Help to prevent Child Porn

77horses

Give us a hand and visit http://www.childrenaware.com
If you think you can help some how... please drop me a message.

There is a lot of work to do...
if you have a website
if you are a parent
if you are a business man...
what ever, when ever...
Please help.
Is a nice idea that can save pain and lifes...

Children Aware

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Putting this in afterhours to let it get more views.

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Shinji

Decent site that - but I'd REALLY like to see the 1999 study you make reference to at the top of the frontpage. It sounds like utter scaremongering tripe (and four years out of date at that), to be honest, and it unfortunately immediately gave me the impression that your site was going to be another bloody Carol Vorderman The Internet Is Full Of Evil People Who Want To Eat Your Childs Kidneys site with little real information. Which it isn't, but you're giving people the wrong impression there....

elexes

nice site . ill bookmark that in work tis amazing the crap i find on ppls computers

weemcd

kids should have more sense to meet up with people. and the parents should take more intrest.

DerekD Goldfish

"wont somebody please think of the children?"

weemcd

this is no joke, what if your sister our cousin, or neice went onto those chat rooms with pedos

daveg

Originally posted by weemcd
this is no joke, what if your sister our cousin, or neice went onto those chat rooms with pedos

Indeed it is not a joke. Those fúckers should be put to death straight away. No trial... straight to execution.

Fair fúcks to you 77horses. Best of luck with the website.

Shinji

Indeed it is not a joke. Those fúckers should be put to death straight away. No trial... straight to execution.

Oh christ, not THIS again.... :rolleyes:

Funky

kill maim burn

/me dribbles

Lemming

Originally posted by weemcd
this is no joke, what if your sister our cousin, or neice went onto those chat rooms with pedos

What if your sister or cousin or niece stepped outside the front door of the house ......

the internet is no more dangerous than the street. In many ways it's safer, but parent's aren't taking an interest in what their kids are doing online. The exact same way that parents aren't taking an interest in what their kids are doing outside in the streets and thus possibly getting into serious trouble with the law, etc.

Kone

I agree with Lemming. Parents are not taking an interest, fullstop!

For example Did anyone read that article in the Herald where some lil punk pissed on a guy's doorstep, in broad daylight, in front of lots of other ppl!

Kids these days!

Tha Gopher

^^^^^^
I did that when I was about five.I swear, I thought the house was derelict:D
TBH far more kids have been attacked by the old man in the mac with the puppies in the park than those they meet on the internet.

And did anybody else ever notice that for whatever reason people on the boards seem to be more against swift,brutal vigilante revenge than the general population?:D

de5p0i1er

Originally posted by daveg
Indeed it is not a joke. Those fúckers should be put to death straight away. No trial... straight to execution.

Fair fúcks to you 77horses. Best of luck with the website.

I agree with the death sentence, as long as it done in the most painful way possible.
Hope the site goes well.

monument

I’d have to agree with Lemming. But it’s even harder for parents to know what their children are doing online. On this matter the most sensible advice I’ve ever heard is to keep the computer in the living room.

DeVore

Originally posted by Tha Gopher
^^^^^^
TBH far more kids have been attacked by the old man in the mac with the puppies in the park than those they meet on the internet.

No far more kids are abused by their parents or a close relative. Comparatively a miniscule fraction are abused by strangers.
Regardless how they meet them.

And did anybody else ever notice that for whatever reason people on the boards seem to be more against swift,brutal vigilante revenge than the general population?:D

Maybe we think more.

As someone who has actually taken some actual proactive action (rather then just writing here how they should be strung up... Nice, I'm glad you are always right cos I'd REALLY hate to see you make a mistake like...) let me tell you that even the consumers of paedophilia on the net mostly source their material from people who are abusing their own kids or close relatives or neighbours kids.

Of course its much easier to just form a rabble and blame the internet.

Ignorance is a disease. Information is the cure.

DeV.

ps: my tone isnt aimed at the people who run that site. In fact I'm delighted to see them do it... I think they just saved me a ton of work

bizmark

Of course its much easier to just form a rabble and blame the internet.

aye those people that attack something just because they dont understand it are truely idoit,s


It,s good people are trying to protech kid,s on the net from the 1% of the evil basturds out their trying to take advanage of the very young ...............But im a firm bleaver that its the Pearants that should watch what is happening i mean how hard is it to watch your 10 year old when useing that large humming box in the room???

And when something goes worng not have small minded people that live in a time warp try and have every one that use,s the internet classed as a child stalking weirdo...... the cause could be a lot closer to home than the great unwashed


btw this isnt aimed at that site its just a general rant

koneko

If someone I knew had kiddie porn on their PC I'd report them. We all should. It's sickening. But the real bad guys are indeed the people putting this stuff out there. For every site/guy they take down another pops back up

It's happening far too much. Good work on the site 77horses, keep it up.

Shinji

If someone I knew had kiddie porn on their PC I'd report them. We all should.

Should we now? I know that if I discovered a friend of mine has child porn on his PC, I wouldn't report him. I'd insist that he went to seek counselling and psychiatric help, and would hold the threat of reporting him over him in order to ensure that he did so.

But I don't really believe in abandoning someone to be demonised and imprisoned for something in their personality that they didn't choose and can't do much about. I don't believe that our legal system is capable of dealing with paedophiles at present, although that said it's a damn sight better at it that the utterly disgusting individuals posting on this thread about "painful" death sentences and so on would be... Ignorant, reactionary thinking like that has damaged more lives than paedophiles ever will.

koneko

Oh it would depend on who we're talking about. I realised I should have phrased that differently, I mainly meant it in reference to those people that are caught with the material on their PCs/houses by other people (not their close friends or relatives), like the PC repair guy. If it's someone you know with anything it's best to talk first and get people into counselling/treatment. I just mean people shouldn't turn a blind eye and pretend they didn't see it, which unfortunately does happen. Deal with it in some way, instead of ignoring it.

I agree with what you said on the death penalty reactions here. As sickening as child pornography and abuse are, punishment by death is no solution. Can't see how anyone would think it's any way to fix any problem.

Do people in prison because of paedophilia/etc here get any treatment or evaluation at all? Surely it wouldn't make sense not to. Perhaps I was just under that impression because it's slightly different on the continent (where I'm from).

elexes

i dont think that quick decisive action should be taken in cases like these cause the person could very well be innocent . draging the case over 2 years should make it a bit more carefull . then after that release the guy/girl into general prisions when the other inmates know what the guy done


should make a gud tv show

weemcd

i think you should be 12 or older to use a chat room. ps. how young does is it have to be child porn? is 17 too young. i mean look at porn on your computer if you have it, are all the girls definatley over 18?

yellum

Originally posted by Shinji
Should we now? I know that if I discovered a friend of mine has child porn on his PC, I wouldn't report him.

I'd insist that he went to seek counselling and psychiatric help, and would hold the threat of reporting him over him in order to ensure that he did so.

And if he didn't, would you report him then ?

arloeisenberg

shinji, there's always a choice. the person mightend to able to choose having those feelings, but he can choose what he does with them.

ie: rape a child or get some help.

Mercury_Tilt

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77horses

The first step to fix a problem is to start talking about it.

Corega

Originally posted by daveg
Those fúckers should be put to death straight away. No trial... straight to execution.

Presuming that you have never been a victim of child abuse/pornography yourself I find it hard to believe that you can take that type of attitude. I was a victim of child abuse at the age of 7, I didn't know what was happening at the time, and it took me quite some time to figure it out, as it happens I wasn't abused by a stranger, but by my next-door neightbour, someone I trusted for some time.

Parents are not taking an interest, fullstop!

Well I can understand that maybe for kids using the internet and chat rooms parents are taking very little interest...when it happened to me though, my old man flew back from the middle east and told the fu<ker that if he did it again he'd kill him, my grandmother did the same thing, bless.

Am I mad about it? Not really, I accept that these things happen and as an individual I prefer looking towards the future and brighter happenings. I don't much like discussing it with my mates, in fact there's only about 4 people who know about it. I don't mind telling you lot cos I don't deal with you on an everyday basis. What would I do to the bloke who abused me? If I saw him on the street I'd paralyse him...at the very least.

weemcd

thank **** no kiddies even know about IRC. i watched this thing on tv, and this girl talked about how she knew all about chatrooms but her ma didn't. All she said was what a few abreviations meant, and then she said she was safe. it that kind of stupidity that gets things like that to happen.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.hotline.ie
The Hotline enables you to report any instances of child pornography in a secure and confidential environment. (HTTPS)

Click on the report online option...
Aso has links to other European sites.


From LEGAL ...
"it is illegal for anyone to knowingly possess child pornography. It is also illegal to knowingly distribute, print, publish, import, export, manufacture "

CuLT

Originally posted by koneko

As sickening as child pornography and abuse are, punishment by death is no solution. Can't see how anyone would think it's any way to fix any problem.

I can see why people would think it's a good way to deal with it, "if you do this, you will die" . Just saying that I can quite clearly see their point of view.

Shinji

how young does is it have to be child porn?

Technically, anything under 18 is child porn in most western countries.

That's one of the vaguely screwed up things about our paedophilia laws - they don't actually just cover paedophilia, and they get confused all too often with the offence of statutory rape.

Paedophila is attraction to children - pre-pubescent and pubescent young people. However a lot of cases recently have incorrectly labelled people as paedophiles for having sex with or viewing pornography of post-pubescent minors. That's not paedophilia, it's statutory rape, and is arguably a far less serious crime.

The case of Jonathan King is a perfect example - the man used his position in the music industry to have sex with teenage boys aged from 14 to 16 (and older, but it's not illegal when they're older). When he was busted, the papers labelled him a paedophile - now the fact is that the man is an utter, utter scumbag, but he's not a paedophile. That's a label he'll carry for the rest of his life, though.

shinji, there's always a choice. the person mightend to able to choose having those feelings, but he can choose what he does with them.

No shit. That's roughly what I was saying as well. The thing is, if you're attracted to children, you're a paedophile - even if you do NOTHING about it. If you posess pornography of children (even just naked pictures - not all child pornography constitutes physical child abuse), you're a paedophile and a sex offender. If you rape a child, then you're a paedophile and a sex offender.

In the first two instances, I've got a lot of sympathy for the people involved - which is why I'd try and get someone to seek help rather than turning them in to the rather heavy-handed mercies of our justice system. Of course, once you actually abuse a child, that's an unforgivable offence. You can understand WHY it happens on a psychological level but it's still utterly, utterly inexcusable, and people who actually abuse children should be dealt with with the full harshness of the law (albeit that that's not the same as what some of our reactionary pals on this thread would advocate).

As for Yellum's question... I honestly don't know, and it would depend a lot on circumstances. It's a judgement call I hope I never, ever have to make, and would involve weighing up a hell of a lot of things. If I thought someone was actually a danger to kids, even if they were a close friend, I'd turn them in, because that's the right thing to do both in general AND for that person. Deciding for myself whether I believed that, however, would be a very difficult decision.

weemcd

you've done your research!!!

77horses

If you guys have a site, or want to help some how... great. I do not have so much time to put banner in the net, create new tools or put content.

Now you can help only by register in the site.
My idea is to get as many people register as possible to make like a good comunity of people that Supports the anti child porn movement.

Thanks all for your comments.


Cheers...


Children Aware.com

Capt'n Midnight

Apologies if this sounds like a RANT - but in many cases do-gooders are not the solution especially if they don't have the time and divert people away from childcare agencies ... & there are other ways of organising a petition...

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I see way too much of this CRAP on US sites where someone setups a site as if it was the central sorting agency for a particular issue - it just confuses people who are looking for authoritive information or who want to do something about the problem.

So 77Horses if you want to convince me you are not part of the problem....

Who is behind it - individual or organisation ?
Why does it still not have a link to the national hotline ??????
Where is the ABOUT US page ??

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What is the purpose of this site ?
a) Email harvesting / Protection Software sales ?

b) vanity project ?
if so it is not being updated regularly enough
if you can't update on a regular basis at the very least do some research - ie contact childrens organisations - link to their sites - ask them which pamplets or advice to publish...
this has lots of UK / US links - looks like a hour or two googling - any muppet could do that - children deserve more
and I doubt Carol V has agreeded to her image being used - software downloads (author unknown - huh? - warez ??)

c) to hide www.hotline.ie - to gather names of the opposition ?
What is the "REPORT CHILD PORN" button for ??
more importantly - where is it intended to go ???

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It's a PHP-Nuke site so almost anyone could have thrown it together..

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Domain Name: CHILDRENAWARE.COM
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: NS.BLACKNIGHTSOLUTIONS.COM
Name Server: NS2.BLACKNIGHTSOLUTIONS.COM
Creation Date: 04-jun-2003


Convince me, My edit button is over there,

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BuffyBot

Originally posted by 77horses
Children Aware.com

I can't actually see anything on this site that would "prevent" child porn. All it seems to do is say "child porn bad" which is about as much use in preventing this activity as a waterproof tea-bag. IMHO, of course

77horses

So 77Horses if you want to convince me you are not part of the problem....


"Thanks Capitan... but I do not really NEED to convince you ..."


Who is behind it - individual or organisation ?
Why does it still not have a link to the national hotline ??????
Where is the ABOUT US page ??

"The idea is clear to try to provide clear info to help prevent this issue"

The link will be posted soon. I was talking yesterday to Paul Durrant General Manager of Hotline.ie

vanity project ?

"Not really"

if you can't update on a regular basis at the very least do some research - ie contact childrens organisations - link to their sites - ask them which pamplets or advice to publish...

"I'm already in contact with them.
Thanks for the advice anyway"

to hide www.hotline.ie - to gather names of the opposition ?
What is the "REPORT CHILD PORN" button for ??
more importantly - where is it intended to go ???

"I'm hiding. It will be posted after a meeting with Hotline Manager.
The report the Child Porn will go to a Form that will be send to the Garda.
I already spoke with them. Thanks for the comment anyway"

It's a PHP-Nuke site so almost anyone could have thrown it together..


"Yes. Is true"

Domain Name: CHILDRENAWARE.COM
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: NS.BLACKNIGHTSOLUTIONS.COM
Name Server: NS2.BLACKNIGHTSOLUTIONS.COM
Creation Date: 04-jun-2003

"I love when people uses whois funtion... weel done"


Apologies if this sounds like a RANT

"Don't worry. Interesting questions. Thanks for asking"


Sorry for not having the site 100% ready mate. Is only one week. But aparrently the RANT is me.... not you.... isn't?

77horses

"I see way too much of this CRAP on US sites where someone setups a site as if it was the central sorting agency for a particular issue - it just confuses people who are looking for authoritive information or who want to do something about the problem.

So 77Horses if you want to convince me you are not part of the problem...."

My Reply: I'm quite a calm guy, and I take any comment like that in the positive way. Childrenaware is doesn't pretend to be a central sorting agency. I do not think the site at the moment "confuses" people. Are you confused? .
I really think that the last person to be part of the problem is me. But anyway if you say so may be I'm part of the problem.

Any advices how to help, improve the site?
Do you want to help?
Do you have free time to spare in the site?
do you have any tools, links?

I preffer people that can actually help...
any way. Great to reado your comments, makes me realize that the site has to be more serious. I had only been working on it 1 week. I will dedicate more time during this weekend.
Sorry for any inconvinience.

Capitan... have a nice day....

Regards,

77horses

If you want to discuss any comments by the phone. send me a PM

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84736&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

IMHO - You still need the link to www.hotline.ie

I think it's much better to direct the report button to their site.
The legal / moral issues of your site leaking information or the consequences of not reporting information to the correct authorities correctly and timely are just not worth the hassle of trying to replicate thier site.

Also since the site is hosted in Ireland this means the Guards can get a warrent to look at the data - or does it - can they confiscate the server - with other web sites besides yours too ?? (does anyone have a definitive answer to this) Have you thought about the Data protection act from both angles... sometimes you have to protect data (eg: mailing list) from overzealous authorities...

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If you are using this as a portal site and make it quite clear whether is done by a recognised child care agency or affiliated to or approved by one or not etc. then great !

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Broken links on your site. - try these

http://www.garda.ie/angarda/offensive.html - ( which was ripped from - https://www.hotline.ie/html02/reportem.htm )
http://www.ncte.ie/internetsafety/ Be Wise on the Net
http://www.iab.ie/ (but you probably share my views on the effeciveness of self-regulation by the main Irish ISP's)

Legal stuff
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZA22Y1998.html
"child" means a person under the age of 17 years;
...relates to a person who is or is depicted as being a child .....

Just in case anyone out there has any confusion - while the law might state
..shall not apply to a person who possesses child pornography— ...
(b) for the purpose of the prevention, investigation or prosecution of offences under this Act....
this basically applies to Forensic Specialists / Guards in the course of thier duty - recent convictions show it most definitely does not apply to celebrity chef's or guards not involved in those sort of cases or other members of the public, so if anyone wants to go down that road it would probably be advisable to get written approval from the police...

Note: most of the above sites are state copyright so you'd have to link to them - maybe frames ?

Note: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZA22Y1998S9.html - am still not sure of the impliations of this wrt to ISP's and corportate email / intenet access .. - anyone know the answer to that ???

general cyber laws
http://www.ispai.ie/legislation.html

You could do worse than rip this off (or link to perhaps)
http://www.family-initiatives.org/Who.htm
"Family Initiatives is a non-profit organisation (applying to the Revenue Commissioners for charitable status) seeking to resource and strengthen Irish families, helping parents with the challenges of parenting, and helping children and teens to understand the issues affecting their lives."

eh - no I have not checked if they are kosher (SP) or not - but they do have contact details

https://www.hotline.ie/html02/repo.htm
You can contact the hotline by telephone 24 hours a day on 1890 610 710 or by fax - but make sure you have the details to hand

Capt'n Midnight

Went to http://www.childrenaware.com to see what 77horses has done .....

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Attached image is from the site ( click through for myjobs etc)

Capt'n Midnight

In fairness it might have been a hosting problem.

However, it still has not had any links updated/added....
(eg: main story is still July 16th - Picture of US cop)

Syth

Hang on, I'm a little confused... As far as I know the legal age for sex is 16 (please correct me f I'm wrong), but in the 'child' in child pornography is defined as someone under 17.

"child" means a person under the age of 17 years;

So someone who's 16 can have sex, but if they were to take a picture of themselves. they'd technically be possising child porn?! Am I right about the 16 age limit, or is the law an ass.