The Matrix : Explained

Jim · 08-07-2003 12:44pm #1

came across this and thought id give it an ole post.since the huge debate and many threads on the matrix and what happened in the end etc....

this explanation was written by a kraut,so it must be good.

jim

[sorry if it/something similar has been posted before]

EvilGeorge · 08-07-2003 12:58pm

Wow this is good, one of the ideas we had come up with but with a lot more detail.

Carnate · 08-07-2003 1:04pm

very good link.

Answers some of the questions, i had wondered about.

Thx for that

Sarky · 08-07-2003 1:08pm

Throws up a lot of interesting points all right. God only knows if it's on the money or not, though it certainly could be.

Mr E · 08-07-2003 1:11pm

Very good read.....

Thanks!

- Dave.

Kalina · 08-07-2003 2:10pm

Excellent piece of information, I was a bit confused after seeing Reloaded, especially about the architect and that French guy. I get it now, well some of it at least.

patch · 08-07-2003 2:19pm

And the critic's said it was all mindless crap.....

ps. I wonder if that dude could explain Charlies Angels 2 to me

Beëlzebooze · 08-07-2003 3:06pm

could he have used a smaller font? FFS, I look like an old fogey using the magnifier

seamus · 08-07-2003 3:11pm

Some people have far too much time on their hands (and a worn out pause button on their DVD player) :rolleyes:

I disagree with him in parts, where he's made some minor errors, but some interesting factoids he's pointed out - 101 for example.

tman · 08-07-2003 5:55pm

pretty good read, the agent smith bit is fairly iffy...

oh yeah;

Who is Seraph?
The reason Seraph (the chink guy Neo meets before meeting the Oracle)

:rolleyes:

Karl Hungus · 08-07-2003 7:19pm

Somehow I get the feeling that Neo being 'the one' is all in his own matrix. His delusion to keep him safely subdued.

Kai · 08-07-2003 7:29pm

Link doesnt seem to work, goes to a page with nothing about the matrix on it.

tman · 08-07-2003 7:55pm

http://forum.macnews.de/forum/show?mid=96898.6935.4839&s=h6ZuaOTrxJ

works fine for me...
it's about reloaded btw, not the first matrix.
steer well cleear if you haven't seen reloaded yet (as if:rolleyes: )

Jim · 08-07-2003 8:56pm

Originally posted by tman
the chink guy neo meets:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Jimeatsmenu
written by a kraut

great minds think alike i suppose :rolleyes:

Funky · 08-07-2003 11:13pm

nice link , the agent smith bit is dodgy but clever

Drongo · 10-07-2003 12:32pm

He really seems to be reaching with the 101 stuff. I would have put that down to a reference to 1984, especially since that deals with some similar ideas to the Matrix.

weemcd · 10-07-2003 6:05pm

i remember asking about room 101 and noone answering me, but i cant find the quote,

feylya · 10-07-2003 6:18pm

Interesting.

Sticky · 10-07-2003 6:20pm

Seems to be a cut and paste from various other boards etc.

The most interesting theory I have seen which he doesn't cover is that the last scene of the Matrix 1 (Neo on the payphone) is chronologicly after the end of Matrix Reloaded. Can't remember the URL though.

ferdi · 10-07-2003 6:29pm

i'd love it if in the third movie, reeves just wakes up....it was all a dream.

it would destroy all the matrix-nerds lives:D

Caesar_Bojangle · 10-07-2003 9:34pm

If anyone bought this months Empire, they have a question page devoted to the matrix and it kind of explains what happened in it

Asuka · 10-07-2003 11:39pm

From that link:

How is Neo able to figure out that
he is able to stop the sentinels in Zion near the end of the film? The spoon given to him earlier. It had obviously been bent loads, but how outside the Matrix?? This gave Neo the inspiration and the understanding that Zion is still a matrix.

Thats as far as I got with that page before deciding it was a load of speulative bollocks and not wasting my time with the rest of it.

Its simply making assumptions just the same as everyone else, and then spewing them out like theyre the Definitive Matrix Gospel.

A

BKtje · 11-07-2003 9:03am

wil be funny to see how accurate it is (and others) when the third part of the movie is released

Saruman · 11-07-2003 9:29am

Some obvious errors here but also mostly good points. I like it.

Raz · 11-07-2003 4:49pm

Originally posted by Asuka

How is Neo able to figure out that
he is able to stop the sentinels in Zion near the end of the film? The spoon given to him earlier. It had obviously been bent loads, but how outside the Matrix?? This gave Neo the inspiration and the understanding that Zion is still a matrix.

Thats as far as I got with that page before deciding it was a load of speulative bollocks and not wasting my time with the rest of it.

A like mind!
What rubbish! The spoon hadn't been bent loads, it had just been made by a child outta raw metal. (Look at it next time you see it)
If you didn't understand that film on the first go I'm sorry for you, but it's not that complex. There were things I missed when I saw it for the first time but that was due to the amount of stuff happening and getting far too caught up in the fighting.
It's a great film but not much of a mental challange.
Plus everybody has speculated that the real world is another matrix. That's not news to anyone.

Raz · 11-07-2003 5:09pm

I just read through some more of that cos I felt bad for knocking it without reading most of it.
Guess what.... More rubbish!!!
That whole bit with the 101 thing, really now.... You can't look at that and say "this guy knows what he's talking about". That's a person who doesn't know what they are talking about trying to sound like they do.

3.14 is pi to
three sig. figs., or the number of radians in half a circle. Half a circle
is like the cross-section of a womb, similar to the alcove of Neo and
Trinity's love scene - conceiving the next One?

Oh please.

as
a virus, Smith has the ability to "inherit" other programs' abilities and
thus inherited some of Neo's.

Since when did Neo ever have the ability to multiply himself???

AccckkkkkK!!!! I can't take any more of this rubbish.

STaN · 11-07-2003 5:23pm

Originally posted by Raz
I just read through some more of that cos I felt bad for knocking it without reading most of it.
Guess what.... More rubbish!!!
That whole bit with the 101 thing, really now.... You can't look at that and say "this guy knows what he's talking about". That's a person who doesn't know what they are talking about trying to sound like they do.
Oh please. Since when did Neo ever have the ability to multiply himself???

AccckkkkkK!!!! I can't take any more of this rubbish.

I'd love to hear Raz's explanation for the sentianls or see him write a similar web page.

And in case you can't read... neo never replicated himself, but smith inherited some of neo's abilities. He is a free computer program

weemcd · 11-07-2003 5:49pm

alot of bull****, and he just wrote the first thing that came into his head about 101. I think like ferdi we should say what we think will happen. I think neo and smith will kill each other and then the matrix will almost break down like at the end of final flight of the osiris, and everything will become digitised and the matrix reboots.

anyway i agree that trinity and morpheus are programs, cos in the game the oracle says the path of the one is made by the many. I think Persephone used to be morivingian's trinity and she faced deletion. Also in the game there is a guy who says "72 hours thats how long zion lasted last time", then niobie asks him who is he and he says "just an observer" i think he was a "one" aswell. he fetures in revolutions

his theory on ai and the disk he gives to the hacker in the first film, is fascinating, and in the revolutions it shows a night club.

tell me what you think about what i said.

Jim · 11-07-2003 9:54pm

Originally posted by Raz

Oh please. Since when did Neo ever have the ability to multiply himself???

AccckkkkkK!!!! I can't take any more of this rubbish.

well actually smith did say that he felt like a part of neo had been copied onto him.

before you jump on me im not necessarily tryin to defend the kraut.only posted it cause i thought it made interesting reading.i agree with some of his points and disagree with other.

on the whole "101" thing and pie etc..i think he is right.most directors do put alot of thought into numerical pressence in there films.most films you'll find things happen in three's.

weemcd · 11-07-2003 10:13pm

is room 101 a bermuda triangle type thing a black hole or something?? there used to be a show were you put things you hate into the void that is room 101 and they wouldn't return. in the animatrix one room is 202- weird

Asuka · 12-07-2003 9:15am

I cant remember which book it was (1984, perhaps?), but there was a book which featured the idea of Room 101 - a place where all the useless items in the world were put. Ive always thought of it as Pandora's Box in reverse

A

Winters · 12-07-2003 11:44am

Originally posted by STaN
And in case you can't read... neo never replicated himself, but smith inherited some of neo's abilities. He is a free computer program

Neo never replicated himself possibly because he didnt know/ does not know how to. The Program One only transfers onto the next person by copying itself onto that person so Neo does have the power to copy himself but as i said he possibly just doesnt know how to yet. I think that we still have not really seen the full powers of the One's program. When Neo was bringing Trinity back to life did he know he could do it or was he just trying to do it as she did bring him back to life?

Smith is possibly able to copy himself as when to got some of Neo's powers he discovered how to use them to his fullist advantages and manipulate them to help him. Possibly if Neo could discover how to copy himself (Copy The One program) then he could save the human race. Either way, Smith will probably play a large part in the next one in November

weemcd · 12-07-2003 6:13pm

in the revolutions trailer, does it show smith and neo fighting, with smith and neo clones in the background? ive only seen it once.

mcgarnicle · 13-07-2003 2:11pm

I wont pretend to be a Matrix expert but i have seen a few interviews with Reeves where he says that "we are all the one". maybe this means that Neo does learn how to pass on his skills or clone himself making a type of Neo army

GIME · 13-07-2003 4:14pm

Totally unrelated but i must know one thing. Will the Virus Twins return. They didnt die. While they blew up in mid air they turned tranparent thus preventing them from being harmed. They must have survived but ive heard nothing about them in revolutions, no pics or anything.

I saw a pure white person for a sec in both revolution trailers but i cant tell who or what it is.

Pigman II · 13-07-2003 5:00pm

Originally posted by mcgarnicle
I wont pretend to be a Matrix expert but i have seen a few interviews with Reeves where he says that "we are all the one". maybe this means that Neo does learn how to pass on his skills or clone himself making a type of Neo army

Speculation : Perhaps by that Reeves means that everyone who becomes concious that 'theres something wrong in their lives' leaves (as Neo did in Matrix 1) but also becomes 'the one' in whatever reality the escape to. After all everyones always the hero when they play a computer game, arent they? Similarly perhaps everyone is 'playing' their own particular version of the matrix in which they 'natually' are the star.

For this to be so it would mean a person leaving the matrix would simply be escaping into another program rather than the 'real world' as we have been told. That would also tie into the idea that Morpheus/Trinity/Zion and everything else aren't real either.

Finally Jimmyeatsmenu I don't know if you meant what I think you meant (if not then it doesn't matter) but Tman didn't use the word 'chink' in any offensive way from what I can tell. The macnews 'explaination' has Seraph described as a 'chink' within it's very text. Perhaps that very fact should indicate how much time and respect we should be giving to it's hypothesis's and author in the first place?

mcgarnicle · 13-07-2003 5:05pm

That could be it too. Maybe once someone starts looking for the answer of what is the matrix like neo does in the first movie the machines put them in their own little fantasy world where they are the hero. It makes sense allright, but remember that guy from the first movie? I cant remember his name but he was the evil dude that tried to kill them all from the ship. He prob wouldnt have been able to negotiate with the agent if he was just part of neos personnal matrix

Pigman II · 13-07-2003 5:10pm

Originally posted by mcgarnicle
That could be it too. Maybe once someone starts looking for the answer of what is the matrix like neo does in the first movie the machines put them in their own little fantasy world where they are the hero. It makes sense allright, but remember that guy from the first movie? I cant remember his name but he was the evil dude that tried to kill them all from the ship. He prob wouldnt have been able to negotiate with the agent if he was just part of neos personnal matrix

Could all just be material to convince the audience (and Neo himself of course) into thinking this new reality he's in is INDEED real and somehow comparible to the 'fake' world he just left.

Anyway it's just speculation.

weemcd · 13-07-2003 11:00pm

Originally posted by GIME
Totally unrelated but i must know one thing. Will the Virus Twins return. They didnt die. While they blew up in mid air they turned tranparent thus preventing them from being harmed. They must have survived but ive heard nothing about them in revolutions, no pics or anything.

I saw a pure white person for a sec in both revolution trailers but i cant tell who or what it is.

definatley, theyre in the revolutions trailer afik.

Drongo · 14-07-2003 2:11pm

Originally posted by weemcd
is room 101 a bermuda triangle type thing a black hole or something?? there used to be a show were you put things you hate into the void that is room 101 and they wouldn't return. in the animatrix one room is 202- weird

Room 101 is from 1984 (a book by George Orwell), in the book thought is policed and no one is free to express themselves (the Wachoski Bros borrowed a lot of ideas from the book). Room 101 itself is where people who committ thought crimes are sent, the room holds their greatest fear and they are tortured with it. Thats where the T.V. show got the idea - room 101 is where you put the things you hate.

weemcd · 14-07-2003 5:51pm

so the matrix confines neo there or something?

Asuka · 14-07-2003 5:55pm

Dont read into it too deeply

And never watch Evangelion or play Xenosaga

A

Jim · 14-07-2003 6:49pm

on the point of the smith neo thing.

smith is and always has been a virus.a fault in the programme.thats what distinguishs him from the other agents.thats why he can copy himself onto other people,because thats what a virus does.the reason he didnt in the first film?maybe theres programme which restricts the agents.keeps them connected and restricted to the matrix[represented by their ear piece].neos incident with smith at the end of the first film destroyed that programme in respect to smith.thus thats why smith says "he set me free"[thats why he gives his ear piece to neo.to represent he longer needs it]so in short neo destroyed norton.

the Wachoski Bros borrowed a lot of ideas from the book

imo they should be sued for copyright or something.the amount of ideas etc they "borrowed" is unbelieveable.but then again most storys and ideas these days are "borrowed".

weemcd · 14-07-2003 9:38pm

^ v. interesting, maybe well see in november

flogen · 14-07-2003 10:09pm

first may i say... SUPER-GEEK

secondly, may i become one for a moment, and say the following:
his theories are strong but not without holes. firstly, why is their a matrix inside a matrix? what possible use is this to either man or machine if in the real world both have an input into it (viruses etc) and so it is not a breeding ground for humans. I have a problem with this idea anyway, its far too Dallas for my liking.

the smith thing is dodgy, but all together its a good idea, if not a little fanatical.

But, I will just wait for the masters to show us the way, rather than just guess blindly, the fact is, it was a great cliffhanger of an ending to pt 2, and no-one can be 100% as to what will happen next.... brilliant

FLogen

Gordon · 14-07-2003 10:13pm

Flogen - did you once have a popin?

Drongo · 15-07-2003 12:07pm

Originally posted by Jimeatsmenu
imo they should be sued for copyright or something.the amount of ideas etc they "borrowed" is unbelieveable.but then again most storys and ideas these days are "borrowed". [/B]

yeah...well I was giving them the benifit of the doubt. Anyway the Matrix is much more action packed and shiner than 1984

loismustdie · 17-07-2003 9:51am

being john malcovich had brilliant potential and sounded great but i reckon it could have done with a few different approaches

sci0x · 12-08-2003 1:47am

Another good explanation site for Matrix is here

The Matrix : Explained

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