Zack Gowen

xx

Did anyone see his one-legged moonsault on smackdown??? Friggin' awesome :-)

Mossy Monk

not yet, i'm watching the repeat now.

anyway, will the WWE please get rid of him. the idea is gone stale

Washout

Think its completely wrong......

watched it and i was like WTF this is not rite!

xx

WAtched it again on Afterburn this morning. The moonsault was great, for a kid with one leg. But yiz are right in saying that it is a little on the sick side. Kind of makes me uncomfortable to watch him in the ring hopping along on one leg. There is definitely 'something' not right with it.

Belle Ende

Originally posted by xx
Did anyone see his one-legged moonsault on smackdown??? Friggin' awesome :-)

I was impressed. But it is a gimmick that should not last.

Putting aside political correctness, I watch to see fully able-bodied athletes fight in the ring. Just like dwarf matches, wrestling matches with significantly disabled people is not something I want to see regularly. That kinda sucks I know, but life ain't fair and I'm just being honest.

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ANOTHER point: Stephanie McMahon is much less annoying when she is a face character. Her voice is still like chalk on a blackboard, but at least the character is bearable when compared with 'evil' Steph.

cmb.

doesnt bother me but get rid of him becaude its boring - its just like womens wrestling - come see the people who can wrestle almost as good as men/fully abled - so what - its a gimmick with a very short shelf life and that has already exprired - after he gets his contract and vince goes off to his next angle/takes a sabatical what exactly does gowan do? another heel comes along and disses the one leged wonder - so zach takes him on and defies the odds by beating him/showing he can hang with a two legged man - and they chant boring at lance? go figure

xx

Originally posted by Belle Ende
ANOTHER point: Stephanie McMahon is much less annoying when she is a face character. Her voice is still like chalk on a blackboard, but at least the character is bearable when compared with 'evil' Steph.

I still think she's a total minx, either way.

Sean101

I pesonally thought it was amazing to see this kid, who has obviously gone thru alot of pain in his life, have his dream come true. How many of us can say that? And how many of us can do a moonsault - even with both legs?

Most of you seem to refer to him as a gimmick. I can see why, but its just like the rest of the wwe stories. I mean, look back on the wwf about 3 or 4 years ago and you will hardly recognise anyone.

Its a sport that constantly changes with the times to feed a hungry, but fickle audience. Unfortuantely, to do this, the wwe has made some god awfull decisions, such as clinging on to old wrestlers like Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair. I fear for those guys every time they enter the ring, thinking they're gona kill themselves with a simple manoeuver.

The likes of Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash etc, really should consider stepping down and letting new wrestlers in, creating fresh ideas for us, the crowd, the reason they wrestle.

Which brings me back to Zack. It wasnt "sick" or politically incorrect, or "wrong". Belle Ende, you say you watch to see fully able atheletes, not the handi-cap, Zack Gowen. Open your eyes! He displayed an enormous amount of athelethesism, and exceeded everyones expectations.

Your right, what you said sucked and you were being honest. But i have to say your view of life sucks just as bad. Life isnt ****, it can be fair and im sure many people told Zack the opposite after his accident, just like your telling us right now. But it wasnt me or you or the other people who replied to this thread who amazed everyone last thursday by achieving his goals.

Belle Ende

Originally posted by Sean101
I pesonally thought it was amazing to see this kid, who has obviously gone thru alot of pain in his life, have his dream come true. How many of us can say that? And how many of us can do a moonsault - even with both legs?

"It makes you think, doesn't it!"

Originally posted by Sean101
Which brings me back to Zack. It wasnt "sick" or politically incorrect, or "wrong".

Who said it was any of those things? What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Sean101
Belle Ende, you say you watch to see fully able atheletes, not the handi-cap, Zack Gowen.

Yep. My analogy is that as a casual follower of sports like boxing, soccer and tennis, I generally prefer seeing matches involving the pinnacle of speed, strength, skill, size etc. So that usually equates to preferring Heavyweight matches over Lightweight matches, it usually equates to preferring professional encounters to amateur events, and it usually equates to watching Premier league soccer fixtures over Division 3 matches. I'm far from alone on this point either, just consider the gate attendance figures of a Premier league side compared with a Division 3 side. It's not to the exclusion of lesser clubs/athletes/events, but the spotlight is most certainly dominated by the greater exponents of the particular fields/sports/whatever in question.

Originally posted by Sean101
Open your eyes! He displayed an enormous amount of athelethesism, and exceeded everyones expectations.

"Thanks! My eyes are opened! I am now enlightened."

Originally posted by Sean101
Your right, what you said sucked

Yes, to a slight degree. But I'm sure I'm far from alone on this point. I wonder if Zack Gowen himself would prefer watching a WWE roster featuring physically disabled, mentally handicapped athletes? Somehow I doubt it. Of course it would be great for the self esteem of the disabled athletes in question (and their close friends/families/helpers). I know that if such a WWE roster was in place, then the WWE would go out of business faster than you could blink. Harsh reality.

Originally posted by Sean101
But i have to say your view of life sucks just as bad. Life isnt ****, it can be fair and im sure many people told Zack the opposite after his accident, just like your telling us right now. But it wasnt me or you or the other people who replied to this thread who amazed everyone last thursday by achieving his goals.

Well we'll have to disagree on this life viewpoint thing here. My point of view is that life is not fair for everybody.

Thanks for the sermon. How's the view from up there on the moral high ground?

Cianan2

Zack worked one match with nwa-tna under the name tenacious z,and appareantly it was a brilliant match(got a standing ovation and all) and thats why the wwe signed him.

Nwa had no regrets in letting him go to the wwe,because it was his lifelong dream and they wanted the best for him,and vince obviously new this and got zack gowen.

I think wwe signed him because they thought they could use him as a buying power,people would tune in to see this one-legged guy fight every week,etc.

But bringing him into the mr.america story,i didnt like that. They made it seem like he was randomly chosen from the crowd to be Hulk hogans friend.

Sean101

Like I knew u would, you completely missed my point. Read thru the thread replies, you'll see my quotes stand. Dude, im not trying to verbally berate you, im trying to point out the good points life has to offer. Why do you have to throw it back in my face?

Look, im not gonna bother with you, cos i know your just going to try and turn what i say against me.

But in reply, the view is pretty good up here and i preach my so called "sermons" every nite in my little cult house on the south side if anybody is interested.

Dont let me stop you belle ende. Continue watching your premier league and your heavyweights where the spotlight shines brightest. Just dont complain when someone like Brock Lesnar and Kurt Angle, the pinnicale of speed etc., dont see the world the way you do and agree to share the spotlight.

cmb.

again - his couple of matches in tna were a great gimmick - to see it once or twice was interesting and for a one legged man it was amazing. for an average wrestler - esp of his size mundane - not sick, not uncomfortable becuse of some guilt that otheres seemto feel, just not worth my time on any regualr basis

ps - if its sick does that mean that kerry von eric/texas tornado et all were sick matches?

Belle Ende

Originally posted by Sean101
Like I knew u would, you completely missed my point. Read thru the thread replies, you'll see my quotes stand. Dude, im not trying to verbally berate you, im trying to point out the good points life has to offer. Why do you have to throw it back in my face?

Your stance of support for Zack/disabled athletes is positive and idealistic to a degree. That's good, but I suggest that such a stance has to be tempered by a bit more realism.

Originally posted by Sean101
Look, im not gonna bother with you, cos i know your just going to try and turn what i say against me.

Not going to bother, eh? And then you bother to reply! I love it.

Originally posted by Sean101
But in reply, the view is pretty good up here and i preach my so called "sermons" every nite in my little cult house on the south side if anybody is interested.

Cool!

Originally posted by Sean101
Dont let me stop you belle ende. Continue watching your premier league and your heavyweights where the spotlight shines brightest. Just dont complain when someone like Brock Lesnar and Kurt Angle, the pinnicale of speed etc., dont see the world the way you do and agree to share the spotlight.

If you are saying that what goes around comes around, and that my chance to shine in some future situation might well be dashed by some people smarter or stronger or better than me, well then c'est la vie. Life is like that for everyone - there are always people better than us. And as I have said before, life isn't fair (which apparently you now agree with) and knowing this, I won't complain.

And know that I said 'I GENERALLY prefer the pinnacle of whatever', and 'NOT to the EXCLUSION of lesser clubs/athletes/whatever'. So yeah, good suggestion - I'll continue to watch premiership soccer matches, and once in a while I'll watch the occasional lower league match.

de5p0i1er

Personally i don't like the way they exploit some disabled kid for raitings, I thought it was in poor taste to see a one legged kid getting tossed about and calling it entertainment.

xx

I wasn't aware that he actually did matches for nwa-tna. Still, swingin' moonsault all the same.

jongore

I disagree with de5p0i1er. Zach was not exploited, he got to live his dream and wrestle in front of thousands of fans and a world wide audience. I'm sure he was well payed for the privilige.

He took sone big bumps but he showed that he is an athlete. Drop kicks and a moonsault are not something that most people could do!

Just one more thing, fair dues to the Big Show for 'selling' Zach's moves.

Sposs

I Suppose you could be all "far play to him look at what he's able to do with one leg",but then again if you look at it realistically,what happens when Brock and Angle stop coming out to help him and the big show is pounding him to bits?

Everyone will just see him then for what he is! 'a cripple' and thats no disrespect,but he's had his moment now he should work behind the scenes or whatver or he'll end up hurt.

jongore

What did Spike do when the Big Show pounded on him?

Let's get this straight all these matches are choreographed and Zach is only at the same risk as any other superstar.

I wouldn't expect Zach to be cruiserweight champ or anything but I can admire the kid for doing something that I can't do with all my limbs intact.

But.. I don't expect this angle to last much more then another couple of months and it gives the 'Heel' characters a real chance to get over by picking on the 'poor crippled boy'.

bizmark

i love this about our stupid pc world

every tip toe,s around the truth "no disrepect ment" etc etc etc ...... HE is notting the boy hasnt a muscle in his entier body you see the way big show just tossed him around 10 feet into the air dureing their match?

he,s crap if a "normal" person came into wwe looking like a 9 stone milk bottle he wouldnt be given the light of day (other than that idoit spike)

Cianan2

Honestly,you guys.The kids a wrestler,and hes been practisin' for quite some time.He has talent,and im sure hes gonna keep using that talent because he can.Just because he only has 1 leg,doesnt mean he cant stay a wrestler!God,he could even still be going by WMXXX(that name makes you wonder,doesnt it??!)And fair play to him if he is.

Sean101

I agree Cianan.

Sposs

Originally posted by Cianan2
Honestly,you guys.The kids a wrestler,and hes been practisin' for quite some time.He has talent,and im sure hes gonna keep using that talent because he can.Just because he only has 1 leg,doesnt mean he cant stay a wrestler!God,he could even still be going by WMXXX(that name makes you wonder,doesnt it??!)And fair play to him if he is.

He's Been Practisin? can you back this up because he's certainly not been to a gym.

Just because he only has 1 leg,doesnt mean he cant stay a wrestler!

He won't stay a wrestler for the simply fact that once Mr Mc Mahon is finished makeing a fool out of him and when the ratings start to slump he'll terminate his contract,he's done it to plenty better wrestlers with two legs.

Sean101

Sposs, I think the moonsault and drop kicks are proof enough that he has been practicing.

In fact i think its safe to say that anybody who enters that ring has trained. Its too dangerous to do otherwise.

vasch_ro

I have to say I do not like the zack story , he got tossed around by the big show last week and looked like he nearly broke his neck choreographed or not it looked like an unatural angle for a neck to be at.
Have to say I do feel its slightly sick watch him but the the crowd seems to like and I guess he is well paid for it

Ph3n0m

The main problem with the Zack Gowen storyline is that a) it is running out steam and b) he isnt over with the crowd, like other wrestlers.

Granted he is a talented kid for doing what he does, especially missing one leg.

However and lets be realistic about this - he has no future in WWE. He can showcase what talent he has, he can have limited success wherever he goes - but more likely then not, especially in the WWE, he will only be used as the shock value wrestler to put over the McMahons

I mean can anyone see him being a serious contender for any titles??

Can any honestly tell me that after this "feud" with Vince McMahon, that Zack Gowen will be morethen another Stevie Richards, or Shannon More?

I admire the guy for what he has done with his life, and how he has accomplished, in his words, "his lifetime dream" - but as for having a future in the business - I seriously doubt it.

This is not meant to be a negative diatribe against people like Zack Gowen, whatever their choosen profession is -= this is my opinion pointing out that when all is said and done - Zack Gowen will not be accepted by the fans for very much longer. Gowen's problem is he is only over with the crowd because of who he faces, i.e. McMahon. After that he will have no heat at all, because people will realise that he is limited as a wrestler, that he has a limited skillset (although that never stopped Hogan).

Maybe I am wrong, maybe this little piece will come back to bite me in the ass ( and i hope it does). But for now I am conviced that Zack Gowen will be gone from our screens with 6 months

Sean101

Hey, Shanon Moore aint that bad. Did u see that whisper in the wind he did at Vengence?

NeroTheExtreme

He won't last, he'll be gone by Royal Rumble I reckon.

Vince isn't using Gowen for his talent (and yes, he does have a lot of it), he's doing what he can to grab ratings. WWE might look good for the minute (especially with Vengence receiving rave reviews, pretty much the first time a WWE PPV has gotten a good review since WMX7, lets face it!), but the company is still in a LOT of trouble and McMahon is skating on thin ice.

Gowen will last as long as he's stuck in the midcard, but after this weeks SmackDown! I'd tend to believe that they're walking a very thin line with Gowan as it is by trying to push him.

Nero