to dip equally in the pocket when they are in a creche, I am no worse off than someone in Dublin...or better off either. There is no tax relief...equally applied.

As soon as the little dears go to second level, I find myself keeping my sprog in school along with subsidising others.

Geddout of it Gandalf. It is an unfair subsidy, a distortion of a market (that in private education) and a waste of public money.

It would actually cost the state less in the long term if they reserved places in public schools for skangers from Summerhill ...... less than keeping them in prison later. There is an fiscal argument for the skanger quota in Belvedere and in Blackrock but there is no overweening economic argument in favour of the subsidisation of parental choice save where geography or religious ethos militate against that choice in which case I have some sympathies with a state subsidy being made available. Otherwise it is all market forces and should not be encouraged by a misapplication of public funds. At least Dempsey has spotted the anomaly.

If you Don't like the local schools then Don't live there. There are stacks of good schools in Dublin, entry gratis. I have often told my peers the same thing when they moved to Lucan , Lucan being almost bereft of decent public schools owing to lack of planning and foresight.

M

Cork

I think that if either shools open up to the public or the state should withdraw funding.

I went to a preety good school (secondary). There were no fees and students were not admitted according to adademic ability.

I was lucky. Looking back - I could not fault the school.

Academically - we did not set the world alight but we tried to achieve our best.

There were no entry barriers to the school & nobody was excluded.

Should this not be a model for others to follow?