Queiroz gets Real Job

Sposs

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Bannor

It was never in any doubt.

And I don't think it's a coincidence that Arsene Wenger's contract at Arsenal expires in two years time.

mike65

Its quite a coup for the Mau Utd No 2, but as noted above only for two years! I'm wondering where del Bosque will wash up....?

Mike.

tomED

i have a feeling man u will miss him big time....

Fergie doesnt seem to have the team building skills anymore - Im only guessin that by the ****e thats comin out in the papers.... but who ever believes whats in the papers?

cournioni

There is no doubt that Queiroz was one of the main reasons behind United's success this year. As was Steve McClaren in '99. It will be interesting to see who will replace him. I'm sure whoever it is, they'll be just as competant.

Sposs

I don't think it'll make much of a difference,Fergie is the main man at utd remember;

Brian Kidd was behind all the success;
Steve Mc Claren was behind all the success;
Carlos Queiroz was behind all the success;

I think its obvious at this stage that its all fergie.

50Cent

TomEd said:

Fergie doesnt seem to have the team building skills anymore - Im only guessin that by the ****e thats comin out in the papers.... but who ever believes whats in the papers?

For the love of God, will you please justify this ridiculous statement? :mad:

GuanYin

Originally posted by 50Cent
TomEd said:


For the love of God, will you please justify this ridiculous statement? :mad:

Its an opinion around Manchester that Fegies coaching skills are abysmal. Utd seem to do badly when they lack a quality coach.

Sposs

Originally posted by sykeirl
Its an opinion around Manchester that Fegies coaching skills are abysmal. Utd seem to do badly when they lack a quality coach.

Once again Explain???? Utd do abysmal with the most sucessful coach in their history.??????

Back up your point with facts or concede you have't a clue what your talking about.

GuanYin

Originally posted by Sposs
Once again Explain???? Utd do abysmal with the most sucessful coach in their history.??????

Back up your point with facts or concede you have't a clue what your talking about.

I'll back up my points when you learn to read properly and lose the aggresive tone. I never said Utd do abysmal so don't put words in my mouth.

Fergeson is the most sucessful manager arguably, but not the most successful coach. There is a HUGE difference between being a good manager and being a good coach.


I said Fergie is believed to be an abysmal coach. He has always had a top coach as an assistant. Many Utd players have said that the teams performance stagnated for a period a season or so ago when fergi took over coaching himself in the interim between replacing a coach (McClaren I think.)

Now, if you wish to elaborate or refute, please do in a civil manner and, perhaps, learn to interpret others words properly.

Sposs

My tone was not aggresive,it was merely one of dis-belief at your suggestion that fergie is a crap coach.

Even with Coaches such as Mc Claren etc under him,fergie still retains full control as to what his players are doing during training.

Utd seem to do badly

ok it wasn't absymal but it meant the same thing.

Management Honours
1980 Scottish Premier League - Winner
1982 Scottish League Cup - Winner
1982 Scottish F.A. Cup - Winner
1983 Scottish F.A. Cup - Winner
1983 European Cup Winners Cup - Winner
1984 Scottish F.A. Cup - Winner
1984 Scottish Premier League - Winner
1985 Scottish Premier League - Winner
1986 Scottish FA Cup - Winner
1990 F.A. Cup - Winner
1991 European Cup Winners Cup - Winner
1991 European Super Cup - Winner
1992 League Cup - Winner
1993 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1994 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1994 F.A. Cup - Winner
1996 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1996 F.A. Cup - Winner
1997 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1999 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1999 F.A. Cup - Winner
1999 European Champions League - Winner
1999 Intercontinental Cup - Winner
2000 F.A. Premier League - Winner
2001 F.A. Premier League - Winner
2003 F.A. Premier League - Winner


So where was all these great coaches that won fergie everything all throughout the 80's etc??

GuanYin

Originally posted by Sposs
Even with Coaches such as Mc Claren etc under him,fergie still retains full control as to what his players are doing during training.

Strange you think that. Peter Schmeichel thinks different

Sir Alex Ferguson is not the one who puts a session on, he doesn't coach the team. He has got his own coaches. To be a good coach I think you have to have been a player, at a certain level, at least the level you are going to coach at. You must have an understanding, an inside understanding, of what you are dealing with.

I've seen many comments, articles and interviews with the man himself, stating that he hasn't coached in ages and leaves that to his coaching staff.

Like I said, the "coach-less" patch beween McClaren and Queiroz saw Utd hit a patch of poor team fitness and passing. Their form was abysmal and just about everyone in the business stated that Utd needed to get a new coach. Of course you probably know better.

Originally posted by Sposs

ok it wasn't absymal but it meant the same thing.Read my earliar post with regards the different coaches ^^

No it doesnt mean the same thing.
I'll chose my own words thank you very much, you keep to chosing your own.

And I have read your posts, and I tend to read them properly too.

Bannor

Originally posted by Sposs
Once again Explain???? Utd do abysmal with the most sucessful coach in their history.??????

Back up your point with facts or concede you have't a clue what your talking about.

Allow me ...

While Brian Kidd was first team coach at Man Utd the team won four Premiership titles, and finished runners-up the other two seasons.

McClaren coached them to the FA Cup, the Premiership and the Champions League title in his first season. The following two seasons they won the Premiership title. He left Man Utd to begin his managerial career with Middlesbrough in June 2001.

After his departure Man Utd lost their strangle hold on the Premiership they finished third in the Premiership with Alex Ferguson handling all the first team affairs.

Queiroz was appointed first team coach last summer. The team won the Premiership again this year.

Is it just a coincidence that the one season that Ferguson was responsible for the coaching that they finished outside the top two in the Premiership?

Sposs

since you didnt look at my previous post,i'll post this again.


Management Honours
1980 Scottish Premier League - Winner
1982 Scottish League Cup - Winner
1982 Scottish F.A. Cup - Winner
1983 Scottish F.A. Cup - Winner
1983 European Cup Winners Cup - Winner
1984 Scottish F.A. Cup - Winner
1984 Scottish Premier League - Winner
1985 Scottish Premier League - Winner
1986 Scottish FA Cup - Winner
1990 F.A. Cup - Winner
1991 European Cup Winners Cup - Winner
1991 European Super Cup - Winner
1992 League Cup - Winner
1993 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1994 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1994 F.A. Cup - Winner
1996 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1996 F.A. Cup - Winner
1997 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1999 F.A. Premier League - Winner
1999 F.A. Cup - Winner
1999 European Champions League - Winner
1999 Intercontinental Cup - Winner
2000 F.A. Premier League - Winner
2001 F.A. Premier League - Winner
2003 F.A. Premier League - Winner


So where was all these great coaches that won fergie everything all throughout the 80's etc??

Is it just a coincidence that the one season that Ferguson was responsible for the coaching that they finished outside the top two in the Premiership?

And is it a coincidence that brian kidd went on to relegate Blackburn,that Steve mc claren has a mid-table team that'll never win anything and that Carlos Queiroz no matter what he wins will be sacked in two years by Real Madrid?


Surely they should be able to,with their brillant coaching powers turn a team into title contenders like they did with Man Utd.

GuanYin

Originally posted by Sposs
since you didnt look at my previous post,i'll post this again.

Pot to kettle......

Originally posted by Sposs

And is it a coincidence that brian kidd went on to relegate Blackburn,that Steve mc claren has a mid-table team that'll never win anything and that Carlos Queiroz no matter what he wins will be sacked in two years by Real Madrid?


Surely they should be able to,with their brillant coaching powers turn a team into title contenders like they did with Man Utd.

"Since you didn't look at my previous post, I'll post this again"

Originally posted by sykeirl

There is a HUGE difference between being a good manager and being a good coach.

Jeez....

Sheesh!

Sposs

There is a HUGE difference between being a good manager and being a good coach.

such as?

Pot to kettle......

i read your previous posts but they were pointless so i ignored them.

So where was all these great coaches that won fergie everything all throughout the 80's etc??

want to answer my previous post while your at it?

Bannor

Originally posted by Sposs
Carlos Queiroz no matter what he wins will be sacked in two years by Real Madrid?

Just to split a hair - the new manager of Real Madrid has only been given a two season contract so they won't need to sack him in order to appoint Arsene Wenger/another manager when the time comes.

Sposs

Originally posted by Bannor
Just to split a hair - the new manager of Real Madrid has only been given a two season contract so they won't need to sack him in order to appoint Arsene Wenger/another manager when the time comes.

I'll give you that one

GuanYin

Originally posted by Sposs
such as?




i read your previous posts but they were pointless so i ignored them.

Is this the cool bit where you don't back down and get all pedantic as you see your arguement going down the swanny?
Ok cool, I'll play for a bit.

Well for starters Coaches generally dont:

Pick Teams
Decide team tactics
Buy and Sell Players

...among other things...


all rather important things to get right when you are running club.


Coaches do however

Maintain player fitness levels and sharpness.
develop player skills and techniques.


Now, you can go the Spain method where you get in a Head coach and let the club board handle the finances.

Or the fergie method where you get in a top coach and let him handle the coaching level.

Both good approaches. However, if you try to do it all by yourself, like Kidd, McClaren (who isn't really *that* bad) or indeed, Fergie have tried, and you're not up to it, you get found out.


Now if you can't accept that, all I can say is, go away and stop being such a belligerent troll.

Sposs

im hardly a troll,im too good looking



just answer my question,So where was all these great coaches that won fergie everything all throughout the 80's etc??

and i'll leave this agruement to bed.:)

GuanYin

Originally posted by Sposs
im hardly a troll,im too good looking



just answer my question,So where was all these great coaches that won fergie everything all throughout the 80's etc??

and i'll leave this agruement to bed.:)

Dunno who was his assistant or coach when he was in scotland so I can't possibly comment. Can you? Can you say he did the first team coaching? I think personally perhaps he did, but can you confirm this (as its what your arguement is based on)?

To be fair, its rather a trite arguement. Football has changed an awful lot since the 80's. Players need to be fitter and training regimes and methods along with the whole area of sports science (thank you Amz) has been born since then. The levels and standards Fergie may have maintained in scotland (see below) then (if indeed he coached) are nowhere near the level of coaching you would need to keep a team challanging for the title today...especially in england.

Which is my second point. Coaching in scotland in the 80's when a pint after a game was the norm vs. coaching in the premiership at present.

You really think these are comparable to measure a coaches talent?

Sposs

His Coach with Aberdeen was Archie Knox.

Which is my second point. Coaching in scotland in the 80's when a pint after a game was the norm vs. coaching in the premiership at present.

Thats hardly fair to coaches in the 80's, and he did win the Cup winners cup with them in 1983 , so the standard of the whole of europe must have been poor?

This isn't really going anywhere so i'll thank you sykeirl for making me do feck all work today and leave it at that.

GuanYin

Originally posted by Sposs
[B
Thats hardly fair to coaches in the 80's, and he did win the Cup winners cup with them in 1983 , so the standard of the whole of europe must have been poor?

This isn't really going anywhere so i'll thank you sykeirl for making me do feck all work today and leave it at that. [/B]

Its not unfair either. Its just true
Its just the way the sport went with money and all.

No worries, was my pleasure. I did lots of work today...just so you know

50Cent

This is a crock of ****e. Ferguson is a brilliant manager. That includes his coaching skills and everything else a football manager does. He is the ultimate boss. He hires his staff. He is the superior one.

GuanYin

Originally posted by 50Cent
This is a crock of ****e. Ferguson is a brilliant manager. That includes his coaching skills and everything else a football manager does. He is the ultimate boss. He hires his staff. He is the superior one.

I just love how Man Utd supporters are totally blinded with irrational biased passion when it comes to the red devils.

cournioni

Originally posted by sykeirl
Its an opinion around Manchester that Fegies coaching skills are abysmal. Utd seem to do badly when they lack a quality coach.

Ferguson picks the United coaches. What seems to be wrong with that? The man is the manager and he does what he does best.

50Cent

Jesus Christ how the **** is what i said biased?

Look at it this way you silly ****...

Hes the manager. He makes all the calls with regards staff, players and everything which involves the team. He makes all the decisions football wise. He is brilliant at it. The man came from nothing ultimately and has done bloody brilliantly. Obviously you cant accept this.

GuanYin

Originally posted by 50Cent
Jesus Christ how the **** is what i said biased?

Look at it this way you silly ****...

Hes the manager. He makes all the calls with regards staff, players and everything which involves the team. He makes all the decisions football wise. He is brilliant at it. The man came from nothing ultimately and has done bloody brilliantly. Obviously you cant accept this.

Resorting to name calling is how you make your point? Is this how you win all your arguements? Drown people out with abuse?

I never said once anywhere in any of my posts that he wasn't a brilliant manager. I never once anywhere put down his management skills. I never said that he doesn't make brilliant football decisions. Nor did I suggest that he doesn't hire all his staff.

What I did say, is that he is not a good coach. He has no modern coaching experience on the training ground and for the season that he took over coaching Utd suffered. If you wish me to praise him so you can feel snug, I will say that at least he realised this and hired an excellent coach in Queiroz.

Now why is this point too hard for you to accept without offending with petty name calling and immature abuse?

GuanYin

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Ferguson picks the United coaches. What seems to be wrong with that? The man is the manager and he does what he does best.

I never argued that for a second.

Samba

Queiroz was the one responsible for the MAJOR improvement in Uniteds defence this year (it was fergie who funked up selling Stam because of his pride) . i would imagine that at this stage Fergie takes a comfy chair in the back and observes and gets up when needs be.......think about it, he has been in the game so long now, that I would find it hard to believe that he is talentless when it comes to Coaching and that he does nothing and simply lets his assistants do all the work.


On another note, don't always believe everything you read, interviews, quotes and comments can very often be taken out of context and formed in to new words.....

kmart6

Ah he deserved it he was a greet help at United.Atleast Becks has a friend over there now.Queiroz is also very good friends with Figo and has said he will play the two of them in the one team