Expecting a summons?

KdjaCL

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3095181.stm

A US music industry crackdown on internet music 'pirates' has sent subpoenas to allegedly unwitting parents and grandparents, court documents have shown.
Some of the industry's earliest subpoenas have identified a varied group of people, some of whom were apparently unaware their computers were being used to download songs.

With this new law (in US only for now) anyone who downloaded anything from p2p can be charged and fined.
If you got a summons to pay a fine would you pay it?


Some great articles about on BBC website ,some people for it and against it.
Seriously who would buy an album if you can press "save as " and get it for free.

kdjac

Boston

seriously, remember where you are living, a country where heroin dealers get 3 months in prison. I not surprised about this in america, hell allot them want to introduce laws govering who can and can't have children. THe so called land of freedom, ****s itself when ever it sees true freedom, be it press, tv or intrenet, and demands to control it.

Silent Bob

It seriously ticks me off to hear the RIAA talking about people "stealing" songs.

It is not theft, it is copyright infringement and should be treated less severely than theft. Even the founding fathers of America recognised this.

Theft involves you taking something from me. Infringing copyright does not leave me in the situation where something has been taken from me.

Example:
You steal a CD from a shop. The shop has lost the goods (it paid for the goods) AND it has lost the revenue it would have gotten from selling the CD (failure to gain).

You copy an album. No one has lost anything. All that has happened is a failure to gain (revenue).

Copyright infringement should not be viewed as seriously as theft.

<edit>Just read some of the comments on the Beeb site. Some people are so stupid! Someone says CD sales are down, this must be because of music sharing. He thinks nothing of the fact that the RIAA decreased production significantly just before the whole music sharing gig really took off. Any figures have been intentionally massaged:rolleyes:</edit>

dendenz

Kaaza users I'd say will be targeted first. Its a pain in the bollocks tbh, we pay ove rthe odds for albums anyways

BigEejit

There was a discussion on slashdot about this and some people mentioned that there is a proggie in the works that allows file sharing without identifying IP addresses ... cant find the flippin thing now though:rolleyes: ...

Newest version of kazaalite (or K++, dunno which) blocks known RIAA ip ranges, think I saw something about a plugin that gets updated with new RIAA address ranges too...

weemcd

i wouldnt pay, anyway it'l never happen, and im underage- my parents could argue they didn't know (but i do have an mp3 player!)

Lump

I think its terrible about the music thing.... to be honest, what about all the pron, dodgy software, ftp's etc etc etc, aswell as all the dodgy copied games in car boot sales, the stolen fagas on sale on the streets for fúck nothing...... aswell as all the other crime in the country. I think it'll be a while before it comes to ireland. Since the laws in Ireland regarding copyright state that you can copy, once its for your own use. Unless its changed recently.



John

nesthead

Whats funny is in years to come it wont be the RIAA complaining about downloading songs, but Hollywood complaining about the download of full length films, which i know is already happening BUT in the time it takes us to download a song.

i think the people who are really losing in the p2p thingy are the small pc software companies who have been screwed over by warez versions of thier programs, making it even easier for monkeys to get their hands on the stuff. Plus the pron industry, but no-one has sympathy for them.

Pigman II

That whole article smells more of an exercise in scaremongering rather than anything concrete that will be inforced against us in the near future.

Also is this incorrect? ....

admitted to uploading several hundred songs from the internet.

ie don't you 'upload TO' and 'download FROM'? A basic technical-jargon error that even I picked up on which makes me feel the whole article is just a lot of unresearched, quickly-cobbled-together blather about nothing.

Caesar_Bojangle

Most of the songs i actually downloaded i went out to buy the album after. So i say balls to this law.

monument

Originally posted by Silent Bob
It seriously ticks me off to hear the RIAA talking about people "stealing" songs.

It is not theft, it is copyright infringement and should be treated less severely than theft. Even the founding fathers of America recognised this.

Theft involves you taking something from me. Infringing copyright does not leave me in the situation where something has been taken from me.

Example:
You steal a CD from a shop. The shop has lost the goods (it paid for the goods) AND it has lost the revenue it would have gotten from selling the CD (failure to gain).

You copy an album. No one has lost anything. All that has happened is a failure to gain (revenue).

Copyright infringement should not be viewed as seriously as theft.

<edit>Just read some of the comments on the Beeb site. Some people are so stupid! Someone says CD sales are down, this must be because of music sharing. He thinks nothing of the fact that the RIAA decreased production significantly just before the whole music sharing gig really took off. Any figures have been intentionally massaged:rolleyes:</edit>

It SERIOUSLY ticks me off to hear anyone calling theft any thing but theft

Stop ranting, it is theft.

By coping music (or photos, art/design, software, computer games, TV programs, films, books etc…) you’re taking something, you’re taking intellectual property. You’re also taking some ones source of income.

Some people make their living from real things you can pick up and others make it from things like writing or recording music – how can you say it’s more or less wrong to steal from one or the other?

Have to agree with monument there. No matter how you look at it, it's stealing.


That said I'm gonna be downloading songs for as long as I can .

ella minnow pea

so we can record songs off the radio, but not download? Oh, coz it's TOTALLY different....

I'd be willing to buy downloadable albums for €3,€4 etc, if i knew the money was going directly to the artist, not sony/bmg/hmv....i'm sure they get less than this for most commercial cds anyway....and what do cds cost now?? €22?? tis a joke

sci0x

It sounds more like an act of desperation by the music industry to stop making ppl downloading music. It will be interesting to see how many people they catch but i seriosuly doubt they will actually do anything tbh. Sure everyone downloads music. They could walk into a home, accuse the family of downloading music and see will the teenager who spends all of his time on the net give in. All they have to do is look for the homes with the big internet bills.

bizmark

lol

come on its hardly going to work ......Even if they could find every one in the world that shears files and fine them (which is unlikely) some smart person will come along and make a brand new p2p network that will take a few more year,s to "break" so on and so on

they though they beat napster and with them file shareing how wrong they where

tribble

Since the laws in Ireland regarding copyright state that you can copy, once its for your own use. Unless its changed recently.

ahmmmm, where does it say that?
What you refer to is known as 'fair use' legislation and AFAIK there is no such law in ireland - France, however, I know has.

tribble

Originally posted by ella minnow pea
so we can record songs off the radio, but not download? Oh, coz it's TOTALLY different....

Actually afaik, it is technically illegal to tape songs from the radio. The stations pay licences to play the music, so no, its not ok to tape music from the radio as it is the same as downloading music from the net.

Lump

All I'll say is Digital Radio.....


Look if they stop you downloading from the net well then ya fire up your digital radio, connect it to your pc/analog (1 speed) cd writer Bobs yer uncle. I'm not trying to invent ways to copy music. But If recording from the radio is ok, well then tough ****. If I couldnt download the music, I wouldnt go out and buy it. I'd just listen to the radio all the time. I was talking to my friend last night that works in a music shop. Now 55 is 28.99...... there is a 45 percent markup on it, from the price that the music shop buys it in at. If the music shops are going to be greedy well then **** them. I dont think people would have a problem if we could buy cd's direct from sony etc, for 10 euro.


Bla...... rant over.



John

elexes

give the law 2 weeks then some judge will be paid off and say its against the constitution in some way shape or form .

Silent Bob

Originally posted by monument
It SERIOUSLY ticks me off to hear anyone calling theft any thing but theft

Stop ranting, it is theft.

By coping music (or photos, art/design, software, computer games, TV programs, films, books etc…) you’re taking something, you’re taking intellectual property. You’re also taking some ones source of income.

Some people make their living from real things you can pick up and others make it from things like writing or recording music – how can you say it’s more or less wrong to steal from one or the other?

I don't condone copyright infringement, but call a spade a spade.

A number of years ago, the U.S. Supreme Court dealt with a man named Dowling, who sold "pirated" Elvis Presley recordings, and was prosecuted for the Interstate Transportation of Stolen Property. The Supremes did not condone his actions, but did make it clear that it was not "theft" -- but technically "infringement" of the copyright of the Presley estate, and therefore copyright law, and not anti-theft statutes, had to be invoked.

link

In the eyes of the law (and I think we really should care what the law thinks about subjects such as this) copyright infringement is not theft. Your personal opinion on the matter is irrelevant.

sceptre

Originally posted by tribble
ahmmmm, where does it say that?
What you refer to is known as 'fair use' legislation and AFAIK there is no such law in ireland - France, however, I know has.

tribble

Tribble is correct. No "Fair use" legislation in Ireland or the UK.

There's a provision for making copies of academic articles and small sections of books for personal use. And quoting limited passages for review purposes or using small sections of footage for news reporting. That's all.