let sloth out?

MrNuked · 01-07-2003 6:23pm #1

Do you think Sloth should be let out of prison because all he did was backchat Devore and Ecksor and why should they be allowed ban people just because they annoy them surely they should be able to win via wit rather than just authority.
Then again I never saw the signatures that people were talking about. Is there a link to them anywhere?
I do find it disturbing that he will give Devore service in return for being debanned though.
I'm drunk hope I don't get banned or anything.

phreak · 01-07-2003 6:31pm

omg no don't let him out. its just becoming an Oz type show.

Turner · 01-07-2003 6:39pm

Death penalty to MrNuked. Hes trying to cause a revolution.

MrNuked · 01-07-2003 6:41pm

Were you just banned for saying that? Or did you give yourself that tagline to confuse people or maybe to see if it would allow you to post in prison?
Why did I start this thread I don;t care either way. I should have started a thread on how annoying it is that anti-american remarks seem to be considered "hip" or something in this site, while anti-[most other things] results in a banning. That's something I do find annoying. Anti-George Bush on the other hand I find funny cos he's an evil git. Did you know
that before september 11 FBI agents were told to ignore people involved in the 911 bombing because George Bush had received lots of money from Saudi arabian sheikhs. Reading a book telling the numerous ways tehy fixed the voting in Florida. Technically he was not elected you know. Whereas we did elect Charle s haughey. He in a glass house etc.

ironbrew · 01-07-2003 7:07pm

Add an option, No,keep him in there,but allow visiting hours.

Under no circumstances should the admins let him out,its just too entertaining. Thats the only reason why he keeps coming back, again and again-to entertain me and the like.

("like" being sad silly lilttle biatches)

Thorbar · 01-07-2003 7:13pm

Its their site they can do what they like on it. Sloth deserved what he got if I was him I'd consider retiring from boards.ie or else asking devore if he can come back under a different name and not act like an arse bandit this time.

Your writing style hurts my brain, also don't take everything Michael Moore says/writes as gospel, the lad spins facts as much as Bush does.

MrNuked · 01-07-2003 7:17pm

greg palast in this case

Winters · 01-07-2003 8:19pm

Bah, i couldnt care less. But he's making it worse the way he is acting in prison atm. I dont think the parole board will look kindly at it...

Wait, theres an idea. We could have a parole board

Really i think we should remove the stars of the boards.ie inmates. Letting the inmates keep their stars makes them look better then they are. They [the inmates] are now the property of the boards.ie government.... the fun we could have .... oh wait. boards aint too much of a democracy .. ah well. lets have fun with them anywhys ..

Gordon · 01-07-2003 8:58pm

To be honest - www.boards.ie is a democracy and DeVore said it himself somewhere. We should all have free speech and umm... stuff so... there.

My mate Fred told me that the admins don't even own boards - some guy called Bob does, and he runs it from his country bunker somewhere in America, in fact the Admins don't even live in Ireland he says. I think that it is all a scam tbh. It is all a big scam to make people give their email addresses to make companies send them popup adverts through their computer.

-Gordon- disillusioned as hell

Yavvy · 01-07-2003 9:03pm

im with iornnrew on this one...keep the freak show in...but i would like to visit.

PiE · 01-07-2003 11:42pm

Who f*cking cares.

Beruthiel · 02-07-2003 8:10am

though it has to be said tbh

don't do the crime
if ya can't do the time

damnyanks · 02-07-2003 8:27am

Awww give him another chance

Kalina · 02-07-2003 9:01am

Leave him there for another while, he's amusing some people and it's keeping him out of everyone elses hair.

spongebob · 02-07-2003 2:19pm

Prison has no effect unless the sentence lasts 2 weeks at least.

The inmates tariff should be in a sticky on top IMO

M

ecksor · 02-07-2003 2:22pm

Um, potentially someone might get out on the grounds of good behaviour but by default a ban is indefinite, as before.

fisty · 02-07-2003 7:42pm

string him up

BoB_BoT · 02-07-2003 9:37pm

they don't seem to be trying very hard not to get out of prison. I think they like it. and sloth :P, yes insulting devore is gonna help loads!

damnyanks · 03-07-2003 9:52am

Curious: What if he was to sign up to the supporters package ? Are the services he payed for disabled because some people find him annoying ?

Yavvy · 03-07-2003 9:57am

I think its unlikley that anyone that supports Boards.ie by buying a pack would then go to the trouble of insulting and flipping at the people he is infact supporting.

Having said that, If I carried on like sloth did I would have to expect a banning and accept I just gave away €50.

Hobart · 03-07-2003 10:41am

Originally posted by Alany
I think its unlikley that anyone that supports Boards.ie by buying a pack would then go to the trouble of insulting and flipping at the people he is infact supporting.

Having said that, If I carried on like sloth did I would have to expect a banning and accept I just gave away €50.

There are all sorts of muppets out there supporters or not. I think Dev has made clear in the past that the SP gives you SFA in terms of rights. If he/she was a supporter I think he would get his 50 yoyo's back and remained banned.

Trebor · 03-07-2003 10:52am

Originally posted by Hobart
There are all sorts of muppets out there supporters or not. I think Dev has made clear in the past that the SP gives you SFA in terms of rights. If he/she was a supporter I think he would get his 50 yoyo's back and remained banned.

you can't pay for a service then abuse it and hope to get your money back!

i am sure Dev has some nice leagal mumbo jumbo that's says "if you break the rules we get to keep your money and kick you off" when some one accepts to be a subscriber

DeVore · 03-07-2003 11:35am

you better believe we do. Pages and pages of mumbo jumbo.

The set of supporters and the set of muppets will rarely intersect.
If the muppets want to give us 50 quid in the, quite mistaken, idea that it will garner them extra rights... well its their money.

DeV.

ecksor · 03-07-2003 12:17pm

Originally posted by damnyanks
Curious: What if he was to sign up to the supporters package ? Are the services he payed for disabled because some people find him annoying ?

I kinda mentioned this on the original thread where I announced the Prison forum ...

That would mostly depend I suppose. The extra services would be control over avatars and taglines, (which we would be quite happy to muck around with for a Banned user normally), photopost and a journal. (and more, coming soon (tm) !). So, access to forums doesn't really interfere with those.

Anyway, if you look at the TOS of becoming a subscriber, we are more or less covered as I understand it against people giving us money and then expecting some sort of protection if they act the muppet if that's what's worrying you?

ecksor · 03-07-2003 12:18pm

Duh, sorry, somehow managed to not see the replies you'd already gotten to that question.

bubbles · 03-07-2003 12:41pm

Personaly, I feel Sloth is a victim of Ecksors superiority complex... but ecksor can't be held 100% responsible, as its fairly obvious that he's just DeVore's puppet in taking a more PR role in boards, and altho he does spurt alot of crap he does make some good points - especially in relation to AMP, who's turning into a little nazi ecksor wannabe.

Its good that sloth hasn't taken this whole situtation too seriously, buts its a shame to see such injustice right in front of our noises, on the site many of us would consider home. Still, you know the old saying, revenge is sweet... it will all backfire on the admins in a few months. We are like their little pets, at least the treat most of the people here like pets, and if for example if you keep poking a dog with a stick, over and over it will eventually bite back.

We're all going to love that.

jesus_thats_gre · 03-07-2003 12:49pm

Let the poor fella go!!! Just get a public apology out of him and that should be enough!!

Detonated Sauce · 03-07-2003 1:09pm

This is what sloth sent me earlier to post:
"As of this morning it seems that all posts on the prison forum have been stopped. I've noticed this hasn't been mentioned anywhere and can only presume that this was done so that it'd look like I got bored and stopped posting. It annoys me that the admins went this far, it's bad enough that I got banned in the first place but to slowly stop me being able to post in the prison forum was a bit needless. They could have left me there but no they had to wade in and completely shut it down on me without even saying anything about it. I also noticed that they've deleted a lot of threads too without saying anything either.
Just because they're on the netsource payroll doesn't mean they should have closed down the prison. I think in all fairness they should either re-open the prison properly (ie new threads too) or unban me from every forum except feedback/suggestions as thats where 99% of my flashpoints with them seem to happen (I'd rather the latter at this stage to be quite frank). In the words of George Michael I've serviced the community and heed my time.
Regards,
Sloth"

ecksor · 03-07-2003 1:13pm

"As of this morning it seems that all posts on the prison forum have been stopped. I've noticed this hasn't been mentioned anywhere and can only presume that this was done so that it'd look like I got bored and stopped posting.

Perhaps Sloth is too dim to read the curfew thread?

Hobart · 03-07-2003 1:18pm

Originally posted by Trebor
you can't pay for a service then abuse it and hope to get your money back!

i am sure Dev has some nice leagal mumbo jumbo that's says "if you break the rules we get to keep your money and kick you off" when some one accepts to be a subscriber

You dont pay the Admins for access to boards AFAIK. You pay for the supporters pack. I dont think Sloth was a supporter or that anybody abused these "extra" services. And I was sure I read somewhere that you would probably get you money back if you abused the supporters pack or start bleeting on about how as a supporter you are "paying your f**kin wages". Ahyhow the TOS seem to clear that up.

And Detonated Sauce where does it say that anybody here has any rights? You do have the right to be stupid. And you do have the right to be banned. You also have the right to be quite. I think that is about it thoough.

If the admins wanted to close down the whole lot they could on a whim. Crying abt it (not you DS althoough you are a madman for re-publishing it) will do nobody any good. Let it pass and move on.

Detonated Sauce · 03-07-2003 1:40pm

Who the hell asked you or gives a damn what you think? -Sloth.

DeVore · 03-07-2003 1:50pm

This is becoming less funny.
I dislike being insulted for every perceived stupid piece of crap Sloth dreams up.

DS... please stop channeling Sloth.

*******, stop stirring. Yes, you are.

Wtf is that about us being on Netsource payroll?

This is growing old and I'm finding less desire to put up with this shít.

DeV.

Dustaz · 03-07-2003 2:01pm

Originally posted by Detonated Sauce

Just because they're on the netsource payroll doesn't mean they should have closed down the prison

roflmao
oh god.
roflrofl.

This has made my day.

Sloth, Since your obviously reading this might i congratulate you on making the fastest U-turn from Fanboy to Paranoia X-Filer in living history.

It seems like only yesterday you were re-inventing the laws of physics for us on the Ioffl forum in your rabid appreciation for Netsource and equally rabid ignorance of facts and common sense. Who is to say you were not merely their puppet as they sought to gain a foothold in boards.ie in their quest for TOTAL WORLD DOMINATION.

Detonated Sauce · 03-07-2003 2:05pm

DeVore,
I know you and sloth have gone through some hard times but everyone on this forum can see what great friends you used to be together. Don't you think it's time you settled down and made up with him? The friendship you two shared is worth more than your own petty argument just because the general consensus is that you went pearl harbour on him. Now don't you think it's time you acted like a good little boy and kissed and made up with good ol' sloth over there?

ecksor · 03-07-2003 2:09pm

Hi DS.

You were on your last warning after that signature crap and general 'Fight the power' bollix is getting on my nerves.

Good bye.

DeVore · 03-07-2003 2:17pm

Thats a pity cos his Pic'n'Mix posts were funny and I thought he was getting it...

I dont like Sloth. I'm not his "mate" and since he PM'ed me begging to be unbanned from this forum and swore he wouldnt start his Fight The Power shít again and clearly has, I find him a lying little sack of poo.

I've told him I'd prefer if he didnt come here and he'll be unbanned over my dead clammy body. I can live my entire life without ever saying another word to him.

And if thats something you cant live with... I can live without you too.

DeV.

ecksor · 03-07-2003 2:20pm

Originally posted by DeVore
Thats a pity cos his Pic'n'Mix posts were funny and I thought he was getting it...

To be perfectly fair, on another day I probably wouldn't have banned him but this is not funny, it's just tedious. I won't object to him being unbanned if he does demonstrate that he's getting it.

swiss · 03-07-2003 3:49pm

I've refrained from posting on this thread up until now, because it really isn't any of my business. I'm only doing so now because I'm bored and I seem to have a penchant for sticking my nose in where it isn't wanted.

Anyway, this has gone a bit out of hand. All of this originated from a forum request (which incidentally I thought was quite valid - even though I don't play SWG myself, and don't intend to for the forseeable future). I think that the admins resented the fact that it seemed that they were being taken for granted, the poster played the 'god given right' card, and so it spiralled to the present escalation.

Now, I don't think that anyone is going to shed a tear for the posters that have been banned (no offence to the posters in question), but it does create an interesting precedent. Anyone with a gripe with an admin will point towards this as an example of totalitarian rule. Of course, everyone will point out the obvious, that no apologies are being made about this, it is entirely an admin's right to determine who stays and who goes.

However, it has the potential to create needless strife, friction and conflict. I think what is really lacking is a little finesse in the fine art of politely telling people when they are wrong and when to shut up

. The posters in question also need to realise that this is not real life (TM), it is a privately owned and operated community site that nobody is being forced to read. The admins give their free time, don't get paid, and don't like it when people seem ungrateful for their efforts or take those efforts for granted.

DeVore, you might not like me saying this, but I distinctly remember you telling people that a judicious use of the 'ignore' feature is a therapeutic way of getting rid of the annoying drone of a particular poster that ires you. Might I suggest that you take this piece of advice? Now, I accept that you might not want to do this in case that poster does something completely out of line - warranting a ban. However, an alternative solution would be to simply peruse that persons post i.e give it a quick glance, but pay it no real heed or attention. Doesn't always work - but worth a shot.

DeVore · 03-07-2003 3:58pm

Swiss.... Sloth and D.Sauce were (it seems) the same person.

Sloth posted a request for a forum... DS (not 5 hours later on a Saturday evening) gets shirty.

We're being "played" here and this is all a set up so that Sloth could point at me (it seems) and scream abuse. I dont know why, ask him.

I'm sure I'm a bad person... right now I'm a fatigued bad person.

Everyone is free to stay or go as they see fit... personally I'm tired of defending myself, especially from small people.
In that respect I'm gonna take your advice and just ban without comment when I feel its completely justified from now on. In this case I gave someone just too much respect and time. Ecksor had the right idea, ban and be done with it.

maybe I'll think better after a nights sleep.

DeV.

spongebob · 03-07-2003 4:01pm

Originally posted by Detonated Sauce
This is what sloth sent me earlier to post:

" I also noticed that they've deleted a lot of threads too without saying anything either.
Just because they're on the netsource payroll doesn't mean they should have closed down the prison. "

Bribery does get you somewhere Sloth, Netsource paid quote handsomely for this you know and then DeV (of the fat wallet) sent Ecksor along to goad you into actionable muppetry. Are these the posts that have been deleted, or are we simply on about some of the Prison posts?

Organise a fullsome apology to Netsource for all the pain you put them through Sloth and don't forget the PM to user lmck who works there so she knows you've apoloogised.

I think that Netsource would then intervene with the mods on your behalf.......

M

DeVore · 03-07-2003 4:02pm

ps: Sloth.... this is NOT me:
http://www.theguildhall.net/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42199

A. if it was me I'd be called DeVore.

B. I am have no intention of posting on your site. Its clear now (given that you have your own SWG board) that you never wanted to do anything but cause trouble here. I'm not going to drop to your level.

C. That looks like Deathgiver2003 aka Amp... talk to him.

Jesus, you blame everything on me. I could care *less* about you but it would take *effort*.

DeV.

PiE · 03-07-2003 4:45pm

Originally posted by DeVore
ps: Sloth.... this is NOT me:
http://www.theguildhall.net/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42199

bahahahaha

spongebob · 03-07-2003 4:54pm

http://www.theguildhall.net/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=77

and your moderator is .......

and the first thread I saw was

http://www.theguildhall.net/vb/showthread.php?threadid=42121

Sarky · 03-07-2003 5:12pm

Ooh, there's more!

1001 votes in one day? Don't know how that was done, but I likes it...:)

amp · 03-07-2003 6:09pm

Originally posted by DeVore

C. That looks like Deathgiver2003 aka Amp... talk to him.

Jesus, you blame everything on me. I could care *less* about you but it would take *effort*.

DeV.

And you think I care enough?

In fact I competely tuned out of this thread due to extreme boredom until I trying to figure out why ecksor had put some crap forum thread in the topic of #boards.ie.

I'm just wondering when the Admins promotion of Sloth and his muppetry is going to end.

I could go on, but I'm starting to bore myself...

ironbrew · 03-07-2003 7:31pm

As of this morning it seems that all posts on the prison forum have been stopped. I've noticed this hasn't been mentioned anywhere and can only presume that this was done so that it'd look like I got bored and stopped posting. It annoys me that the admins went this far, it's bad enough that I got banned in the first place but to slowly stop me being able to post in the prison forum was a bit needless.

I also noticed that they've deleted a lot of threads too without saying anything either.

Quit yer yapping and read the terms you agreed to!!!!!!!

By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

The owners of boards.ie/vbulletin have the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.

ecksor · 03-07-2003 11:33pm

I did all of the banning in this incident so I think I have more to explain than DeVore does.

Originally posted by swiss
Anyway, this has gone a bit out of hand. All of this originated from a forum request (which incidentally I thought was quite valid - even though I don't play SWG myself, and don't intend to for the forseeable future).

SWG is a valid suggestion. If anyone with a bit of patience who isn't out to wind us up wants to raise it again then feel free.

I can't argue with the 'out of hand' comment for obvious reasons.

I think that the admins resented the fact that it seemed that they were being taken for granted, the poster played the 'god given right' card, and so it spiralled to the present escalation.

A certain amount of that. A certain amount of Sloth/DS (apparently the same person, I'm not sure though) posting in a manner designed to get up our noses. A certain amount of previous crap with both those accounts (in the case of Detonated Sauce and his signature it was the day of that thread. It might be a small thing, but if I admin something I don't expect a poke in the eye I expect someone to talk to me if they have a problem). A certain amount of not buggering off and letting us calm down when we suggested that perhaps it might be a good idea to bugger off and let us calm down.

I guess you can't take that thread on it's own. I referred to 'stupid insults' on that thread for example that were made elsewhere, but I read a lot of boards, I notice, I see when mods are complaining and this stuff gets noted at the back of my mind. It will determine whether I treat someone as a newbie or a muppet.

You'll not that I didn't ban 'urban ninja' (although Vexorg did

) and I didn't ban MrNuked (who since came back and apologised) despite the abuse they handed out. I've taken plenty of crap on the Security forum without taking any action.

All I'm saying is that there's evidence to support the idea that I'm lenient or that I'm overly harsh. In reality I'm probably usually lenient, and sometimes a complete nazi. I suppose people should try not to pick a bad day to act the muppet.

Now, I don't think that anyone is going to shed a tear for the posters that have been banned (no offence to the posters in question), but it does create an interesting precedent. Anyone with a gripe with an admin will point towards this as an example of totalitarian rule. Of course, everyone will point out the obvious, that no apologies are being made about this, it is entirely an admin's right to determine who stays and who goes.

Well, the important point is that nobody (or at least very few) is shedding a tear for those posters. I think that creating the Prison forum represents us throwing a bone to Banned users to create some sort of peace with us and we just crap crap crap and more crap.

And yes, it is entirely within our right to do that, and yes, people can point to this as some sort of precedent, but we're not running a court of law, or claiming to be impartial or even infallible. We're running a website, which supports a community, and I do it because it's cool. If the community thinks I'm a complete prick and rises up against us or they all **** off to altboards.ie or whatever then that's gone, and I sincerely hope that never happens. I don't think that's happening though, and I think we'd know pretty quickly if it was.

Forget about any principles or precedents or perceptions. What do you think about this episode?

DeVore, you might not like me saying this, but I distinctly remember you telling people that a judicious use of the 'ignore' feature is a therapeutic way of getting rid of the annoying drone of a particular poster that ires you.

I would dearly love to put some posters on ignore. That doesn't mean I want to ban them though (although I might ban some of them from one or two individual forums), it just means that I find them immensely irritating. It's quite possible to irritate the **** out of me without it being a bannable offence. There's plenty of examples of exchanges I've had with different posters on these boards that hasn't resulted in banning, because it's just a difference of opinion. PM me if you want examples (some of the examples that come to mind are mods on boards actually).

However, I don't think that admins should use the ignore feature. We are supposed to be able to see all sides of a dispute, view a signature (another thing I'd dearly love not to have to view) etc etc etc.

Originally posted by DeVore
In this case I gave someone just too much respect and time. Ecksor had the right idea, ban and be done with it.

Ah now, I'm the lenient one really (on average). Also, if I was so determined to ban and be done with it I wouldn't have come up with the Prison forum ...

ecksor · 03-07-2003 11:35pm

Originally posted by ironbrew
Quit yer yapping and read the terms you agreed to!!!!!!!

Actually, I moved quite a few threads to the recycle bin at one point, but I didn't delete any threads or posts.

Slothacus · 05-07-2003 7:37pm

no hes annoying. Keep him in.

MrNuked · 06-07-2003 6:57am

Is Slothacus sloth trying to disguise himself by pretending to be anti-sloth?

MrNuked · 06-07-2003 7:02am

ah. the signature kinda gives that impression anyway.

let sloth out?

should sloth's ban be lifted? 54 votes

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