United told to Up Ronaldhino offer to £31m

tomED

£31million!!!!
I think they are takin the piss now!

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2003/07/01/story104524.html

p.pete

It's hillarious, the amount of united supporters who on another thread reckon there is a chance Viera will go to United - purely because "money talks".

Not to stick the knife in or anything but do united have enough money to do the talking this time or will they be tight lipped. The figures seem fairly steep but not something that Real Madrid would be balking at - and surely united wouldn't be buying attacking midfielders of a lower callibre than Zidanne and Figo.

Humphrey

Now that bugsy is going for that ridiculous sum, maybe fergie will put his interest back into the Duffer. Remember we still have Solskjaer for the Left wing.

Humphrey.

jonno

You mean Solkjaer for the right wing Humphrey:)

Real seem to like stripping Utd of things lately:p

Anyway I think he will splash out to get him even if it is that much.

p.pete

Get Veron and Ronaldinho on the same team ye'll almost seem like pretenders to Real Madrid. I hope ye get him just to add a little spice to the Manchester Derby.

BKtje

31m? thats a slight increase from the 12m (or so) touted before.

No player is worth that tbh, not in todays climate. So errr get someone else imo.

p.pete

Originally posted by B-K-DzR
31m? thats a slight increase from the 12m (or so) touted before.

No player is worth that tbh, not in todays climate. So errr get someone else imo.

I thought so, money talks but United don't have enough of it.

Your right - no player is probably worth that from a footballing perspective. From a financial point of view I would say that Beckham is worth that - the media attention he generates, the shirt sales, the advertising revenue, the household name.

Scottish

Saw this on footballtransfers.info:

PSG president, Francis Graille: "We still want him to stay. But if United arrive with an offer of €45m (£31m), it can go very quickly.
"Real propose €35m to have Ronaldinho in a year, and to pay a third as early as today.
"At the moment there is an offer from Real, who proposed a deal in two steps, and an offer from Barcelona who proposed money and some players. There is nothing at all from Manchester."

Strange...

super_furry

Can't say I blame them. If they see United getting £25million for Beckham, why would they sell a better player to them for anything less? I mean Ronaldhino is a World Cup winner after all. I think the sale of Beckham may yet come back to haunt Ferguson.

50Cent

United have enough money alright...thats obvious. Its whether they would spend that much on Ronaldinho. I think he is brilliant but thats an awful lot of cash...

The Muppet

United have more than enough if they really want him. I think you are forgetting that last year when the otheres were trying to cut their costs we were spending 30m on rio and i wont mention th eyear before Ruud And Veron.

At This stage the parties are just positioning themselves for the bargaining to get the best deal possible. Time will reveal all and if fergie really wants him he will get him.

50Cent

Under no circumstances will they pay that though. They have the cash. They wont pay it though. It just doesnt seem right in this market. 12 mill would be good for this ****en climate. Stupid french psg bastards....why oh why!!!

Greenbean

Theres very little strange about those quotes, given the source. Imo, the biggest issue is whether Ronaldino has the proper attitude for it all. In that sense, I fear he will be a failure and want to leave for somewhere sunny within a year. 20m stl should be the absolute maximum (12million = bargin or 15m = good). Ferguson could probably sweat PSG out on this one, they need the cash more than he needs Ronaldino.

50Cent

Ferguson could probably sweat PSG out on this one, they need the cash more than he needs Ronaldino.

They dont anymore...

Thats why its shot up. their sponsors Canal are raising 20mill for them.

And Ronaldinho has agreed terms with Kenyon.

Spud

LOL 31 million no one will sign him

Scottish

I thought it was strange. Why admit details about other offers, and say Man U haven't even offered anything?

I know there are behind the scenes games that go on, but this does seem a bit different. No offer at all?

Still think he'll go to Man U. but not for the price they want.

50Cent

Its a pity actually. Where the **** is loyalty in football gone? I know thats nothing to do with the 31mill pound offer. But theres no ****en loyalty these days...all money. A great pity.

Anyway, about this Ronaldinho thing, PSG must be taking the piss...what is it they said Real offered...to have him for this year...then loan him back for 12 months and then buy him for 21 mill was it? I probably got that ridiculous wrong...but i dont remember...i just remember saying thats ridiculous. No way will Utd buy him at that price. NO ****EN WAY.

Also, i dont think Utd are going to win the European cup this season or any season soon as a matter of fact because Real or Ac have ultimate quality...more so Real. They will win it in my opinion. its a pity, as far as spending power goes...its Real all the way...which i dont understand as Utd are the biggest club in the world.

The Muppet

So You think beckham is going to solve Reals Problems at the back. Can You elaborate as i find this veiwpoint interesting.

Sposs

Real and Barcelona arent in the running,Utd have a deal with Real that they only let Querioz break his contract and become there manager if they Backed off Ronaldhino.

He's defo not worth that amount of Money.I'd say good luck to PSG then wtch them come running back saying they'll accept less.

50Cent

Originally posted by The Muppet
So You think beckham is going to solve Reals Problems at the back. Can You elaborate as i find this veiwpoint interesting.

Ok did i say that would? No...sigh:rolleyes:

And Reals game plan is always not to buy defenders but to buy attacking players to score more than the opposition. Thats the way they play. The president said that numerous time. If you really want me to find a quote...actually no..i dont care. Thats the way they play. I personally dont know why they wont strengthen the back cos money is blatantly not an issue for them.

The Muppet

I was just interested that you seem to ignore Reals defensive frailties when declaring they were going to win everything next Season and as beckham is their only signing to date i assumed
you saw him as the answer.

Lets be honest Real were Lucky to beat united in the Champions League this year . Maybe lucky is the wrong word but we did not do ouself justice in the first match and they plaed above their normal level for much of the match.

If united get the right signings this summer we will be stronger
next year and I dont believe their signings to dat has actually improved their first team.

50Cent

You dont believe signing Beckham has improoved their team? Well its hardly made them a weaker team to have the best passer, set peace taker, corner taker in the game? Of course it has...financially and football wise.

And you got it wrong, they have superstars who thrive on those occasions. And they did it against us. I hope we beat them...but i cant see it happening. they seem to just buy their team and have this phenemonal spending power.

The Muppet

No I dont tyhink he will improve their team. The squad yes the first team no.

Soccer is a team game and if there is friction between teammates the team as a whole will suffer. If you could buy success Leeds would be winning everything now instead being in the state they are. Newcastle back a few years are another example of spending big and winning nothing.

Beckham is a a good player and the foreign game will suit his style but he is not better than Figo.


Thats my opinion you have yours

50Cent

I think he will. Ok you think otherwise. Thats settled then. Were not going around in circles.

Soccer is a team game and if there is friction between teammates the team as a whole will suffer. If you could buy success Leeds would be winning everything now instead being in the state they are. Newcastle back a few years are another example of spending big and winning nothing.

but where the hell did that come from about the friction and stuff?

Real Madrid buy the best the world has to offer. Theyve just done it again. Not ****ing Leeds or Newcastle. Newcastle and Leeds dont have the power Real have. Never will.

The Muppet

The point about friction was reported comments from some of the current Inter team during the transfer saga. Raul and Figo
did not welcome david with open arms if media reports are correct.

The second point was about buying success . I said that you cannot guarentee success by buying the Dearest players and I used the two premiership clubs as examples of spening large with very lite to show fro it in the silverware department.

Now do you understand all that? Because I dont like going round in circles . It Makes me Dizzy:)

50Cent

if media reports are correct.

IF my ass gets too big...ill crush the world.

I never said you could guarantee Success by buying the dearest players. i said you can if your Real Madrid buying the best players.

Understand?

Sand

Far too much for one player - Its just the PSG crowd haggling, if United have any sense theyll tell them where to get off and if PSG come to their senses grand, and if they dont equally grand you can get yourself a Duff ( or even a Viera ? ) and still have change left over for a few good signings for that sort of money. If United keep on paying silly fees for players clubs will keep on demanding them when they see United show up. Its not a case of United not having the money, its a case of not spending it stupidly like Leeds did.

Was Woodgate 21 million less of a player than Ferdinand? Would you need 3 woodgates to give you the same defensivie capabilities as one Ferdinand?

This sort of "If Player X is worth 25 million then player Y is worth 30 million" is garbage tbh. You pay what it takes to get a player you need/want, and if you can get an equivalent player for cheaper you buy them instead.

And as for Real, theres going to come a point when theyll have the 12 best attacking players on the planet vying for 5 slots, leading to 7 pissed off superstars who could be making themselves legends elsewhere. I dont understand why Ronaldhino would be willing to join Real in that case - they clearly have no place or value on him if theyre going to instantly farm him back out to PSG:|

The Muppet

i said you can if your Real Madrid buying the best players.

Do You honestly believe Beckham is one of the best players in the world. If he is that good why did Fergie Play Ollie in his place in the majority of important games last year and why did he sell him.

You my friend believe the hype built up by the media abot becks.
He is a good player and was a great servant to man u .

I dont think we are going to agree on this point and to save the others here from reading our posts going round in circles that is this is my last contribution on this particular point.

50Cent

I really do believe Beckham is one of the best players in the world. Obviously not pace and dribbling. But he has other attributes which make him unique such as his passing ability and crossing etc.

LoneGunM@n

I've never been a huge fan of Becks, but I think we got screwed for a meager £25 million. Sure, as a footballer, I don't think he's worth it, but in commercial terms it's nothing short of high way robbery!! It was reported in todays mirror that 8,000 becks jerseys were offloaded in record time!! Real are already well on there way to blazing past the £25m paid out!!

When the story broke on tv, I had this horrible feeling that he's going to come back & stick it up our arses.

IMHO, United will never be able to compete with Real Madrid for 2 reasons:

1) Real is a football team owned exclusively by the supporters, who want all profits invested solely in the club!
Man Utd is a business, with shareholders worried about their dividends!

2) Real have a president like Florentino Perez. I heard that when he entered his name into the race for the presidency, he promised the signing of 1 major player each year, starting with Luis Figo. He approached Figo and offered him £1 million to sign a contract that if he became president that he would sign for Real, if he didn't become president, Figo could keep the mill. Figo signed, never thinking Perez would ever become president. He did, Figo is a Real player.
At the time he became president, Real were in debt in excess of £200 mill. Perez approached the Madrid City Council & informed them that Real were in dire straits & it was in Madrid's best interest to keep Real going & to do so they must rezone the area that Real's training ground [the Ciudad Deportivo] was built as residential. They did, Real now had no debts and guess what they did with the excess? They built a new training ground that is 10 times bigger & with the rest they bought Zidane.

So in conclusion, United will never be able to rival Real because Real's 'Shareholders' want all profits ploughed back into the team & because they have a finacial wizz in command who has the fincial weight to bully the government into backing his deals!!

Imagine Perz as the president instead of Peter Kenyon. Admitedly he is a far sight better than Martin Edwards, the man who was such a huge man utd fan than he wanted to offload his shares to Michael Knighton [who ""killed" Carlisle United (While he was the owner.) He left the club in extreme debt, which will take a number of years to put right. Carlisle United still cannot get credit card facilities, as no banks will "touch them with a bargepole"."]

LoneGunM@n

Damn my head hurts after that!!:D

p.pete

You've said a lot of what I believe about how football clubs are run there PhatFiesta. I wouldn't go so far as to call the Real commander a financial whiz - but it is great for a club when they are owned by a very rich fan.

Flotation for most clubs has been nightmare with the exception of Man United and I hope Liverpool never consider it. It leaves you open to all kinds of vulnerabilities. Loose an important CL match and it is a bitter pill for shareholders to swallow. Win that match and get a round further and loose and it is still a bitter pill despite the financial mathematics being improved by several million. Spend tens of millions on a player and there is grumbles, sell one of your best players for tens of millions and still there is grumbles.

Agreed, ManU were ripped off on the Beckam deal. I think that stems from Madrid having them buy the balls with Becks refusal to sign for Barca after ManU basically said he was on his way. Lets face it, Madrid are well used to paying 30 and 40 million for players and Becks should have commanded the same fee. Regardless of his worth on the football pitch.

LoneGunM@n

I wouldn't go so far as to call the Real commander a financial whiz

in response to the above p, check out this webpage [especially the piece on his purchase of ACS

perez the fincial whiz

I wouldn't mind having a few of his financial smarts

The Muppet

Hi Phats

I agree 100 % with you but on the becks issue if given the choice between 25m now or nothing in 2 years i still think utd made the right decision.

p.pete

25 mil now is always going to be better than nothing in 2 years, but if the deal hadn't of been arsed up the figure would have been a lot higher. Would have been very easy to make more money on the deal.

Seaneh

Originally posted by The Muppet
No I dont tyhink he will improve their team. The squad yes the first team no.

Soccer is a team game and if there is friction between teammates the team as a whole will suffer. If you could buy success Leeds would be winning everything now instead being in the state they are. Newcastle back a few years are another example of spending big and winning nothing.

Beckham is a a good player and the foreign game will suit his style but he is not better than Figo.


Thats my opinion you have yours

Reminds me of Inter...

Ronaldo, Recoba, Vieri, Crespo, Cannavaro, little turkish fecker,

all of those players cost far too much money.

LoneGunM@n

A more realistic figure for Becks would have been £25m [@ least] for control of his image rights & £15m for his playability.

Like him or loathe him, he had a sweet right boot!!

We'll certainly miss it, 'cause it was worth a goal a game.

In a business sense, Utd have lost out big time, especially in the Oriental market. I think it was stated by the Chinese Supporters club that over 25% of members would leave if Becks signed for Real!! That's a lot of people and more importantly a lot of forgone investment by way of merchandise.

In relation to Ronaldinho [the real subject of this thread], IMHO he is a great player with great potential and after all it's about football anyway, not money. He is a very exciting player to watch.
I relation to the comments about his performance in the Confederations Cup, the full Brazilian team did not play to it's potential & if the team is playing badly, in the majority of cases, the individual players are so too!!

Ponster

Just thought I'd inject a PSG supporters opinion

Here in Paris no one wants to see Ronaldinho move to ANY club.

PSG finished 11th last season I think and if it wasn't for Ronaldinho then there's a good chance that they'd be starting this season a division down. Fans are delighted that so much is being asked in the hope that either someone will pay the actual 35M or he'll stay with the club. Either way it's a win-win sitution for the PSG fans.

Last season PSG beat Marsailles 3-0 in an away match, the first time for 17 years. Ronaldinho scored 2, both from taking the ball in his own half and walzing past the defense and the third was a pass he created.

Paris doesn't want to let him go and when I pay my 15€ ticket fee I like to get good value for money so I hope he stays