Sex Before Marriage

JohnnyBravo

I think the heading says it all

embee

Sex before marraige should be mandatory. The idea of getting married to someone a virgin........ no thanks. On the other hand, when I get married, I dont wanna get married to some bloke whose been dipping his toe into many, many pools. Thats a touch mingin. And Im sure that the same goes for a bloke too.
A happy medium is acceptable.

Those mad Americans - where do they get their ideas?

seamus

No it doesn't.

What's your opinion on it? That's what you're supposed to post.

Personally, it's a non-issue. A bit of craic between consent adults is no problem, regardless of how that craic is gotten.

JohnnyBravo

Wait im supposed to have an opinion on it

koneko

Are you going to keep doing that?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103437

Agree with Seamus anyway.

JohnnyBravo

yeah its funny

JohnnyBravo

+ i work for the government moral statistics division 6 i have to get everyones opinion

BuffyBot

Oh dear....can't see this one lasting long..

Anyway, why should there be any problem with it. All consenting adults etc etc..

amp

I've no problems with this other than I'd prefer if the person put forward their views on the argument in question.

Sparks

"Yes please"

TacT

well if the heading says it all, what more is there to say and why is the thread here

So you think sex before marriage is a bad idea? Or did someone in work tell you that you would lose your virginity soon? Then, thinking in work terms, soon could be twenty years from now when you eventually get married, so your wondering how long you have to wait before you get your rocks off?

Please elaborate because the one liner nothingness in your posts are about as drab as the public sector and govt departments..

Mercury_Tilt

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Nevyn

Really who in this day gets married with out finding out if they are sexually compatible, if you dont find out till it is too late your in for a very long suffering and frustated life.

patch

I'm trying to be funny when I say, You wouldn't buy a pair of shoes without trying them on first. Sex is a huge part of any normal persons life. There's too much risk of being made miserable for the rest of your life involved in my opinion.

flyz

Sex before marriage == good

meaningless one night stands == bad

that about sums it up for me anyway:cool:

The Corinthian

Whatever melts your butter, or not, as the case may be.

If one wants to go up the altar a virgin, that’s their business, but they should do so for the right (generally religious) reasons. Remaining a virgin (regardless of whether we consider it a good idea or not) is not an easy thing in modern society and is a sacrifice should be respected (as long as it’s not the third date that they tell you this, that is).

However, this difficulty has spawned a strange anomaly whereby one can find women (and I’m sure men) who are more than willing to practice acts that one would blush to request of a professional, rather than technically lose their virginity. That makes no sense, tbh.

DriftingRain

If one wants to go up the altar a virgin, that’s their business, but they should do so for the right (generally religious) reasons. Remaining a virgin (regardless of whether we consider it a good idea or not) is not an easy thing in modern society and is a sacrifice should be respected (as long as it’s not the third date that they tell you this, that is).

I agree with you Corrie...:D
A person has their own thoughts and mind...What they do is their business and should stay their business.

AngelofFire

well i was born outside wedlock plus i am not a catholic. so ive never actually tought about that issue. i believe that the grounds for the issue of sex before marriage are purely religious.its no big deal marriage is just a piece of paper gauranteeing that one will stay faithful to their partner for the rest of their life. i honestly can`t see why people would be against sex before marraige apart from the greater risk of STDs amongst people who have multiple sexual partners. BTW im not saying that people who have only one sexual partner can`t get an STD.

The Corinthian

Originally posted by AngelofFire
i believe that the grounds for the issue of sex before marriage are purely religious.

Historically, it comes from issues such as guaranteeing bloodlines, inheritance, etc.

A man would marry a virgin as a guarantee that she wasn’t already pregnant with another man’s child (who would then inherit the husbands wealth). Which, as archaic as it may sound, would make a lot of sense to any man who’s seen the average hen party down the Temple Bar.

Nevyn

Originally posted by The Corinthian
would make a lot of sense to any man who’s seen the average hen party down the Temple Bar.

Well if He was That worried he could always insert a clause in the prenup
calling for a D&C .

The Corinthian

Originally posted by Thaed
Well if He was That worried he could always insert a clause in the prenup
calling for a D&C .

Unfortunately, prenups are not legally binding in Ireland. Even outside Ireland they can often be overturned despite being perfectly valid contracts.

bonkey

Originally posted by The Corinthian
A man would marry a virgin as a guarantee that she wasn’t already pregnant with another man’s child (who would then inherit the husbands wealth). Which, as archaic as it may sound, would make a lot of sense to any man who’s seen the average hen party down the Temple Bar.

This is indeed where the whole concept came from.

IIRC, societies which were matriarchal in nature never had an issue, as it is never really a problem to know who the mother of a child is

jc

JohnnyBravo

wHATS A D&R

amp

It's like a troll only with lawyers.

Nevyn

Originally posted by The Corinthian
Even outside Ireland they can often be overturned despite being perfectly valid contracts.

Yes well the courts dont seem to see the point in trying to Legislate for that pesky thing called love.

sceptre

Originally posted by amp
It's like a troll only with lawyers.

Originally posted by JohnnyBravo
wHATS A D&R

D&C

Short for Dilation and Curettage

It's a gynecological operation to scrape away the lining (the endometrium) of the uterus. First, the cervix is dilated (opened) by inserting a series of tapering rods, each thicker than the previous one. The endometrium is then lightly scraped away using a curette (it's a spoon-shaped device)

These days the procedure is mostly used for specific tissue removal or, more probably, obtaining a specimen for diagnosis. Vacuum aspiration is used far more often in recent times for the long list of reasons that would formerly have required a D&C.

The lining grows back naturally as part of the menstrual cycle. A D&C can even be beneficial for its own sake if the uterine lining has grown so thick that it causes heavy periods (though TBH a progesterone IUD has the same result).

Thaed mentioned it as it's one (rather extreme (but non-contestable)) method of making sure a bride to be isn't expectant.

Google for it if you haven't fainted and want any more info. I can put it in pretty blunt "I am 16 and male" terms using the words "spoon" and "scrape" if you really want me to.


(I'm going out with a nurse & sometimes read textbooks when I run out of something to read on my way to sleep)

neuro-praxis

The Christian perspective:

The reason Christians wait is because they believe that when a man and a woman have sex, they're joined as one. And the place for that unity, we believe, is marriage.

Waiting until marriage ensures several things:

1) The partners are committed to one another on an enormous spiritual, intellectual and emotional level...as they can't satisfy their sexual appetite without a lifetime commitment, they need to take their relationships damn seriously. The complete fulfilment of the relationship is marked by marriage.

2) Nobody gets pregnant and becomes a single parent. The ideal environment for a child is within a stable, loving atmosphere where the parents have support from one another. (This is not to imply that children in single parent families can't/won't do as well etc. I am not trying to be controversial here.) Nobody gets diseases either.

3) Partners can develop their sexuality together in a completely loving, as opposed to lustful, environment.

4) Sex isn't used as a weapon, or as a means to qualify oneself or reassure oneself that they are attractive, or as a means of selfish entertainment. You learn to live out your sexuality as an integral part of your being and see it as something significant and beautiful.

Waiting is extremely tough, and I've not lived up to my own standards (or rather God's) on this, but neither have I lived up to those standards on most things in my life. However, I can't imagine possibly having a better relationship with my fiancé. Your focus changes when you can't focus on sex.

/me being ridiculously honest

Sparks

Hmmm. One wonders if an organisation that has sheltered priests from charges of sexual molestation of children has any right to dictate the circumstances under which someone may or may not have sex...
:rolleyes:

neuro-praxis

Nobody is dictating how you should live. Have I? No. I have explained how I want to live. And justified it. Why should you dictate how I want to do things?

And I'm not a Catholic. And you sound like a flippin broken record!

Sparks

Nobody is dictating how you should live.

*re-reads his post*
Nope, can't see any accusations there against you... bit defensive there, old chap...

Mercury_Tilt

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Sparks

Its a "she"

Hey, this is the internet:

And well put did she put her position on the subject IMO.

And my post attacked her how?
Besides, I don't see how I can sound like a broken record if I'd not posted on this before...

The Corinthian

Originally posted by Sparks
And my post attacked her how?

Stop oppressing her, you footman of the patriarchy...

amp

*sigh*

Yellow card for Sparks for stupidity for assuming that Christianity = Catholic church and for flaming.

Yellow card for neuro-praxis for returning the flame. Also I'd like to remind her that these are her views and that she does not represent all Christians, which is what is implied by her post.

Now, back on topic or the the yellow cards will turn red. Anyone arguing with me on this thread will be banned.

Mercury_Tilt

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JohnnyBravo

isnt this my thread how come i cant ban anyone

amp

Mercury_tilt and Johnny Bravo banned for a week for failing to understand the phrase "back on topic".

dahamsta

Originally posted by sceptre
I'm going out with a nurse & sometimes read textbooks when I run out of something to read on my way to sleep

Sleep? But... but... you're going out with a nurse!

adam /taking the presumption that all nurses are pretty to death (Maura Tierney. Uh-huh-huh-huh.)

amp

Dahamsta added to temp ban list. Thread locked as it seems that nobodies interested in actually discussing it.